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On another note Roy had a sit down with stokes, and told stokes that a big man led the team in scoring every yr he has been there. Stokes perked up and payed close attention after Roy said that. I like that kids upside, and he plays with a bit of nasty. He just needs to keep his head against taller players.
 
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No one mentioning that jarred Vanderbilt is coming to LNWR. I know it's supposedly a long shot but he is attending so we must have some shot.
 
Butterbutt44 said:
No one mentioning that jarred Vanderbilt is coming to LNWR. I know it's supposedly a long shot but he is attending so we must have some shot.
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Do you have a source or article on that? Haven't seen anyone saying he was visiting. I do know we visited him in home.

Roy's been on him since June, but IMO, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
 
truetarheelraider0806 said:
On another note Roy had a sit down with stokes, and told stokes that a big man led the team in scoring every yr he has been there. Stokes perked up and payed close attention after Roy said that. I like that kids upside, and he plays with a bit of nasty. He just needs to keep his head against taller players.
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Are you sure Roy said this? Because that's incorrect.

Paige led the team in scoring in 2013-14 and 2014-15. And McCants did in 2003-04.
 
Green C14 said:
Question for you Dave:
Do you think the ability to knock down the mid range jumper is a more valuable quality than height and jumping ability in a big man? I'd really like it if they could all be 7 footers and do both but that doesn't seem to be an option.
I like Huffman, Brooks, and Stokes and I'd take all three today if they would commit but if I can have only two Brooks would be my first choice and Huffman would be next. Might be different if we already had a stud big on board to join Tony next year.
Maybe I'm just tired of hearing poor Kennedy being criticized as a "below the rim" big.
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Great question Green, actually I prefer a big man with length, that plays physical, and elevates quickly more so than mid range jump shooting. A like that can at least defend and get some blocked or alter shots and rebound. That is actually why I like Huffman, maybe more than some. Ed Davis as a freshman had very little range, he was a stick back or dunk guy but he was very import in our title run doing just that. I like what I see in Stokes but he is that mid range guy that does not play above the rim even at power forward height but I do think his football aggression would make him an asset early on.

But in Brooks, looks to me more like a guy that may take longer to be able to produce, I see him as the least physical guy of the 3, others may disagree. Kinda felt like I was going nutzs reading the 6'10" 235 stuff because they kid just did not look that physically ready, in other words he didn't look as big or even close to Tony Bradley. Kid may end up being a Brice Johnson clone for all I know but all I know is what I can see. Huffman is a poor shooter but he is in my view a kid that is willing to play thru contact and easily flush above the rim, a kid that IMO is as good as most of the 4 stars out there. M e, I take Huffman and Stokes and be willing to wait on PJ at this point. Worst case we get those 2 and have Tony & Luke, best case we add PJ to that mix.
 
RoseHeel said:
Are you sure Roy said this? Because that's incorrect.

Paige led the team in scoring in 2013-14 and 2014-15. And McCants did in 2003-04.
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Not picking on you Rose , but if someone else said it would you question it? I support your right to question it because it does sound like hear say.
 
dadika13 said:
I'd take Stokes for the upside. The thought of him after a few years of training with our staff is very fun.
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My main concern with Stokes is his ability to elevate and maybe it is better than what I have been so far able to see. You are extremely high on him so I ask, what have you seen that separates him from let's say Deon as a guy that struggles to play above the rim? I am not challenging your belief in the kid, I am asking what you see that secures that belief.
 
TPFKAPFS said:
My take on Brooks is I love the skill and agility for a Big, but I can't decide how much I love him until I can figure out his measurables. The discrepancy in his listed heights and weights is ridiculous. Huffman is a continuity recruit that has the body & motor and just needs to be coached up to contribute as a Jr. and Sr. I think Stokes will contribute immediately and Brooks will provide spot duty as a freshman as well. Ceilings are hard to figure, but I bet Stokes has the highest unless Brooks fills out and explodes.
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Well right off the bat, I totally agree! Ceilings at this point are extremely hard to affix because it is not about the size of the dog in the fight, it is about the size of the fight in the dog. Hansbourgh was not the most skilled guy but the size of the fight in that dog was off the charts. Hans punished defenders with high motor and playing very physical, playing up and thru contact. I see some of that in Huffman, certainly not to the level of Tyler, I really see a freshman Alex in him and strongly feel we can use that.
 
