Giles Transfers to on-line high school paper factory

[UNC71-00]

i gotcha...

ploy...the "ploy" to me is the part that makes it (course) illegitimate/wrong doings by those higher up (not the students) which benefits all but the intentions are for a select few


impropriety in regards to what Giles is currently doing w/ his injury.....why does it give the appearance of impropriety when it isn't being hidden????...it has been reported what is going on, my thing is if it is being done and reported as such, it must be a perfectly acceptable avenue....no part appears to be trying to be hidden or deceptive...

You still confuse me as to what a ploy is.

It wasn't hidden that some athletes majored in AFAM.

Anytime I hear that someone is taking an online class anywhere, I assume that a much higher possibility of shenanigans exists. Therefore I don't want any UNC athletes enrolling in such either before enrollment or while enrolled. Just like I don't want to recruit players who have handlers other than their parents.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Depends on the art. If it's fingerpainting, then it should be stricken. If it's artistry or cultivation, I have no problem. The classes I have issue with are those you could take in high school or that require no true work or progression to succeed in. Taxpayers shouldn't be paying for me to take bowling class.

First of all, that in which you find merit is not the same for all folks. It's quite an egocentric approach, no?

Secondly, a college education is meant to create a well rounded individual. That's why there are "electives". You are required to have a major, and that major provides the knowledge and skills to develop a future career. But electives are designed to build the student's whole mind. You're pooh-poohing that notion.

Lastly, you and Boogie have both stated that if the school OKs the classes, then they're legit. Multiple analysts have agreed that coaches have no business discussing the merits of any class/department. So wouldn't that indicate that the troubles at UNC are not athletic related?

 

[dbav]

First of all, that in which you find merit is not the same for all folks. It's quite an egocentric approach, no?

Secondly, a college education is meant to create a well rounded individual. That's why there are "electives". You are required to have a major, and that major provides the knowledge and skills to develop a future career. But electives are designed to build the student's whole mind. You're pooh-poohing that notion.

Lastly, you and Boogie have both stated that if the school OKs the classes, then they're legit. Multiple analysts have agreed that coaches have no business discussing the merits of any class/department. So wouldn't that indicate that the troubles at UNC are not athletic related?

So bowling and fingerpainting would make your child a better rounded person? I don't think it would. Maybe that's elitist, but electives should be challenging too.

Sure. The school could find AFAM legit. But the NCAA might not. That's part of being involved with a larger regulatory structure. That's why it's a potential scandal. An institution of higher learning may have offered something geared toward athletes which required far less overall than any other currculum at that scool or others. The issue is that such a school could consider that legit.

And frankly, work has to be more than a 1 paragraph essay. If a child and 3rd grade can produce the same end tesult, there's no actual work there. If a school is admitting students for whom that is a big amount of work, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[UNC71-00]

So bowling and fingerpainting would make your child a better rounded person? I don't think it would. Maybe that's elitist, but electives should be challenging too.

Sure. The school could find AFAM legit. But the NCAA might not. That's part of being involved with a larger regulatory structure. That's why it's a potential scandal. An institution of higher learning may have offered something geared toward athletes which required far less overall than any other currculum at that scool or others. The issue is that such a school could consider that legit.

And frankly, work has to be more than a 1 paragraph essay. If a child and 3rd grade can produce the same end tesult, there's no actual work there. If a school is admitting students for whom that is a big amount of work, then I don't know what to tell you.

What are you talking about with 1 paragraph essay? If you are talking about AFAM, then you are FOS

 

[Littlejon]

Can't believe I am wading into this, but here goes!

As far as "legit" classes, who is to say what is and isn't "legit"? The school? NCAA? Some fan on a message board? If you are saying that the AFAM classes (or electives or any other classes offered) are/were somehow set up to provide SPECIFIC cover for athletes too stupid to sign their names, then your argument is invalid. Those classes WERE approved by the school and the NCAA, as much as they might like to think they can, cannot control what ANY school offers in the way of classes, nor can they do or say anything about how rigorous they are. All they can do is say that ATHLETES have to take legitimate classes offered at their school and those classes have to be offered to everyone else. In the case of the AFAM classes, they were legitimate classes in UNC's eyes and were offered to everyone, not just athletes. It makes no difference if the professors teaching those classes say you have to write a 1 paragraph essay in crayon or do a 1000 page dissertation. The NCAA can't tell a university or it's faculty how to do a dang thing as it relates to academics.

