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Good going North Carolina

And, yes, there were always trans people in the bathrooms... the GOP turned this into another boogy man to rally the troops to send money to the churches.
Money to the churches? Please explain how this increased donations to churches.
 
Hypocritical is right. My opinion dovetails with the opinion of the psychiatrist in this article when it comes to Transgenders. IOW, it is a mental disorder and should be treated as such. To think that we actually encourage it and use surgery to physically change people's sex! Only in today's "anything goes", morally decadent society.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/p...fically-there-is-no-such-thing-as-transgender
There's nothin immoral about it. It's also NOT a mental disorder. See, I have more links than you:

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ot-be-diagnosed-as-mental-disorder-says-study

http://time.com/4424589/being-transgender-is-not-a-mental-disorder-study/

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012...onger-a-mental-disorder-in-diagnostic-manual/

https://www.rt.com/uk/353747-transgender-identity-mental-illness/

You old people that resist the evolutionary process of the human species amaze me. It reminds me of when the British Government forced chemical castration therapy on Alan Turing (and many others) in the 1950's. They finally realized that being homosexual is exactly "how God made them."
 
I'm delusional then. Everyone has an impact on the future of the nation. EVERY... SINGLE... ONE OF US! We all contribute. And, to imply that Dean Smith's efforts to advance civil rights and social acceptance of blacks is pretty delusional. But, look who I'm talking to.
I agree, we all have an impact, small though it may be in most instances. And people like Dean, who use their fame to promote change for the better, have an impact on all those who admire them, which in turn can, and often does, impact our actions and the values that we pass on to others.
 
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The Founding Fathers actually have a real impact on the future of this nation. Dean Smith, for all his upside, has zero impact on the future of the nation. To believe otherwise is delusional.
I said in my poast that I wasn't saying they were equal, but that the idea that just because a person is dead their beliefs from when they were alive no longer matter is something I disagree with. I used the founding fathers just to prove a point, and that point was not that Dean has impacted America in the same way that they did, but rather that his death does not diminish what he believed and stood for.
 
Not trying to start anything, but I think that's kind of a weird thing to say. All the founding fathers are dead, but people seem to put an awful lot of value in what they believe they would have wanted. Not putting Dean on par with them, but just because the man is dead doesn't mean what he believed when he was alive is not valid. Otherwise, what's the point of learning about and from history? JMO, like I said, not trying to start anything, just an observation.

Don't you value anything your parents or grandparents did for you or taught you? I think it's kind of similar in that we are left with things sometimes that benefit generations.
 
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There's nothin immoral about it. It's also NOT a mental disorder. See, I have more links than you:

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ot-be-diagnosed-as-mental-disorder-says-study

http://time.com/4424589/being-transgender-is-not-a-mental-disorder-study/

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012...onger-a-mental-disorder-in-diagnostic-manual/

https://www.rt.com/uk/353747-transgender-identity-mental-illness/

You old people that resist the evolutionary process of the human species amaze me. It reminds me of when the British Government forced chemical castration therapy on Alan Turing (and many others) in the 1950's. They finally realized that being homosexual is exactly "how God made them."

We're not discussing homosexuality. I'm all for gay rights. This is an entirely different ball of wax. Once again, you stray off the subject. And for the umteenth time, you lump everyone who happens to disagree with you into some sort of one size fits all category. It's "old people", or "old white men", or some other derogatory term.

One can only hope you live long enough to acquire a little wisdom. I doubt it, but one can hope.
 
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Hypocritical is right. My opinion dovetails with the opinion of the psychiatrist in this article when it comes to Transgenders. IOW, it is a mental disorder and should be treated as such. To think that we actually encourage it and use surgery to physically change people's sex! Only in today's "anything goes", morally decadent society.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/p...fically-there-is-no-such-thing-as-transgender

Okay then which one of these do you have?
List of Mental Illnesses, Disorders
The major types of mental illnesses, disorders are the following:

 
Okay then which one of these do you have?
List of Mental Illnesses, Disorders
The major types of mental illnesses, disorders are the following:

There are some cool disorders on that list.
 