DSouthr said:
My main concern with Stokes is his ability to elevate and maybe it is better than what I have been so far able to see. You are extremely high on him so I ask, what have you seen that separates him from let's say Deon as a guy that struggles to play above the rim? I am not challenging your belief in the kid, I am asking what you see that secures that belief.
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I wouldn't say I'm extremely high on him, just higher on his upside than Brooks.

I say this because when I watch Stokes I see skills there that I didn't expect from a guy who has never put basketball first in his life. He has real range from 15-18 feet and he knows how to finish with contact, something that usually takes a while to develop. He is so much more than just a body, he has real skills as a big man and that base he already has makes me think our staff can do wonders with him over the years.

Nothing against Brooks, I'd love to have him as well.
 
Great exchange guys!!
It's hard to have these discussions comparing potential recruits in fear of sounding like you're being critical of one or the other but you're pulling it off.

I'll admit, maybe already have, that I've only seen the compilation highlight videos on Huffman, Stokes, and Brooks as they haven't played on TV much (probably due to not being recruited by Dook). Based on that I haven't been as impressed by Stokes as most of you guys. I haven't seen him even touch the rim mustless dunk. Couldn't agree more with his physicality, motor, and midrange game though.

Huffman also seems to have that physical quality that we could sure use. It seemed to me in one of the two videos of him I've seen that he was heavier in one but appeared trimmer and more athletic in the 2nd. Has he lost weight or is it this tiny screen I'm using?
Brooks looked raw at times but definitely reminded me of a young Brice. I'll take all three but PJ and or Knox are game changers not only on the court but on future recruiting as well.

Bamba I've only seen twice but for entire games at least. Kid has more potential than anyone but Carter that I've seen in this class but Knox would be my choice between the two if they are to only play one year. Bamba has good hands and handles passes well but when his arms are fully extended he wasn't able to handle rebounds due to a current lack of strength. In the long run those incredibly long arms will be one of his greatest assets but he needs more than a year of work in the weight room to get there.

These are my humble impressions and should not be seen as more meaningful than that.
 
dadika13 said:
I wouldn't say I'm extremely high on him, just higher on his upside than Brooks.

I say this because when I watch Stokes I see skills there that I didn't expect from a guy who has never put basketball first in his life. He has real range from 15-18 feet and he knows how to finish with contact, something that usually takes a while to develop. He is so much more than just a body, he has real skills as a big man and that base he already has makes me think our staff can do wonders with him over the years.

Nothing against Brooks, I'd love to have him as well.
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Solid reply, Stokes brother seems to feel his lil brother is better than he was so that is a strong thing to say, his brother was really good. I guess what I am struggling with is his ability to finish thru contact, I don't see that as you do. I would like to actually and would adjust my expects for up well up if I could see that. But from what I have seen I do feel better about his upside as well as current ability to fill a role earlier than I do about Brooks.

When talking about Stokes, I kinda keep going back to Alex and Deon recruiting class. I see some Alex in Huffman and I see a lot of Deon in Stokes. What folks may or may not recall is that in their freshman seasons, Roy kinda went more with Alex than he did Deon because Alex was more physical inside the paint.
 
Green C14 said:
Great exchange guys!!
It's hard to have these discussions comparing potential recruits in fear of sounding like you're being critical of one or the other but you're pulling it off.

I'll admit, maybe already have, that I've only seen the compilation highlight videos on Huffman, Stokes, and Brooks as they haven't played on TV much (probably due to not being recruited by Dook). Based on that I haven't been as impressed by Stokes as most of you guys. I haven't seen him even touch the rim mustless dunk. Couldn't agree more with his physicality, motor, and midrange game though.

Huffman also seems to have that physical quality that we could sure use. It seemed to me in one of the two videos of him I've seen that he was heavier in one but appeared trimmer and more athletic in the 2nd. Has he lost weight or is it this tiny screen I'm using?
Brooks looked raw at times but definitely reminded me of a young Brice. I'll take all three but PJ and or Knox are game changers not only on the court but on future recruiting as well.

