Giles Transfers to on-line high school paper factory
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Like I said, I hadn't...to you or her was a cumulative thorough assignment or a paragraph?
Of course online courses are easier and becoming the trend...but some online coursework has other obligations that the student must meet...I'm speaking of college and my experience..discussion boards...responses...assignments..modules ...online isn't just teach yourself and cheat on a exam using Google your notes and a book...
Dsouth...online courses are no show unless it's a hybrid were some weeks it's online and some weeks you do meet in person...at least my experience...I truly believe the "no show" is in regards to the "thought" (yet to be proven)...that unc and the scandal is that kids didn't have to show do any credible work and had grades given and sometimes by a secretary.....I have no opinion to this as I don't know all the facts and await to Ncaa decision and release of findings......this Giles thing is not the same as what the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is being "accused"...imo
I'm not sure I understand. Who wrote a one paragraph paper for their only grade?
So, you know the exact requirements of Giles on-line courses?. You keep saying that since it was approved it must be okay. Who approved it? K?
steat, i said MY experiences and you are correct i dont know, nor does anyone here who is coming up with conspiracy theories and accusations....in every response that i have written, i have clearly said....If it is being done, being put out there for all to see, then i would expect that the decision to make this move was already okay'ed/deemed allowable under admissions and ncaa rules....do you all really think they are just gonna blatantly committ a wrongdoing to get him in school early and it becomes a problem......AND noone has answered whether dsjr or giles committed to unc and decided this would it be so scandalous????
Why would that not be okay? I'm sure you guys have students doing the same. Whether they be athletes or not.
I'm assuming you understand the difference between "online" classes and "paper" classes, correct? The former describes the medium, the latter describes the legitimacy.
Boogie, no show means no show, no show class is a class that does not meet. lets not try to become a politician and define things in only the manner in which we want them defined. For what, 4yrs now fans of UNC rivals have hung us with the "No Show Class" tagline, many of them duke fans. Now we hand it back, it is now dukies defending "No Show Classes" and rather than cry foul, we are just asking simple questions.
You say you truely believe that it was ONLY UNC "No Show Classes" where none of our players that took them had to do much or any work? IN other words you and your fellow dukies are inclined to believe the worst case scenerio and yet when it comes to the "No Show Classes" that your recruit is taking, when it comes to the "No Show Classes" that your current players are taking, well those are perfectly fine?
You stated ".that unc and the scandal is that kids didn't have to show do any credible work and had grades given and sometimes by a secretary...."; we have just covered the "show" portion of your statement, lets cover the rest now. Second is the question of credible work, now you laid out an example of what you experienced in online classes and what the professor in charge of that class required. Let me ask you, in your experience do all have the SAME REQUIREMENTS or do the requirements vary from class to class, from prof to pro in control of that class? Some require a good bit and some require much less, isn't that true, it depends on what the professor leading that "NO SHOW CLASS" requires. Some may require you have a video cam focused on you as you sit at the computer for the class and many will not, isn't that true? And who decides the work required the professor in charge or as so many have tried to accuse against us the AD or sports coach? If all the professor requires is a paper written at the end then that paper written at the end is by definition "credible" work, isn't that true?
Then the last part, "and had grades given and sometimes by a secretary...", did you not realize that most professors, yes even those that teach class at duke, most often designate someone to be responsible for grading assignments. College is not like middle school where the teacher grades the home work & tests. So allowing an AA to grade the work requirements is in no way outside of the norm or even close to something odd.
You closed your reply with "..I have no opinion to this as I don't know all the facts and await to Ncaa decision and release of findings". Did you realize that the NCAA has actually ALREADY addressed this and their findings were that the classes in question were an academic issue and the NCAA does not have the power to regulate academic issues. Per the NCAA if a player takes a class offerred by the school and does all that is required by the professor of that class that the NCAA has no say so in the difficulty of that class. Did you realize this, that the NCAA has already spoken to that question? the follow up independant investigation that UNC commissioned and the NCAA's re-opening this was to discover if evidence exists that UNC sports staff (coaches/ADs) had any hand in guiding their players to these questionable classes. It was not to re-consider a stance they have already been crystal clear about. Those follow up oinvestigations have been very clear in that the AD nor any men's basketball or football staff members had any involvement in steering their athletes to these classes. Women's basketball and maybe a couple olympic sports and it seems men's soccer may have some issue here but lets face it, all the discussion were not about anything but men's basketball and football, seriouly doubt that duke fans care very much if our woman's basketball team or a olympic sport or 2 get some restrictions...
You stated you did not have an opinion and didn't know, thought I would give you some facts to help you understand and maybe show you why we are asking some simple questions now about Giles taking "NO SHOW CLASSES".