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We're not discussing homosexuality. I'm all for gay rights. This is an entirely different ball of wax. Once again, you stray off the subject. And for the umteenth time, you lump everyone who happens to disagree with you into some sort of one size fits all category. It's "old people", or "old white men", or some other derogatory term.

One can only hope you live long enough to acquire a little wisdom. I doubt it, but one can hope.
Yeah, I know we're not talking about homosexuality. I used that example to illustrate how backward the idea was that THEY had mental disorders, too... until it was finally realized that it was a natural process of their gestation. Hey, even @Louigi thinks homosexuals have mental disorders now, and he's younger than me.

I do make the mistake of lumping people together. I need to stop it. And, it's because my experience has shown that old people resist change more. But, it's not ONLY old people, no.
 
Well, I am claustrophobic Chickie. But I don't go around trying to pass legislation eliminating any room less than 10x10.

Seriously, I don't get your point. Perhaps you'd enlighten me. If you're intimating that everyone has some sort of mental disorder, and that any type of phobia qualifies, then I'd probably have to agree. But there are mental disorders and then there are mental disorders.
 
even @Louigi thinks homosexuals have mental disorders now, and he's younger than me.
Correct. It is a mental disorder, no one has proved otherwise. Actually, Personally I don't think anyone is 100% Homosexual anyway. Just various degrees of Bisexuals.
 
Well, I am claustrophobic Chickie. But I don't go around trying to pass legislation eliminating any room less than 10x10.

Seriously, I don't get your point. Perhaps you'd enlighten me. If you're intimating that everyone has some sort of mental disorder, and that any type of phobia qualifies, then I'd probably have to agree. But there are mental disorders and then there are mental disorders.

If people with claustrophobia were discriminated against and legislation was necessary to help end that I'm sure you'd understand it better.
 
Well, I am claustrophobic Chickie. But I don't go around trying to pass legislation eliminating any room less than 10x10.

Seriously, I don't get your point. Perhaps you'd enlighten me. If you're intimating that everyone has some sort of mental disorder, and that any type of phobia qualifies, then I'd probably have to agree. But there are mental disorders and then there are mental disorders.

There is a long line of us who don't get her point. Best of luck to you, but you are on your own.
 
There is a long line of us who don't get her point. Best of luck to you, but you are on your own.

I just made my point to him and I'll make it to you.... If men with erectile dysfunction or premature ejaculation (as I'm sure you know all about) were discriminated against, you'd sure appreciate some legislation on your behalf now wouldn't you?
 
I just made my point to him and I'll make it to you.... If men with erectile dysfunction or premature ejaculation (as I'm sure you know all about) were discriminated against, you'd sure appreciate some legislation on your behalf now wouldn't you?

Pathetic. It is impossible for you to ever do this without making a penis comment, isn't it?
 
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If people with claustrophobia were discriminated against and legislation was necessary to help end that I'm sure you'd understand it better.
We're discriminated against daily. Every elevator made is claustrophobic to most people that are claustrophobic. You don't see us trying to pass a law that says they must be a minimum of 10x10. And there are a whole lot more people who suffer from claustrophobia(an estimated 5-7% of the world's population suffer from severe claustrophobia) than there are Transgenders, Transsexuals, Homosexuals, and Bisexuals put together.
 
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We're discriminated against daily. Every elevator made is claustrophobic to most people that are claustrophobic. You don't see us trying to pass a law that says they must be a minimum of 10x10. And there are a whole lot more people who suffer from claustrophobia(an estimated 5-7% of the world's population suffer from severe claustrophobia) than there are Transgenders, Transsexuals, Homosexuals, and Bisexuals put together.
Elevators are not part of everyday living but pissing is.
 
Elevators are not part of everyday living but pissing is.
I use elevators, because it's inconvenient not to, even though I may feel uncomfortable doing so. Transgenders may feel uncomfortable using the Male bathroom because they "feel like a woman", but they can certainly do so. IOW, why change our laws to accommodate a minuscule percentage of the population?
 
