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Arizona has a 1st year coach and exceeding expectations. Not sure of the talent comparison between their team and ours though.
Arizona’s schedule has been terrible..the best teams they have played were Tennessee (loss) and Illinois (win)! Every other team they have played has been awful! If we had that same schedule we would have 1 maybe 2 losses too. Just something to look at. I personally think Arizona is super overrated
 
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I mean didn’t this team just go something like 11-18 a couple years ago w/ Roy Williams as the HC? Some of you guys need to take a step back. Hubert inherited a UNC program that was in a bit of a downward spiral. Let the man get a couple of his recruiting classes, which look to be pretty good by they way, and a couple years coaching under his belt before you start calling to can the man.
It has nothing to do with the record, at least not to me. It has to do with the complete lack of passion in several of the games. We absolutely quit in 3 games, and that should NEVER happen. The bizarre comments that Hubert makes are a concern to me. Sorry, but I can't get around some of the idiotic things he says, and I have no clue what he's trying to accomplish when he says these things.
 
It has nothing to do with the record, at least not to me. It has to do with the complete lack of passion in several of the games. We absolutely quit in 3 games, and that should NEVER happen. The bizarre comments that Hubert makes are a concern to me. Sorry, but I can't get around some of the idiotic things he says, and I have no clue what he's trying to accomplish when he says these things.
I get it. Again, I wasn't a fan of the hire, but I also think now that he has the job and has shown some recruiting chops, he needs to be at least allowed a few seasons to get the program back to what they should be.
 
Can't be mad at Hubert for that one.
No, but it can be used as an example of a blueblood hiring by resume instead of heart. I'm certainly not mad at Hubert for accepting the job or even going after it. I don't feel bad for him though. He's making a lot of money to do what he does and he knew the expectations going in. Doesn't really matter if they are fair or not, he knew that was part of the job. The problem is how the search was handled or more specifically, how Roy handled it. Hopefully Hubert can improve before it gets to a point where firing him actually becomes a legitimate question.
 
"In defense of Hubert, one of the things he says is important to him with regards to who he recruits, is that he wants guys that want to be here ... not guys who are using UNC as a stopover on their way to the pros. Roy brought in guys that were using UNC as a quick stop on their way to the pros"

The above got me thinking in a bit of a different direction. Hubert since taking over has told any and everyone that would listen that he wanted guys that wanted to be at UNC, how much he wants them to have that same UNC experience that he and his staff enjoyed as players.

But look at the players, Bacot came in as a freshman thinking he could be a one and doner, his head was more on the NBA than UNC. How can he really want to be at UNC having not only looked to skip to the NBA after last season but as well not denying that he expects to be in the next NBA draft, hard to argue that UNC is where his head is.

Love, came in as a balleyhood 5 star, was absolutely thinking he would be 1 & Done yet the NBA was not interested, he fullyt expects to be in the next draft as well, just as with Bacot, you have to ask is his head in being in the next NBA draft or playing for UNC as his current dream?

Garcia, like Bacot, wanted to be in the last draft but didn't see the NBA telling him they wanted him, he settled to come to UNC but is that where his head really is?

I can't help but question how passionate these guys are for UNC, I suggest their NBA passion is more important that passion for UNC. Hubert is preaching the passion to be at UNC but if these guys don't really want to be at UNC, would rather be some place else (the NBA) then I don't think Hubert is going to be able to convince them to have the same UNC passion he has. It is like being in church Sunday morning and hoping the preacher is not long winded so you do not have to miss your NFL kick off, you are not listening to the preacher if you are watch watching but you still tell him how great that sermon was as you leave and what you are praying is you catch mostly green lights so you can be in front of the tube by 1pm. Promise ya, that preacher wants you more in to Jesus than the NFL, Hubert needs his kids more in to UNC than the NBA, you can not have 1 foot in and 1 foot out of the UNC door.
Hey DSouth. I think we're saying the same thing. Perhaps I'm mistaken.
 
Hubert inherited a UNC program that was in a bit of a downward spiral. Let the man get a couple of his recruiting classes, which look to be pretty good by they way, and a couple years coaching under his belt before you start calling to can the man.
Fair point.

I'm a little worried about next year's recruits, though. I like the people we signed, but feel like we're going to need more.

Sure, Hubert did great in the portal, and maybe he can again. But I expect it to be harder next time. Winning would make it easier, so I suggest we do a lot of winning.

Of course if Armando, Caleb and Dawson all come back, we'll be fine.
 
Fair point.

I'm a little worried about next year's recruits, though. I like the people we signed, but feel like we're going to need more.

Sure, Hubert did great in the portal, and maybe he can again. But I expect it to be harder next time. Winning would make it easier, so I suggest we do a lot of winning.

Of course if Armando, Caleb and Dawson all come back, we'll be fine.
Portal will be littered with 4 and 5 star kids who think they need to get more burn, including at UNC. This portal deal is just getting started.
 
