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Giles Transfers to on-line high school paper factory

BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
Not sure he's taking online classes to qualify for a scholly...i believe he is doing it to expedite his situation (torn acl) so he can get to rehabbing at Duke with the trainers and facilities
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What the hell kind of response is that? Of course he is doing it to qualify for scholarship, unless Duke admits applicants who haven't graduated from high school.

Or are you suggesting that he just loves learning so much that he is taking these classes for his own personal benefit.
 
keysersosay#1 said:
So boogie you would be Ok if the classes like Giles is taking are independent study and require no classroom attendance. They merely require students to take online exams or turn in a paper at the end of the semester.... that is OK right???
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Curious keysersosay as to whether you think it is okay?
 
He was probably eligible beforehand but this will allow him to probably work a little less, rehab more and to be able to do so at Duke's facilities. It is what it is but to act like this is a benefit that would be extended to the average Duke student would be false. I doubt Duke would even look at any candidate who had attended that school. I also doubt they're in the habit of allowing students who have been admitted to use their rehab facilities prior to becoming students. However, we don't know his insurance situation and private affairs so we shouldn't speculate. He had his surgery there so it makes sense to have the rehab there. I'm from Montreal so I'm not familiar with all the intricacies of your health systems there.
 
UNC71-00 said:
What the hell kind of response is that? Of course he is doing it to qualify for scholarship, unless Duke admits applicants who haven't graduated from high school.

Or are you suggesting that he just loves learning so much that he is taking these classes for his own personal benefit.
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Are you not aware of how college applications work? You get admitted to a university before you graduate HS. Any student, athletes or otherwise.
 
BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
Not sure he's taking online classes to qualify for a scholly...i believe he is doing it to expedite his situation (torn acl) so he can get to rehabbing at Duke with the trainers and facilities
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Agreed. I've never heard anything to suggest that academics are problem for Giles at all or that he needs to boost his GPA with online classes that people are taking on his behalf, etc. Online classes aren't necessarily problematic. They're a problem if there's some reason to think the kid is not actually taking the courses and using the anonymity of taking the class remotely to have someone else do the schoolwork for him. I really don't think there's any reason at all to think that Giles is doing that or using the flexibility online classes provide for any reason other than he wants to do his rehab at Duke.

It's obviously not as good as attending a real school, but there's nothing necessarily wrong with the situation and it frankly makes sense under the circumstances for a kid who has legitimate aspirations to be a top 3 pick and jump to the NBA within 18 months. I don't want to get into what happened with UNC -- but I think the real problem there was that kids were getting credit for "work" that didn't remotely resemble college work-product and were often having tutors basically do that work for them.
 
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UNC71-00 said:
What the hell kind of response is that? Of course he is doing it to qualify for scholarship, unless Duke admits applicants who haven't graduated from high school.

Or are you suggesting that he just loves learning so much that he is taking these classes for his own personal benefit.
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what????...w/o the injury, he'd be going to school and playing ball at oak hill....now with the injury and no ball at oak hill hobbling around, he finishing up his requirements in better confines and the ability to get to duke a semester early and the much needed rehab that duke can offer...

This question has yet to be answered, IF giles chose unc and wanted to get there early to start on his rehab, using this exact same route, would you have a problem?????
 
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Fayettville observer article says he is taking their highschool online homeschool courses to have greater flexibilty to also rehab....not necessarily to enter duke any earlier (is that even the plan)....wasn't jjackson homeschooled for all of high school?
 
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BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
what????...w/o the injury, he'd be going to school and playing ball at oak hill....now with the injury and no ball at oak hill hobbling around, he finishing up his requirements in better confines and the ability to get to duke a semester early and the much needed rehab that duke can offer...

This question has yet to be answered, IF giles chose unc and wanted to get there early to start on his rehab, using this exact same route, would you have a problem?????
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If Giles were going to UNC and this was going on, would you and your boys call Carolina out? Or would you tell your DI friends that there was nothing to see here?

I think we all know the answer.

Also, how do you feel about the Duke hoops guys taking classes at Central? Just asking for a friend.
 
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So to summarize: online classes at UNC are bad while online classes to get into dook are okay. Makes perfect sense now.

Will be curious if this becomes more common now. Stud recruit signs to play college ball and then enrolls in athletics factory to complete his high school requirements online while being able to put in more time training. If a kid has the offer and does not care about high school accolades like McDonalds game why risk the chance of injury.
 
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Bubspub88 said:
So to summarize: online classes at UNC are bad while online classes to get into dook are okay. Makes perfect sense now.