As for the "well rounded" and "challenging" part, well who is to say what is "well rounded" and "challenging"? When I was a senior in college I had ONE class required to graduate my last semester, but needed 12 hours to stay in my dorm. So (showing my age here!) I took: canoeing, archery and gun handling along with that one required class. Canoeing was a breeze since I practically lived on the water growing up (dad owned a canoe shop) and I have hunted all my life, too. Had my own bow and we shot at targets for the entire class. The "gun handling" class (yes, that WAS an actual class at WCU back in the day) amounted to shooting skeet and reloading the spent shotgun shells. I could do both bindfolded. Brought my own shotgun, too. (Had to leave it in the safe at campus security). Were those "legit" classes? Yes they were. The school said so. Were they "challenging"? Not for me, but several people struggled with them. In canoeing we had to navigate certain rapids and do some basic stuff covered in the same 30 minute briefing given at any outfitter. Archery was hitting a target a minimum number of times. Same with shooting skeet. To say those were "challenging" for me would be like saying dunking on a nerf goal would be challenging for Kennedy Meeks.

 

[coryfly]

I think some people think that that 'paper' that Willingham released was actually what was turned in for a grade, when that wasn't the case. Of course, no one knows that because no one cares.

 

[UNC71-00]

I think some people think that that 'paper' that Willingham released was actually what was turned in for a grade, when that wasn't the case. Of course, no one knows that because no one cares.

Let him speak for himself- I wanna see exactly what 1 paragraph paper to which he is alluding.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

You still confuse me as to what a ploy is.

It wasn't hidden that some athletes majored in AFAM.

Anytime I hear that someone is taking an online class anywhere, I assume that a much higher possibility of shenanigans exists. Therefore I don't want any UNC athletes enrolling in such either before enrollment or while enrolled. Just like I don't want to recruit players who have handlers other than their parents.

ploy...ruse...agenda...up to something....wrong doings....in general

 

[UNC71-00]

ploy...ruse...agenda...up to something....wrong doings....in general

So your point is that UNC administration created a ruse to make athletes eligible?

 

[Archer2]

I think that's what he was implying. And he's actually one of the better dook posters. Like NVSU fans, they have one set of rules for their team and one for every other team. They love to have their cake and eat it too.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

So your point is that UNC administration created a ruse to make athletes eligible?

i have never said unc....i also said that i dont know all the details and just like everyone else is awaiting the ruling to shed light on all the questions....my primary insertion into the thread was giles and how some were saying what he is doing is similar to what unc is being accused of and it went into what is fake, online, no show, legitimate, this that and the third...i have my own personal assumptions and thoughts, but have never shared them in this thread in regards to unc.......i defended online coursework and gave my opinion when asked what is legitimate or what if the class is offered to all students and thats when i gave my opinion on the question not unc

 

[DSouthr]

So bowling and fingerpainting would make your child a better rounded person? I don't think it would. Maybe that's elitist, but electives should be challenging too.

Sure. The school could find AFAM legit. But the NCAA might not. That's part of being involved with a larger regulatory structure. That's why it's a potential scandal. An institution of higher learning may have offered something geared toward athletes which required far less overall than any other currculum at that scool or others. The issue is that such a school could consider that legit.

And frankly, work has to be more than a 1 paragraph essay. If a child and 3rd grade can produce the same end tesult, there's no actual work there. If a school is admitting students for whom that is a big amount of work, then I don't know what to tell you.

NO, you are missing or ignoring a major point, the NCAA does NOT approve or disapprove classes and the NCAA has been VERY clear about this point. If the school offers the class the NCAA DOES NOT have a say in the qualiity of the class or the work requirements for that class. The ONLY body, outside of the school itself, that has say over ANY class offered at any school is the accreditation body for that school.

Folks seem to think the NCAA has a say in if a class is challenging to some NCAA set standard but that just is not the case. A class that is offered to all students can be taken by any student, a class can not be offered ONLY to athletes, none of our classes were offered ONLY to athletes. Your entire argument goes up in smoke with that simple fact.

 

[coryfly]

I was agreeing with you that "online" does not equal "fake". Sorry if that was annoying.

Haha, I probably just misunderstood your tone. I thought you were subtly saying the classes here were fake vs. online by the way your were differentiating between the two. My bad.