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Grayson Allen - Oops I've Done It Again(Suspended indefinitely)

Here are Dook's next games. Pick the one you expect to see Trip's return. (* = away)

  • Virginia Tech*

    Votes: 6 8.5%
  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 21 29.6%
  • Boston College

    Votes: 6 8.5%
  • Florida State*

    Votes: 19 26.8%
  • Louisville*

    Votes: 16 22.5%
  • Miami

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • NC State

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Wake Forest*

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Notre Dame*

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • He's gone for good.

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Total voters
    71
There's no excuse for something like this.

I think my fellow UNC fans would agree with me in saying that if any one of our players did this he would deserve a suspension at minimum.
 
The ACC issued Trip a reprimand last season and this was the statement:


ACC Reprimands Duke's Grayson Allen
Reprimand Follows Thursday night's Florida State at Duke Game

GREENSBORO, N.C. (theACC.com) - The Atlantic Coast Conference announced today that it has issued a reprimand to Duke's Grayson Allen following Thursday night's Florida State at Duke men's basketball game.

The reprimand was issued following the review of the game by the league office, and is based on Allen's involvement in the tripping of Florida State's Xavier Rathan-Mayes at the end of the game.

The ACC considers the matter closed and will have no further comment.

http://www.streakingthelawn.com/201...on-allen-acc-reprimand-tripping-florida-state

Bottom line,Trip will get suspended by the ACC and it will be swift. I predict 3-5 games. The only thing that is in question is how many games. I will not go on my normal rant about K-Rat. I will save that for another day. Trip has ruined any chance he has of ever playing in the NBA. Luke West Kennard is a better NBA prospect and that is affecting Trip's attitude. K-Rat convinced Trip to come back for another season when he was a projected first round pick last season. This is not going end good folks. K-Rat is obviously trying to increase Trip's stats to keep him in the first round of the draft. It's two late. There is no valid reason why K-Rat put Trip back in the game after he tripped the Elon player. K-Rat is stuck between a rock and a hard space. Now, couple that with his ego! Bad news in Bedrock folks!
 
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Mark it down if the league don't do anything nothing will happen K won't do crap.

As if it wasn't already apparent this is a huge indictment on the character of the program and K!





Done warned another poster.keep it clean.
 
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While most sensible folks see the players actions and understand it, quite clearly....Dook is a private school and since Dook University is controlled by the LOM they lean heavily on the spoiled prep school ideals that they have come to love and we are witnessing first hand what the LOM's handling of this matter entails.
Makes an otherwise pretty good coach look like s*%t.
 
He said he was sorry, like he was sorry the first couple times, like he will be sorry the next couple times. He apologized to every one in that duke locker room, he did as much as he could to sound sincere, heck he may have even meant so portion of his apology. K was so upset that he pulled him from the game and made him sit for a minute or 2. K did WHAT?

Bad enough the kid is now known as a punk but I didn't think even K was so low that he would have put the kid back in that game, that just goes beyond words, the kid lacks the maturity to fully realize why what he did was so unacceptable but his coach should be held to a much higher standard. But putting him back in that game K sent the message that this was not all that bad, he can use all the right words after the game to justify but bottom line this is as clear a reflection on the coach as it is the player. Both deserve to be punished for this, Allen for the action and K for minimizing how serious this is and putting him right back in to the game.
 
Rat face cares more about Dillon Brooks celebrating after a win, then punishing his own player for tripping someone 3 times now. Apparently sitting 4 minutes to start the second half was punishment according to the hack.
 
I have known K to be a complete fake for decades... His speech to the media postgame was more of a "i will do whatever the hell i choose to discipline this matter and it's none of your business" than it was an admonishment of the kick. If he doesn't beat the ACC to the punch and announce a multi game suspension... It will not surprise me and will only reinforce my opinion as to the fraud he is. K mentioned with regard to further punishment being "not necessarily something you will be able to see"... I hope that this alludes to getting this punk counseling and possible medication for this embarrassing, unacceptable child like pattern of behavioral outbursts.
 
I have known K to be a complete fake for decades... His speech to the media postgame was more of a "i will do whatever the hell i choose to discipline this matter and it's none of your business" than it was an admonishment of the kick. If he doesn't beat the ACC to the punch and announce a multi game suspension... It will not surprise me and will only reinforce my opinion as to the fraud he is. K mentioned with regard to further punishment being "not necessarily something you will be able to see"... I hope that this alludes to getting this punk counseling and possible medication for this embarrassing, unacceptable child like pattern of behavioral outbursts.