Bamba I've only seen twice but for entire games at least. Kid has more potential than anyone but Carter that I've seen in this class but Knox would be my choice between the two if they are to only play one year. Bamba has good hands and handles passes well but when his arms are fully extended he wasn't able to handle rebounds due to a current lack of strength. In the long run those incredibly long arms will be one of his greatest assets but he needs more than a year of work in the weight room to get there.

These are my humble impressions and should not be seen as more meaningful than that.
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I try to critique a player rather than being critical a player, critique of a player is just my addressing what I see in his game and/or ability. When I suggest that I prefer one over another, it is just my looking at what I think a kid can become as well as where he is right now.

I really enjoyed your break down on how you see all those fellas, only thing I would suggest is that IMO Ayton is the beast in this class, Carter trails a bit and then Bamba, and Porter. I do think Mitchel Robinson COULD join that group of the elite in this class.
 
DSouthr said:
Solid reply, Stokes brother seems to feel his lil brother is better than he was so that is a strong thing to say, his brother was really good. I guess what I am struggling with is his ability to finish thru contact, I don't see that as you do. I would like to actually and would adjust my expects for up well up if I could see that. But from what I have seen I do feel better about his upside as well as current ability to fill a role earlier than I do about Brooks.

When talking about Stokes, I kinda keep going back to Alex and Deon recruiting class. I see some Alex in Huffman and I see a lot of Deon in Stokes. What folks may or may not recall is that in their freshman seasons, Roy kinda went more with Alex than he did Deon because Alex was more physical inside the paint.
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So I think that's where we may differ. I see more Deon in Huffman and I don't really see Stokes as either of them. Huffman actually has some solid post moves (nice little jump hook and turn around). The one thing he doesn't have is Deon's footwork, which by the end of his time here was just unreal. Hard to teach that.

As far as finishing thru contact, I can only comment on the one game I saw him play and he did that 2-3 times. I'm no where near an expert on this though since I've only seen him play once. He may have struggled with it in other games and I just simply didn't see it.

I see Stokes as a poor man's JMM. I understand JMM was a top 10 prospect, but he struggled when he got here. They both have the little step out ability to face up and they'll both struggle some frosh year.

Good topic. I'll be happy if they're battling in practices next season.
 
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Based on that I haven't been as impressed by Stokes as most of you guys. I haven't seen him even touch the rim mustless dunk.
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Can somebody with access to it please post the video of Stokes destroying a backboard for Mr. Green to see?
 
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I'm so limited by not being able to see these guys play in person and having to rely on short best-of videos. They all look like future HOF'ers on those things.
The couple of tv games I saw Ayton play in he was very passive and since he wasn't interested in us anyway I probably held that against him as well.

Ned Cota said:
Can somebody with access to it please post the video of Stokes destroying a backboard for Mr. Green to see?
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Thanks for reminding of that Ned, I have seen it and forgotten it.
I stand corrected and plead guilty of being too damn old to keep up. All help is greatly appreciated!
 
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I'm so limited by not being able to see these guys play in person and having to rely on short best-of videos. They all look like future HOF'ers on those things.
The couple of tv games I saw Ayton play in he was very passive and since he wasn't interested in us anyway I probably held that against him as well.



Thanks for reminding of that Ned, I have seen it and forgotten it.
I stand corrected and plead guilty of being too damn old to keep up. All help is greatly appreciated!
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Haha all good buddy. Man I hope we get a couple of these kids and a heavy hitter. This class could be amazing if we do.
 
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Yes I am sure Roy Williams said this; I read it in a premium article. I won't say which one out of respect, but I am certain Roy said it, and stokes was definetly listening after that.
 
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OK, so finally I got to see this much talked about video of Stoke breaking the back board and what I saw was him having a wide open strong running start when he dunked it. Now I saw Deon do the same thing with a running start, dunk the ball at about the same elevation not breaking the back board, saw kennedy meeks wind mill dunk with no one around him as well but I would not consider either as above the rim players.
 
I don't think anyone is calling Stokes an "above the rim player". He's not. But I've seen him dunk easily without taking a running jump. He's just devoted himself to basketball exclusively and considering that, the strides he's made are pretty amazing.