Will be curious if this becomes more common now. Stud recruit signs to play college ball and then enrolls in athletics factory to complete his high school requirements online while being able to put in more time training. If a kid has the offer and does not care about high school accolades like McDonalds game why risk the chance of injury.
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Now, add another twist. Do a fast track on the on-line courses and enroll in the college after the first of the year and get free medical treatment for an injury that occurred prior to enrollment at that college. Give that player a scolly when he enrolls.
 
BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
Fayettville observer article says he is taking their highschool online homeschool courses to have greater flexibilty to also rehab....not necessarily to enter duke any earlier (is that even the plan)....wasn't jjackson homeschooled for all of high school?
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Looking at his schedule I would ask when he has time to take those home school classes? I see 90mins allocated for SAT prep but nothing else education related and his daily schedule is jam packed.

Home school classes, nothing at all wrong with them, in fact many home schooled kids are academically above the more traditional type of class room kids. To be clear, I do not think on-line classes are a bad thing either and I do not think a college kid taking an easy grade class is in any way outside of normal. Pretty much anyone that has been a college grad has taken easy grade classes at times to give yourself a break and pump your GPA for that future resume.

But there have been very long periods over the last 4yrs that the spin seemed to be that UNC was the ONLY program in the country that offered students easy grade classes or classes that were not the traditional class room type. To the extent that they slickly crafted a new name for non-traditional classes, they named the "NO SHOW CLASSES" and hung that tag around UNCs neck. And leading that charge were NC State fans, Ky fans, and yes boogie, dukies. Yet now here you are, defending the very no show classes that your dukies have hammered us over for 4 yrs now? My point really is not hard to understand is it, it is so simple that even shownuff could understand it and we all know that bulb ain't to bright.

And yet again I ask, who is paying the tab for this new training academy attendence combined with the cost of these "NO SHOW CLASSES"? Oak Hill could give him a scholly to play but this new spot he is not going to play, only rehab so there is no scholly, someone has to pay and that kind of thing is not cheap at all.
 
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BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
Dsouth...online courses are no show unless it's a hybrid were some weeks it's online and some weeks you do meet in person...at least my experience...I truly believe the "no show" is in regards to the "thought" (yet to be proven)...that unc and the scandal is that kids didn't have to show do any credible work and had grades given and sometimes by a secretary.....I have no opinion to this as I don't know all the facts and await to Ncaa decision and release of findings......this Giles thing is not the same as what the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is being "accused"...imo
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I haven't read the whole thread but have no issue at all with your take here. My question to you is more principle based. What is the difference between an online 'no show' class where a student has to turn one thing in and not show any credible work and a class where students attend and do not do any credible work either, which goes on at most universities (even prestigious private ones)? In both cases there isn't any real education taking place, though I have long thought this idea that athletes need to be treated the same as your regular student body is ridiculous anyway. That doesn't mean they don't need to be educated and it doesn't excuse some of the academic stuff that went on but it does reek of silent hypocrisy. There isn't a school out there that wants to the NCAA to start vetting classes for 'credible work'.

As for Giles, I have no problem with him taking online classes. I don't really see the big deal. As I said though, I don't really care enough to look into it.
 
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UNC71-00 said:
If Giles were going to UNC and this was going on, would you and your boys call Carolina out? Or would you tell your DI friends that there was nothing to see here?

I think we all know the answer.

Also, how do you feel about the Duke hoops guys taking classes at Central? Just asking for a friend.
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Well first, i don't engage in stupidity here or there, check my posts if ya got time....if it is a LEGIT pathway, then I wouldn't have a problem no matter where he was going....NCCU is a prestigious HBCU that has very good programs and a great Law School....NCCU has probably set up something with Duke that benefits NCCU....what classes are they taking and is it just basketball players or is some courses that Duke doesn't offer that NCCU does and they have created a partnership....they are both in Durham and again NCCU is a good quality university...dig deeper and it also my be vice versa as well, some NCCU students may take some Duke courses????..I think its a good thing blending the two universities through academics
 
BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
Well first, i don't engage in stupidity here or there, check my posts if ya got time....if it is a LEGIT pathway, then I wouldn't have a problem no matter where he was going....NCCU is a prestigious HBCU that has very good programs and a great Law School....NCCU has probably set up something with Duke that benefits NCCU....what classes are they taking and is it just basketball players or is some courses that Duke doesn't offer that NCCU does and they have created a partnership....they are both in Durham and again NCCU is a good quality university...dig deeper and it also my be vice versa as well, some NCCU students may take some Duke courses????..I think its a good thing blending the two universities through academics
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So if a class is offered to the entire student body, this makes it legit?
 