When you see your coach work the refs like K does, constantly yelling and dropping the f bomb with no punishment, Allen probably thought he was untouchable too. Let's see if he is or not.
 
John Swofford and the ACC are a huge joke and frankly pathetic. Remember several years ago when a UNC football player ran into a Duke player pre snap. He was flagged 15 yards and was suspended a game. It was clearly intentional but the Duke receiver flopped. Yet, Allen trips now his 3rd player with nothing. That is a joke.

Not only should Allen be suspended, so should K. Dirtiest program in college basketball. We all know their coaching staff teaches that crap. Step up ACC. We know they will not.
 
I feel sure a suspension is coming this time. I fear it will only be one game though, and I think it should be much more. I can't stand Allen & certainly not trying to defend him, but I really read his tantrum as pissed at himself because he has a behavior he knows he can't control, not pissed that he got a technical & taken out of the game.
 
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His temper tantrum on the bench was comparable to a 16 year old girl that only got a 3 series BMW for her birthday instead of the 5 series she thought she deserved
His crying tantrum after the T, I thought was so embarrassing, it was hard to watch. Shameful. Just like Josh McRoberts, remember?

I get that kids are going to cry after they lose a huge game or when they play in their last game, but this is something entirely different. And something I would personally have major issues and discussions with my kids, if they did it past age 10.

Seems to be indicative of spoiled little elite punk brat kids that were never told no in their lives, were never accountable for anything, never thought the rules applied to them. You know, real high character young men you love to have on your team, and love to be around. A good foundation for the kid for the rest of his life. /sarc
 
I also enjoyed the Jefferson Flop where he took an elbow to the chin that knocked him down and had him rubbing his jaw for 2 minutes afterwards. But the video didnt show anything at all. Acting classes at Dook must be awesome.
 
This should come as no surprise to anyone who's watched d00k basketball under the "guidance" of the LOM. From Laettner stomping on a player when he was on the floor to Henderthug breaking Hans' nose to the routine leg whips and flops. It is SOP in Durham.

And when the LOM says "Henderson is the real victim here" and trys to defend Allen's actions, he's simply showing his true colors.
To wit, his comments to reporters following the latest incident:

"When you write a bad article, I would just expect you to call me and apologize, but you've never done that," Krzyzewski half-joked with a reporter, then continued. "I handle things the way I handle them, and I think I've handled this correctly, and moving forward I will continue to handle it correctly, and I don't need to satisfy what other people think that I should do. And I'm a teacher and a coach, and I'm responsible for that kid. So I know him better than anybody. So to think that it's the last thing said about this to him is wrong. Obviously we will do more. Doesn't mean you have to see it, or anybody else has to see it, but what he did tonight was right. That's what people do. They say they're sorry. They accept responsibility. They want to make sure that the other party knows that. Anyone else who wants to take shots about anything else -- about Duke and me or whatever -- go for it. Go for it. Because that's territory that I'm comfortable with."

The CBS article goes on to say:

This is not a good look for Krzyzewski. In trying to get his message across about knowing his player best, he also puts on an air of superiority. The last time Krzyzewski was this defensive in a postgame news conference, he wound up having to backtrack and apologize after video caught him admonishing Oregon's Dillon Brooks after the Ducks bounced Duke in the last season's NCAA Tournament.

So it's Allen's 3rd tripping incident and his coach get's defensive and makes it more about himself and how he runs his program than about getting a very troubled young man the help he needs. IOW, it's all about the LOM once again.

I've always admired the LOM's ability to coach, much as I admired Bobby Knight as a coach, though it's common knowledge that I think they're both royal arses. But I have to give Knight credit here, I don't think he would have allowed this to happen twice, let alone three times. He would have nipped it in the bud. This is as much an indictment of the LOM as it is Allen. He is the adult and as a self proclaimed "Leader of Men", he's responsible for addressing Allen's behavior in no uncertain terms and getting the young man help. As Bilas aluded, Allen's behavior is bizarre. He hinted that Allen needs counseling and I agree. He's not going to get help from the LOM, and that's a shame as well as a disgrace.
 