Look at the bright side, he won't be playing with Matt Coleman this season and getting in his ear about coming to play at Duke! =)
But how can duke or anyone be assured that it's Giles doing the work? Couldn't duke send some Asian lackey over to Giles' house every now and then and bang out his work under the guise of tutoring?
I find it ironic that this site is using the "paper class" argument. Those in glass houses should not be throwing stones.
I think your comments should be directed to Duke fans who now think paper classes are okay since Giles is involved. When the shoe is on the other foot Duke fans all of sudden develop amnesia and reverse positions. Boogie is classic example.
Dsouthr post above should be mandatory reading fro Duke fans.
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i never said anywhere nor implied that "paper classes" are OKay....i was more so defending the validity of real online classes and its coursework....
I would love to see what would turn up at dook if subjected to a real investigation , but dook isn't encumbered with annoying little things like the FOIA and we know dook recruits nothing but honor students. ...LMFAO
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This thread should have been given up along time ago and probably never posted. Comparing Giles situation to the UNC academic scandal is the real embarrassment of this thread.
Thank you for your first post. You are a gentleman and scholar.
What do you think about Grayson Allen's recent double head flop? We have a thread on that.
I think he needs to go back to the 1 head flop. "It helped him get a ring"
you know Steat when I think about, I can understand why you would say this based on the recent awesome players unc has recruited. The OADs that have recently come through UNC share this same great philosophy.
I don't know if this has anything to do with them not coming now. I'll ask Gary 7
I think I'll wait to be impressed until he's playing someone other than Sienna, Yale and Bryant. How did he do in that big boy game y'all played against UK?
You're probably going to be banned. But please don't go crying about how you were banned for no reason. You're clearly just trying to start a pissing match with your smartassy comments that offer nothing to the discussion. If you want to post here as a duke fan, ask Boogie how you should do it. He's allowed some leeway to disagree and then he knows when to relent. Figure that out and then you'll probably be allowed to post here and get in your subtle digs from time to time. But when you go full retard from the jump, I'm guessing you'll be shown the door.
Well, someone needs to educate you, I am sure gary will be more than happy to try...
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This thread should have been given up along time ago and probably never posted. Comparing Giles situation to the UNC academic scandal is the real embarrassment of this thread.
Yeah, I can see why you, as a dukie, would prefer this thread never be posted, in fact the topic of this thread never be publically disclosed. Pretty typical of yall, hide it, they can't force us to disclose anything because we are a private school.
well he did have his best games of the season against VCU and Georgetown.....it aint relenting, it's called finding my way back to sanity
and i choose to not go postal, wig out and just bask in the ambience with you guys....lolPoor Brown's Chapel still wandering the countryside of North Carolina, looking for a hand out, then y'all rename it, Trinity, lovely name yet looking for a hand out and a place to put your school...that would also allow gargoyles to be placed on buildings in future years according to restrictive covenants...
well he did have his best games of the season against VCU and Georgetown.....it aint relenting, it's called finding my way back to sanity
No,...it's relenting. As it should be.
easy gsd, as of right now it's fun message board back and forths....this message board doesn't make me relent for anything.....i choose what, when, and how far I choose to go, not some absurd message board politics of "knowing my place" or the fear of being banned (ooohhh)...I stay within my character...this is a message board forum not by any means "real life"
Oh I know this is just a meaningless message board. But it's my home meaningless message board. Not yours. You are allowed to take things to a certain line and then you know and I know that if you cross it, you won't post here anymore. You call it what you want. But I'm guessing the only reason you're not an asshole here is because you want to keep posting here. That's relenting. And while I was probably being curt when I made my last post, that's exactly how you should post here and I was applauding you for that. You should indeed take into account that you're a visitor and if you like posting here, it's best not to ruffle too many feathers.
I'm not calling you my bitch or telling you to "know your place", but the fact of the matter is that, if we get tired of your posts here, we'll remove the source. I don't see anything wrong with that. I would expect the same at the duke board. In fact, I know from first hand experience, it is indeed the same as much as those idiots over there like to believe it's not. And that's ok. I do things in my house that I wouldn't do at your house. Perfectly reasonable.
So in short, if you want to call your ability to recognize when enough is enough something other than "relenting", we'll allow that as long as you continue to do it.
^sanest post on the entire thread...other than mine
Is Giles the first High School student athelete to go the route of taking classes online in order to qualify for a schlorship to Duke?
Maybe this isn't the case, but it looks from the outside as if Coach K is trying to get the talented kids on campus in any way, shape or form possible in order to win Championships before he retires?
Is that a fair assessment, and if not why?
That's a fair assessment and until it's clear and proven not the case this will be known as "Giles Gate".
Not sure he's taking online classes to qualify for a scholly...i believe he is doing it to expedite his situation (torn acl) so he can get to rehabbing at Duke with the trainers and facilities
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