Bubspub88 said:
So to summarize: online classes at UNC are bad while online classes to get into dook are okay. Makes perfect sense now.

Will be curious if this becomes more common now. Stud recruit signs to play college ball and then enrolls in athletics factory to complete his high school requirements online while being able to put in more time training. If a kid has the offer and does not care about high school accolades like McDonalds game why risk the chance of injury.
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Who said online classes in CH are bad? I think people only believe fake classes are bad, and there is a difference between online and fake.
 
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dbav said:
Who said online classes in CH are bad. I think people only believe fake classes are bad, and there is a difference between online and fake.
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This is true. I think we, as UNC fans, are not very patient right now regarding this because so many have lumped both in together in regards to the UNC situation though.
 
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UNC71-00 said:
So if a class is offered to the entire student body, this makes it legit?
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which...giles or the nccu classes....when i said legit pathway, i was referring to giles...if what he is doing is allowable then to me it is fine whether enrolling at duke, unc, or any other university...
 
Bubspub88 said:
So to summarize: online classes at UNC are bad while online classes to get into dook are okay. Makes perfect sense now.

Will be curious if this becomes more common now. Stud recruit signs to play college ball and then enrolls in athletics factory to complete his high school requirements online while being able to put in more time training. If a kid has the offer and does not care about high school accolades like McDonalds game why risk the chance of injury.
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not sure your summary part has ever been said one time within this thread...online coursework and options are becoming more and more prevalent...
 
BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
which...giles or the nccu classes....when i said legit pathway, i was referring to giles...if what he is doing is allowable then to me it is fine whether enrolling at duke, unc, or any other university...
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Its a very simple question: if a class is offered to an entire student body, does that make the class legitimate?

A simple yes or no will suffice- no need to elaborate.
 
UNC71-00 said:
Its a very simple question: if a class is offered to an entire student body, does that make the class legitimate?

A simple yes or no will suffice- no need to elaborate.
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No. I know people who have taken jogging and bowling. I don't consider those legitimate classes. But, in the end, it is the school that determines the legitimacy, not any of us.
 
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coryfly said:
This is true. I think we, as UNC fans, are not very patient right now regarding this because so many have lumped both in together in regards to the UNC situation though.
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I can certainly understand that given what the school is going through. It does seem like some are projecting that on Giles. I think the same principles apply though. Online is fine, fake is not.
 
dbav said:
No. I know people who have taken jogging and bowling. I don't consider those legitimate classes. But, in the end, it is the school that determines the legitimacy, not any of us.
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So what about golf or tennis? Are those legitimate classes? Or are you saying that the school determines which classes are legitimate or not?

Still waiting for @BOOGIEMAN1914 to respond though
 
No, just because a class is offered to everyone doesnt automatically make it legitimate as being open to everyone could be part of the ploy.....also just because it is open to everyone doesnt mean that everyone gets the same syllabus and has the same expectations good or bad......a class could be set up in a way that benefits all that take it, but its premise is for the benefit of a selective few......personal example, while in grad school, a graduate level course was also open to undergraduate students within that discipline as well....same syllabus, but the graduate students had an additional section of required work.......and i completely get the "easy" class/lax prof take, all universities have them and we all looked for those to help lessen loads and pad gpa's and etc....
 
dbav said:
I can certainly understand that given what the school is going through. It does seem like some are projecting that on Giles. I think the same principles apply though. Online is fine, fake is not.
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Yeah, that isn't what I said. I think you know that though. I don't care at all about Giles. I don't care what people are projecting on him as he isn't really of concern to me. I don't care if they just give him grades so he can play. I don't care if they don't. Good for him either way. He is a great player. The issue here is people assume every online class at UNC is fake. I get that it is out of ignorance because they don't know any better but it doesn't make it any less annoying. Don't be annoying.
 
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cfly....i agree, all online classes @ unc arent fake and that is completely crazy for people to think or assume that about unc
 
BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
cfly....i agree, all online classes @ unc arent fake and that is completely crazy for people to think or assume that about unc
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Yeah, but the media (certain ones at least) have basically made that the case, which is one reason UNC fans will fight this out with anyone to such a degree. People have only paid attention to that and not the facts. Again, it doesn't change the legit issues and problems that did go down though. There were some. There could also be some serious punishments even with the reforms. I think if it is the case it will be more of the impermissible benefit variety though (or some umbrella punishments due to LOIC). I have said before the NCAA is not going to get into issues involving how universities issue credits. It would basically terminate their existence. It is why I don't think any sort of eligibility issues are even on the table.
 
BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
No, just because a class is offered to everyone doesnt automatically make it legitimate as being open to everyone could be part of the ploy.
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What ploy? Elaborate please.

And 5 years ago, I would have had no problem with UNC doing what Duke is doing. Today, I would be upset as it gives the appearance of impropriety.
 
UNC71-00 said:
So what about golf or tennis? Are those legitimate classes? Or are you saying that the school determines which classes are legitimate or not?

Still waiting for @BOOGIEMAN1914 to respond though
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I believe my answer was pretty clear. The school determines legitimacy. Personally. I don't think jogging or tennis is a legitimate class. I don't think students should get college credit for playing tennis or bowling. Scholarship athletes may do that, but I expect real classes for that.
 
coryfly said:
Yeah, that isn't what I said. I think you know that though. I don't care at all about Giles. I don't care what people are projecting on him as he isn't really of concern to me. I don't care if they just give him grades so he can play. I don't care if they don't. Good for him either way. He is a great player. The issue here is people assume every online class at UNC is fake. I get that it is out of ignorance because they don't know any better but it doesn't make it any less annoying. Don't be annoying.
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I was agreeing with you that "online" does not equal "fake". Sorry if that was annoying.
 
dbav said:
I believe my answer was pretty clear. The school determines legitimacy. Personally. I don't think jogging or tennis is a legitimate class. I don't think students should get college credit for playing tennis or bowling. Scholarship athletes may do that, but I expect real classes for that.
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What about an art class? Do you only take issue with PE classes, or are there other frivolous ones you believe should be stricken from the catalog?
 
UNC71-00 said:
What ploy? Elaborate please.

And 5 years ago, I would have had no problem with UNC doing what Duke is doing. Today, I would be upset as it gives the appearance of impropriety.
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Oh now you want me to elaborate???....I think you may be thinking that I am talking about UNC, the "ploy" to me is the part that makes it illegitimate/wrong doings by those higher up (not the students)....why does it give the appearance of impropriety when it isn't being hidden????...it has been reported what is going on, my thing is if it is being done and reported as such, it must be a perfectly acceptable avenue....no part appears to be trying to be hidden or deceptive...
 
BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
Oh now you want me to elaborate???....I think you may be thinking that I am talking about UNC, the "ploy" to me is the part that makes it illegitimate/wrong doings by those higher up (not the students)....why does it give the appearance of impropriety when it isn't being hidden????...it has been reported what is going on, my thing is if it is being done and reported as such, it must be a perfectly acceptable avenue....no part appears to be trying to be hidden or deceptive...
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I'm not trying to be a jerk but I have no idea what you meant with this post.
 
UNC71-00 said:
I'm not trying to be a jerk but I have no idea what you meant with this post.
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i gotcha...

ploy...the "ploy" to me is the part that makes it (course) illegitimate/wrong doings by those higher up (not the students) which benefits all but the intentions are for a select few


impropriety in regards to what Giles is currently doing w/ his injury.....why does it give the appearance of impropriety when it isn't being hidden????...it has been reported what is going on, my thing is if it is being done and reported as such, it must be a perfectly acceptable avenue....no part appears to be trying to be hidden or deceptive...
 
UNC71-00 said:
If Giles were going to UNC and this was going on, would you and your boys call Carolina out? Or would you tell your DI friends that there was nothing to see here?

I think we all know the answer.

Also, how do you feel about the Duke hoops guys taking classes at Central? Just asking for a friend.
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came across this info about taking classes at nccu...not sure of the 100% validity but should help your friend maybe???
the interinstitutional program Duke participates in with UNC, Central, and State. you could only take a class at another school if:

(1) the student's academic advisor and/or dean can certify that the course is appropriate for the student's degree program and that the course is not available during the same academic year at the home institution

and that

(2) undergrads can only take one course per term (Fall and Spring Semesters), provided that the student is also registered for the balance of his/her normal load at the home institution.
 
UNC71-00 said:
What about an art class? Do you only take issue with PE classes, or are there other frivolous ones you believe should be stricken from the catalog?
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Depends on the art. If it's fingerpainting, then it should be stricken. If it's artistry or cultivation, I have no problem. The classes I have issue with are those you could take in high school or that require no true work or progression to succeed in. Taxpayers shouldn't be paying for me to take bowling class.
 
dbav said:
Fake = a class in name only. No work is required. Nothing is taught. It exists on paper and a bs grade is handed out. That would be fake.
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So we agree that AFAM wasn't fake? Work was required.
 
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