I use elevators, because it's inconvenient not to, even though I may feel uncomfortable doing so. Transgenders may feel uncomfortable using the Male bathroom because they "feel like a woman", but they can certainly do so. IOW, why change our laws to accommodate a minuscule percentage of the population?

Unfortunately the governor is actually doing it to discriminate in other ways, not just the bathroom issue. It is just the part getting everyone's panties in a twist. He is, in my opinion, a homophobic bigot using his power in the wrong way. He's going to get all that negative energy and hatefulness right back and it's showing now. He created a problem when there wasn't one to begin with because he's an idiot!
 
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I use elevators, because it's inconvenient not to, even though I may feel uncomfortable doing so. Transgenders may feel uncomfortable using the Male bathroom because they "feel like a woman", but they can certainly do so. IOW, why change our laws to accommodate a minuscule percentage of the population?
If claustrophobics were passing out in elevators and were incapable of using them, then I'd be all for new designs and ways to make it easier for them.

This bill was never necessary anyway! Everything was working fine. The bathroom/trans thing is not really the issue.
 
Not trying to start anything, but I think that's kind of a weird thing to say. All the founding fathers are dead, but people seem to put an awful lot of value in what they believe they would have wanted. Not putting Dean on par with them, but just because the man is dead doesn't mean what he believed when he was alive is not valid. Otherwise, what's the point of learning about and from history? JMO, like I said, not trying to start anything, just an observation.

I said in my poast that I wasn't saying they were equal, but that the idea that just because a person is dead their beliefs from when they were alive no longer matter is something I disagree with. I used the founding fathers just to prove a point, and that point was not that Dean has impacted America in the same way that they did, but rather that his death does not diminish what he believed and stood for.

Fair enough. I probably should have left the "he's dead" part off the comment, as I agree that's irrelevant. My main point was I couldn't care what Dean would feel about this issue. Strum likes to try to push poasters buttons who like Dean, but who are conservative, by reminding them Dean was liberal. I don't really fit that category as I didn't become a full-on UNC fan until after Dean retired, but it still irks me when he tries to throw that zinger.
 
Fair enough. I probably should have left the "he's dead" part off the comment, as I agree that's irrelevant. My main point was I couldn't care what Dean would feel about this issue. Strum likes to try to push poasters buttons who like Dean, but who are conservative, by reminding them Dean was liberal. I don't really fit that category as I didn't become a full-on UNC fan until after Dean retired, but it still irks me when he tries to throw that zinger.
That's reasonable, like I said, wasn't really trying to start anything, just hit me wrong, and while not trying to call you out just felt I had to poast. No worries
 
Fair enough. I probably should have left the "he's dead" part off the comment, as I agree that's irrelevant. My main point was I couldn't care what Dean would feel about this issue. Strum likes to try to push poasters buttons who like Dean, but who are conservative, by reminding them Dean was liberal. I don't really fit that category as I didn't become a full-on UNC fan until after Dean retired, but it still irks me when he tries to throw that zinger.
I think you're taking some poetic license there with my comments. I mentioned Dean Smith because he was a very respected man for very obvious reasons. And, he was closely associated with North Carolina. His "liberalness" is not how I see him. I see him as a humble human being who did what he felt like was right, because it was right... as he saw it. And, I think history has proven that his choices and efforts definitely served the social culture in positive ways. I have immense respect for him because of those reasons. That is why I said what I said to no one in particular.

I don't believe anyone is conservative or liberal. I think everyone is both.

And, this isn't about being a UNC fan either!
 
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I think you're taking some poetic license there with my comments. I mentioned Dean Smith because he was a very respected man for very obvious reasons. And, he was closely associated with North Carolina. His "liberalness" is not how I see him. I see him as a humble human being who did what he felt like was right, because it was right... as he saw it. And, I think history has proven that his choices and efforts definitely served the social culture in positive ways. I have immense respect for him because of those reasons. That is why I said what I said to no one in particular.

I don't believe anyone is conservative or liberal. I think everyone is both.

And, this isn't about being a UNC fan either!
Couldn't agree more.
 