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Since he is a natural kicker, maybe he should try out for the football team. Or he could be a ninja. Not a lot of 6'5" ninja's so he could be in high demand. Or since his tantrum probably irritated his mangina, he could try out for the Rockettes.
 
His post trip actions are telling. The trip against the Elon player was as flagrant as it gets. Allen puts his palms up, shrugs, and acts like he hasn't got a clue as to what just took place. Did he really think he would get away with that?
 
"indefinite suspension" is all well and good but the act of putting the kid back in that game should have the ACC if not the NCAA giving the coach a reprimand. It is one thing to say today that he does not condone this type of action by his players but the act of putting him back in that game last night says he did condone it last night.
 
I'd bet a million dollars that he's back by the Louisville game. Which would make it 4 games.
 
His "indefinate suspension" will be one game. Someone please get a poll up.
 
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We already have a thread on this. Don't need another one. Can a Mod please combine the threads.
 
I would about bet that he wont make it 5 games after his return before he leg whips or trips someone else. May not be caught or called but that boy is a serial tripper .. "he just can't he'p it".
 
Go to DI and read some of the justification going on there. Some folks at least, recognize how bad Allen's actions were and actually think K has mishandled the situation.

Then you have this post from topps coach, a guy I used to respect:

"Worst thing is that it deflects the fact that UNC got another NOA.I hope that Grayson gets a well deserved suspension but it totally pisses me off that UNC fans are trying to claim any moral superiority.Forget about 25 years of cheating,two of DES players beat the hell out of aNC State student in a Raleigh bar They got a one game suspension btw the student they beat was a really small guy."

Talk about trying to deflect attention. I thought he was better than that. Unfortunately, I've learned very few of their posters are. Their fan base resembles State's more and more every day. Stay on DI, coach. We don't want to hear your hypocrisy over here.
 
It needs to be more then one game to fully have an impact at all ! I believe it will be three . This team is a mess right now and a once promising season is in ? You guys would wax us right now.
 
Slightly different take here. The kid has a problem. Take UNC vs Duke out of the equation, the kid has a problem. The conference, coach K, the NCAA had better take care of this with discipline before it ruins this young man's career in not only college BB but NBA as well. We have all seen many gifted players go on to destruction in the NBA because they lack the simple discipline to control themselves and produce the best they can be. Coach K - do you care enough about this young mans future to sit him down for a few games to make him a better man? Or is all about the W's and L's? Help him K. You, Duke BB, college BB, and more importantly Allen has much to gain by dealing with this head on rather than worrying about the early season results. Duke will be a force to deal with later in the year because of shear talent. Dealing with this issue will make Duke a better team and Allen a better player down the road. Show some guts Coach K.
Good post.

Anger management classes or straight-up therapy. If he does that and takes it seriously, he gets to resume playing. Otherwise not.

This kid would probably have gone in the first round last year. If he gets the help he needs, it will be good that he didn't. But if he doesn't, he just hurt his career badly.
 
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If you make FSU the first game back, you put him in a game where he tripped someone and got a reprimand last year.

If the FSU student body has any spunk, they will be goading him all game long.

Might be better to wait until Louisville to bring him back. Plus, they will need him for that game.

But that risks him being very rusty and out of sync with his teammates.
 
Money quotes from the ESPN article:

From The Rat:
"These things happen, and I'm responsible for that kid. I love that kid. A lot of crap has happened to him, and a lot of bad shots at him. That doesn't mean it's right for you to try and get back. Don't pay attention to it, but pay attention to the fact that you did something wrong and you let your team down."
[ed: nice hot take here, Rat.... we get it..... Allen is the really victim here....]


Teammate Matt Jones said he tried to console the emotional Allen afterward.
"I love Grayson. He's my brother," Jones said.

"I just gave him a really big hug, told him, 'I love you.' That's all that was, and let the silence kind of fill the void. There's nothing really you can say about it."

[ed: Well that's awesome. Man Hug U. If a "great big hug" from a teammate doesn't fix it, what will? How old are these "young men"? 2? 3? "looks like someone needs a hug". Wow, embarrassing. ]
 
This should come as no surprise to anyone who's watched d00k basketball under the "guidance" of the LOM. From Laettner stomping on a player when he was on the floor to Henderthug breaking Hans' nose to the routine leg whips and flops. It is SOP in Durham.