As for bigs, I hope we can sign at least two. Huffman is supposedly "just a matter of time". UNC is supposedly one of Brooks' "dream schools". Will we sign either? Who the heck knows?
 
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OK, so finally I got to see this much talked about video of Stoke breaking the back board and what I saw was him having a wide open strong running start when he dunked it. Now I saw Deon do the same thing with a running start, dunk the ball at about the same elevation not breaking the back board, saw kennedy meeks wind mill dunk with no one around him as well but I would not consider either as above the rim players.
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Shaq was also not an above the rim player. Neither was Michael Sweetney. Neither was Sean May.
 
HeelFan58 said:
Not picking on you Rose , but if someone else said it would you question it? I support your right to question it because it does sound like hear say.
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The reason i thought it may not have been a Roy quote was b/c the statistics showed otherwise. I had assumed it may have been paraphrased or misunderstood, but I guess Roy made an oversight.

It wasnt because i didnt trust/believe @truetarheelraider0806 , if thats what you meant.
 
RoseHeel said:
The reason i thought it may not have been a Roy quote was b/c the statistics showed otherwise. I had assumed it may have been paraphrased or misunderstood, but I guess Roy made an oversight.

It wasnt because i didnt trust/believe @truetarheelraider0806 , if thats what you meant.
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...or the quote could have just left out a couple of words that accounted for the exceptions.
 
gary-7 said:
...or the quote could have just left out a couple of words that accounted for the exceptions.
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That's why I asked.

I didn't believe, and still don't really believe, that Roy would make such an error on his own team, which is why I wonder if the quote was incorrect or the poster quoted it incorrectly.

Since it's Premium, I guess I won't be able to see myself.
 
truetarheelraider0806 said:
Feels an awful lot like I am being called a liar in a round about way I got,it off of,scoutmimwillmcut and paste that sentence
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Not at all calling you a liar, just wanting to know if this is fact or rumor, in as respectful a manner as I can ask.
 
DSouthr said:
Not at all calling you a liar, just wanting to know if this is fact or rumor, in as respectful a manner as I can ask.
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One point that he brought up to me is that every year he’s coached at UNC, a big man was the leading or second-leading scorer,” Stokes explained. “That one caught my attention. He said that is how it’s been from Tyler Hansbrough to Brice Johnson and many other players. He said that showed that his style of play is going inside first.”


That is straight from the kids mouth. Roy told him a big man has led in scoring I wasn't misquoting at all.
 
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truetarheelraider0806 said:
One point that he brought up to me is that every year he’s coached at UNC, a big man was the leading or second-leading scorer,” Stokes explained. “That one caught my attention. He said that is how it’s been from Tyler Hansbrough to Brice Johnson and many other players. He said that showed that his style of play is going inside first.”


That is straight from the kids mouth. Roy told him a big man has led in scoring I wasn't misquoting at all.
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Actually, I was more wanting confirmation that Vanderbilt was coming for late night. I totally agree, any Tar Heel fan shoud IMO that Roy features his being men every opportunity he can. Of course he learned that from the master in Dean, feed the bigs for easy buckets and maybe even the and 1.

No matter, ya still not lieing, I was just not clear on what you was not lieing about! LOL
 
truetarheelraider0806 said:
One point that he brought up to me is that every year he’s coached at UNC, a big man was the leading or second-leading scorer,” Stokes explained. “That one caught my attention. He said that is how it’s been from Tyler Hansbrough to Brice Johnson and many other players. He said that showed that his style of play is going inside first.”
That is straight from the kids mouth. Roy told him a big man has led in scoring I wasn't misquoting at all.
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This^^^. It's just a matter of those extra words. Roy wasn't misstating anything.
 
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DSouthr said:
Actually, I was more wanting confirmation that Vanderbilt was coming for late night. I totally agree, any Tar Heel fan shoud IMO that Roy features his being men every opportunity he can. Of course he learned that from the master in Dean, feed the bigs for easy buckets and maybe even the and 1.

No matter, ya still not lieing, I was just not clear on what you was not lieing about! LOL
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Yes he is
 
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