Arizona’s schedule has been terrible..the best teams they have played were Tennessee (loss) and Illinois (win)! Every other team they have played has been awful! If we had that same schedule we would have 1 maybe 2 losses too. Just something to look at. I personally think Arizona is super overrated
Spot on.
Portal will be littered with 4 and 5 star kids who think they need to get more burn, including at UNC. This portal deal is just getting started.
Yeah, more and more men entering the portal every year. The Stargate giveth and it taketh away. Coaches must adjust accordingly. It’s harder being a coach today than it’s ever been. At least the salaries are more than commensurate for the added difficulty.
 
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Makes me wonder what “fans” would have said about Dean if he coached in the age of social media.
 
They are better then the past few years already. Manek & Garcia probably not here for this year either, and a real rough year was on deck. It ain't perfect, but it ain't the days of just reload with a couple pre season 1st/2nd team All-Americans to guide the new 5 stars.
 
Portal will be littered with 4 and 5 star kids who think they need to get more burn, including at UNC. This portal deal is just getting started.
Oh, I agree. But Hubert seemed more ready to deal with the portal than a lot of coaches. I don't think any coaches will be caught napping this time.
 
Calipari also had at least 5 nba players on that team including Wall, Cousins & Bledsoe so it’s a bad comparison.. but you seem to know an a lot about Kentucky
Why did he have 5 nba recruits and we don’t? Because he had better assistants that can actually recruit.. quit taking up for Hubert.
 
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Not to mention, he's referring to slimy's first season at Kentucky.... after slimy had been coaching for over 15 years! Cal's first season at UMass he went 10-18.
That’s Umass. This is UNC. Should be able to recruit and win a little easier here.. Everyone can sit here and make excuses all they want but Hubert was not a home run hire and his assistants are just as bad. No reason why heels shouldn’t be pulling in 5 stars consistently and being in the top 15 consistently. Let’s not compare Roy the last 3 years to Hubert now. Everyone starts to go downhill eventually which is why Roy retired.

Carolina is not a place where we should have to wait a few years to be relevant again. We should be relevant every year like all other big programs. We haven’t been relevant since 2018-2019 and this is the worst season yet. Other years were injury plagued or had a lot of games we could’ve easily won but lost. Never have I seen 3 blowout losses before mid season.
 
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there is no way hubert gets less than five years. no matter what his record, no matter what state the program is in, he get five or six years. he is too well-liked and his relationships in the program too strong to fire him. (just my opinion....)
 
there is no way hubert gets less than five years. no matter what his record, no matter what state the program is in, he get five or six years. he is too well-liked and his relationships in the program too strong to fire him. (just my opinion....)
Sadly I agree with you but too well liked shouldn’t be a reason to keep coaching.
 
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there is no way hubert gets less than five years. no matter what his record, no matter what state the program is in, he get five or six years. he is too well-liked and his relationships in the program too strong to fire him. (just my opinion....)
If he is failing as a coach and the program is stuck in mediocrity then this is not acceptable and Bubba should be fired. AD’s lose their jobs all over the country for that type of mentality.
 
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LOL. Hubert Davis..............one big ass mistake. He played an ineligible player. He talks like he's delusional. He's lost this team. What a friggin joke. Thanks, Roy!!
 
He also committed a recruiting violation (although minor) last week by mentioning Simeon Wilcher by name. I was shocked he had not been informed by Carolina’s PR team that you can’t do this or that he didn’t know already.
 
He also committed a recruiting violation (although minor) last week by mentioning Simeon Wilcher by name. I was shocked he had not been informed by Carolina’s PR team that you can’t do this or that he didn’t know already.
I'm glad the NCAA has saved us from the disastrous consequences of saying a name.
 
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there is no way hubert gets less than five years. no matter what his record, no matter what state the program is in, he get five or six years. he is too well-liked and his relationships in the program too strong to fire him. (just my opinion....)
I agree. And there's no reason he should get fewer than 5 years, unless he bombs.

We're in the running to finish 2nd or 3rd in the ACC with a 6-8 seed in the NCAAT. That's hardly bombing. And there's no reason to think he'll bomb next year, either.

A more realistic concern is if that turns out to be his ceiling. If we aren't competing for #1 in the ACC, and if the best we can do in the NCAAT is a middling seed, there will be a lot of folks unwilling to accept "merely good" when we are used to being contenders on a regular basis.
 
I agree. And there's no reason he should get fewer than 5 years, unless he bombs.
What is bombing to you? Losing record, missing the tournament a couple of times?

A more realistic concern is if that turns out to be his ceiling. If we aren't competing for #1 in the ACC, and if the best we can do in the NCAAT is a middling seed, there will be a lot of folks unwilling to accept "merely good" when we are used to being contenders on a regular basis.
This is my biggest concern. The expectation should be putting together championship level teams every few years. That's what bluebloods should expect. S16s every year, with the occasional E8 and maybe even a FF shouldn't be good enough. If that's not expected, we become Indiana or maybe UCLA.
 