And when the LOM says "Henderson is the real victim here" and trys to defend Allen's actions, he's simply showing his true colors.
To wit, his comments to reporters following the latest incident:

"When you write a bad article, I would just expect you to call me and apologize, but you've never done that," Krzyzewski half-joked with a reporter, then continued. "I handle things the way I handle them, and I think I've handled this correctly, and moving forward I will continue to handle it correctly, and I don't need to satisfy what other people think that I should do. And I'm a teacher and a coach, and I'm responsible for that kid. So I know him better than anybody. So to think that it's the last thing said about this to him is wrong. Obviously we will do more. Doesn't mean you have to see it, or anybody else has to see it, but what he did tonight was right. That's what people do. They say they're sorry. They accept responsibility. They want to make sure that the other party knows that. Anyone else who wants to take shots about anything else -- about Duke and me or whatever -- go for it. Go for it. Because that's territory that I'm comfortable with."

The CBS article goes on to say:

This is not a good look for Krzyzewski. In trying to get his message across about knowing his player best, he also puts on an air of superiority. The last time Krzyzewski was this defensive in a postgame news conference, he wound up having to backtrack and apologize after video caught him admonishing Oregon's Dillon Brooks after the Ducks bounced Duke in the last season's NCAA Tournament.

So it's Allen's 3rd tripping incident and his coach get's defensive and makes it more about himself and how he runs his program than about getting a very troubled young man the help he needs. IOW, it's all about the LOM once again.

I've always admired the LOM's ability to coach, much as I admired Bobby Knight as a coach, though it's common knowledge that I think they're both royal arses. But I have to give Knight credit here, I don't think he would have allowed this to happen twice, let alone three times. He would have nipped it in the bud. This is as much an indictment of the LOM as it is Allen. He is the adult and as a self proclaimed "Leader of Men", he's responsible for addressing Allen's behavior in no uncertain terms and getting the young man help. As Bilas aluded, Allen's behavior is bizarre. He hinted that Allen needs counseling and I agree. He's not going to get help from the LOM, and that's a shame as well as a disgrace.

You read anything The Rat has said over the last X years including the above response to the media, you can tell he knows he is untouchable, and he abuses / exploits this sad fact.

He is so idolized in much of the media. Barf. He is a brilliant coach, but I don't think he is of great character. Over the top obsessive control freak, narcissist, win at any costs, intimidator, etc.

And anyone who thinks something substantial regarding suspensions is coming from the ACC or NCAA just isn't paying attention.

When it comes to the Rat and Dook basketball, the ACC / NCAA are torn between:
1) servicing The Rat
2) whimpering in the corner in the fetal position

They worship him, and yet are afraid to death of him.
 
None of this is the least little bit of shocking! Everyone knew he would do it again sooner or later. After his suspension, he will do it again as soon as someone shows him up! The young man has emotional problems that are exacerbated by ratty's insistence that they do anything to win.

This is the end result when you combine an unethical, win-at-all-costs coach who teaches his peeps to skirt the rules and antagonize opponents with an emotionally disturbed youngster that has self-control issues.

Stay tuned folks, this will just get worse! There is no telling what this young man is capable of and it is clear that ratty just encourages the worst in him!
 
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Go to DI and read some of the justification going on there. Some folks at least, recognize how bad Allen's actions were and actually think K has mishandled the situation.

Then you have this post from topps coach, a guy I used to respect:

"Worst thing is that it deflects the fact that UNC got another NOA.I hope that Grayson gets a well deserved suspension but it totally pisses me off that UNC fans are trying to claim any moral superiority.Forget about 25 years of cheating,two of DES players beat the hell out of aNC State student in a Raleigh bar They got a one game suspension btw the student they beat was a really small guy."

Talk about trying to deflect attention. I thought he was better than that. Unfortunately, I've learned very few of their posters are. Their fan base resembles State's more and more every day. Stay on DI, coach. We don't want to hear your hypocrisy over here.

Ken (topps) is a great guy, as good a friend as I could ever ask for but he is letting his hate for all things UNC cloud his thinking in this, I am used to it but those of you that do not know him personally I can understand your not being able to seperate his dukie love from the man I know him to be. He is trying to deflect what Allen did, in a sense justify it by saying our athletes have done as bad or worse and no matter it is just the wrong stance to take.
 
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