You know what irks me the most about this? The ignorant mofos that always say. I don't care if you take away the concerts, sporting events and revenue. I fully support my Governor and we do not need to bend our laws for anyone. Then the go on to say....."I'll whip any mans A$$ if he tries to go into the bathroom with my wife and/or daughter". Really? I'm pretty sure that all of us feel strongly about protecting our girls from predators and sickos and have felt this strongly about it all our lives. This bill was just passed what? 12 months ago? That logic for being such a strong supporter of the bill makes me scratch my head.
 
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There's nothin immoral about it. It's also NOT a mental disorder. See, I have more links than you:

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ot-be-diagnosed-as-mental-disorder-says-study

http://time.com/4424589/being-transgender-is-not-a-mental-disorder-study/

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012...onger-a-mental-disorder-in-diagnostic-manual/

https://www.rt.com/uk/353747-transgender-identity-mental-illness/

You old people that resist the evolutionary process of the human species amaze me. It reminds me of when the British Government forced chemical castration therapy on Alan Turing (and many others) in the 1950's. They finally realized that being homosexual is exactly "how God made them."
you can print all the links you want , there are just as many that state the other position. You have to peel back the onion and see which ones require govt funding. A lot of them bowed to the pressure also and recently flip flopped.
 
you can print all the links you want , there are just as many that state the other position. You have to peel back the onion and see which ones require govt funding. A lot of them bowed to the pressure also and recently flip flopped.
What qualifies anything as a "mental disorder?" Being stubborn and crystallized in your thinking is a mental disorder to me. I simply supplied evidence that there is a majority that believe it's NOT a mental disorder. For all I know, the people deciding what is and what isn't have their own mental disorders. And, if it is a handicap, then we've made accommodations for other handicapped people, and they are in the extreme minority as well. I guess it's just the handicaps and disorders that people are sympathetic to that qualify.
 
He is without a doubt the most powerful and influential individual in this country. Barry doesn't even come close and the Koch Bros. wouldn't make a pimple on George's fat azz. Just sayin'...
Yes, I agree he is very wealthy and powerful. And?
 
Yes, I agree he is very wealthy and powerful. And?
...and, in human form the 100% exact antithesis of the Constitution, freedom, individual liberty for ALL people, capitalism, freedom of religion, speech, etc.

The opposite of everything that makes America unique, and the greatest country ever on this planet. That so many brave people fight / fought, live & die to defend . So there's that...
 
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And, if it is a handicap, then we've made accommodations for other handicapped people, and they are in the extreme minority as well.

I'm not touching the transgender is a mental disorder/not mental disorder discussion. But I will say - that the accommodations that have been made for people who are handicapped, are necessary for them to function. Like if you don't make supermarkets wheel chair accessible - people in wheel chairs literally can't go in them to buy food. It's not a matter of whether the person will feel bad by being made to hop out of their chair and walk in like an able-bodied person would - they literally can't do it.

That's on a completely different level than making someone use a bathroom they don't personally identify with. They can use the bathroom just fine - it's just they'll feel weird doing so (allegedly). Regardless of whether you support everyone being able to go where they please - it's not on the same level as something like handicap accessibility because they can do the opposite - even if they don't feel happy about doing it.

Feelings are the anti-logic. Letting them control how you operate can lead to less than optimal results.

I guess it's just the handicaps and disorders that people are sympathetic to that qualify.

This is exactly the case. If "protecting" a certain disorder can get a politician more votes, they'll rally behind it. If not, their response is "screw those people".
 
...and, in human form the 100% exact antithesis of the Constitution, freedom, individual liberty for ALL people, capitalism, freedom of religion, speech, etc.

The opposite of everything that makes America unique, and the greatest country ever on this planet. That so many brave people fight / fought, live & die to defend . So there's that...
Well, I actually believe that people fight and die so people like Soros remain wealthy and powerful.

That rah-rah "We're the greatest country because we're America" stuff because we "win" wars and kill/subjugate more people in wars is a big lie to get the poorer classes to keep sacrificing their lives so rich and wealthy people stay that way.
 
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