What is bombing to you? Losing record, missing the tournament a couple of times?


This is my biggest concern. The expectation should be putting together championship level teams every few years. That's what bluebloods should expect. S16s every year, with the occasional E8 and maybe even a FF shouldn't be good enough. If that's not expected, we become Indiana or maybe UCLA.
I get that totally, but he did take over a program who was just that the last two years. One horrendous year and the other middling 1st round blowout.

And if he doesn't reel in Manek and Garcia from the portal, looked like non competitive this year as well.
 
He also committed a recruiting violation (although minor) last week by mentioning Simeon Wilcher by name. I was shocked he had not been informed by Carolina’s PR team that you can’t do this or that he didn’t know already.
Not knowing a basic rule that was in place the entire time you were working for Roy is embarrassing.
 
Not knowing a basic rule that was in place the entire time you were working for Roy is embarrassing.
Roy had plenty of similar minor mistakes in violations, many, many more at Kansas and here. That is all that it is, nothing to see there. Unless you are looking for it, then "what the hell" never happened before him.
 
Roy had plenty of similar minor mistakes in violations, many, many more at Kansas and here. That is all that it is, nothing to see there. Unless you are looking for it, then "what the hell" never happened before him.
Out of curiosity, what was Roy's last minor recruiting violation?

I remember us having to report a minor infraction in the fall of 2005 because Felton and May were back on campus and interacted with recruit Iman Shumpert in pick-up ball and at the football game. But I never attributed that mistake directly to Roy and I think that rule has subsequently been changed so it is no longer a violation.
 
I get that totally, but he did take over a program who was just that the last two years. One horrendous year and the other middling 1st round blowout.
So wouldn't that make it even more urgent that he do something? If we hang around in mediocre land for five years with him, then that would be seven years of mediocrity. That's hard to come back from. I don't see why he would need more than three years max to show us what he can do. If we aren't a final four type team by then, we should move on if we want to stay a blueblood.
 
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Out of curiosity, what was Roy's last minor recruiting violation?

I remember us having to report a minor infraction in the fall of 2005 because Felton and May were back on campus and interacted with recruit Iman Shumpert in pick-up ball and at the football game. But I never attributed that mistake directly to Roy and I think that rule has subsequently been changed so it is no longer a violation.
The giving graduation watches at Kansas fits, but a bit more, there were other acknowledgements of lesser similar very minor slips, which are very common. Nothing at all major just like this.
 
So wouldn't that make it even more urgent that he do something? If we hang around in mediocre land for five years with him, then that would be seven years of mediocrity. That's hard to come back from. I don't see why he would need more than three years max to show us what he can do. If we aren't a final four type team by then, we should move on if we want to stay a blueblood.
Yes, but it is not a instant flip the switch, they were struggling when a new coach entered. College, pro, or any institution for that matter, you do not want to become that organization with a revolving door. Some patience is needed, to assess the course.

Very different dynamic in building a team, let alone a program from year to year nowadays.
 
Today is another potential trap game.

Pomeroy rates Wake an "A" team at home. Which I gather is comparable to a quad 1 rating.

So far, Wake's only home loss was vs Duke, 76-64.

They trounced FSU at home, 76-54.

Syracuse forced them into overtime, but Wake still won, 77-74.
 
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there is no way hubert gets less than five years. no matter what his record, no matter what state the program is in, he get five or six years. he is too well-liked and his relationships in the program too strong to fire him. (just my opinion....)
So if the UNC basketball program tumbles to the lower rungs of the ACC over the next 2 or 3 years, you don't think Hubert will be gone? I think you're wrong about that. No way he lasts if that happens. In fact, I don't think he's guaranteed anything past next season. Doesn't matter how well liked he is.
 
there is no way hubert gets less than five years. no matter what his record, no matter what state the program is in, he get five or six years. he is too well-liked and his relationships in the program too strong to fire him. (just my opinion....)
Sadly, this. People underestimate how much being well-liked goes for these "good ol' boy" type programs. People do nothing but slobber over how nice a guy Hubert is. Unless he manages to pull an '02 Doherty (even I think he's competent enough to not do that), I think this is exactly how it will go.

People who keep quoting the 2-3 year mark are likely going to be extremely disappointed. I assume they think because of Doherty. but that was a different circumstances and different time, from what I've read. It's my understanding that he was not well-liked and alienated a lot of guys within the program.

Regardless if he stays at the same level we are now or even gets a little worse, you'll see his buddies in the media and the alumni pull every excuse under the book to absolve him, whether it be racism or criticizing fans for being impatient and claiming he still needs more time. You already see some people doing that stuff now.
 
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