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You've got to be trolling, because I can't imagine there is someone out there over the age of 5 that doesn't get this concept. If you put more cars on the road during the school year, then the traffic will be worse. Your commute in the summer is irrelevant to the debate of cars vs buses during school year. Your summer commute would be the same either way.
The earth would also end in 6 months because of the extra emissions.
 
I’m not saying that you have the capacity to understand it, but the next work day after school let’s out for summer traffic to and from my place of employment moves considerably faster. I have lived here for 12 years and this is the case year in year out without exception.
You're comparing the wrong things. You are supposed to be comparing cars during the school year vs buses during the school year. The reason it's faster for you during the summer is because there are less vehicles on the road. If you put more vehicles on the road during the school year, then traffic will be worse. Your one hour commute will now be 30 minutes longer. It's a really simple concept to grasp.
 
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"From 2008 to 2017, about 70% of the deaths in school bus-related crashes were occupants of vehicles other than the school bus, and 17% were pedestrians. About 6% were school bus passengers, 4% were school bus drivers and 3% were pedalcyclists."

Sounds like the bus is safer.


So 15 cars instead of 30.


Based on the number of accidents and bad drivers, they aren't used to navigating through cars.


Fight fire with fire.


Yeah, because that would be really easy for a five year old.


I don't get why you want to go to war over this. Logic tells anyone that a vehicle without the same safety equipment as another vehicle is going to be less safe. Sure, buses travel at slower speeds making crashes less frequent and impactful. But that doesn't take into account other drivers. Plus, we haven't factored in the driving capabilities of the drivers.

But fine, let's say school buses are the safest mode of transportation. They're driven by the dregs of society. People who have no business being in charge of children are in charge of children. They're often less educated, poor decision making, bozos who have little to no investment in their job because they don't get paid shit.

And to my last point, there was a time when there were no school buses. 5 year olds got to school then. I don't know how and I don't really care. If the parent wants to get them an education, they'll find a way. If not, then fine, don't force kids to go to school.

But obviously buses aren't going anywhere. My kids spend minimal time on them. The only time my kids ride a bus is for a field trip or an athletic trip and even then, my wife and I often go on those trips, in part, so my kids don't have to ride a bus. But also, my kids go to a private school where I know the people that would be driving the bus. So I'm going to be more comfortable with my bus driver than I would be with some public school district employee that I don't know.

And we didn't even mention the bullying, drug use and general negative behavior that kids engage in on a largely unsupervised school bus. But whatever, if you feel good about putting your kids in that environment, that's on you.
 
Ok I guess dick wins this thread by managing to have an absolutely idiotic take and not only doubling down to defend it but even getting a lackey jump in to support it with irrelevant and anecdotal "evidence."

I'm sorry. I like my kids and therefore won't willingly put them in harms way. You do whatever you want with your kids.
 
Problems with behavior, staffing etc. are just that, problems with the system that certainly could stand to be addressed. Along with lots of other issues with our educational system.

But that doesn't mean scrapping school buses entirely is the answer. Educating children, even the poor ones, is to the benefit of society, and providing a transportation option to those who otherwise wouldn't have one is an important component of ensuring access to education.
I'm sorry. I like my kids and therefore won't willingly put them in harms way. You do whatever you want with your kids.
My kids don't ride the bus. I'd have to get up even earlier and f that.
 
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Problems with behavior, staffing etc. are just that, problems with the system that certainly could stand to be addressed. Along with lots of other issues with our educational system.
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Right. I'm I'm identifying one of the most problematic areas. They're dangerous. Nothing good happens on a bus. Nothing.
 
I fingered Holly Sturgill on a bus trip to King's Island, so I respectfully disagree.

You could have fingered her in a car even better. Probably would have even gotten a handjob too. Or imagine if y'all had walked to school. You could have nailed her in the woods.
 
You're comparing the wrong things. You are supposed to be comparing cars during the school year vs buses during the school year. The reason it's faster for you during the summer is because there are less vehicles on the road. If you put more vehicles on the road during the school year, then traffic will be worse. Your one hour commute will now be 30 minutes longer. It's a really simple concept to grasp.
You’re also assuming that more cars and no buses equates to the same traffic conditions, as with buses. There again you are wrong. Cars are not traveling bus routes, they are moving directly from home to school and back. Additionally cars will not be making bus stops and are, as ‘Dick’ says, infinitely more maneuverable than the buses.
 
You’re also assuming that more cars and no buses equates to the same traffic conditions, as with buses. There again you are wrong. Cars are not traveling bus routes, they are moving directly from home to school and back. Additionally cars will not be making bus stops and are, as ‘Dick’ says, infinitely more maneuverable than the buses.

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You’re also assuming that more cars and no buses equates to the same traffic conditions, as with buses. There again you are wrong. Cars are not traveling bus routes, they are moving directly from home to school and back. Additionally cars will not be making bus stops and are, as ‘Dick’ says, infinitely more maneuverable than the buses.
Most of the increase in traffic during the school year is due to cars, not buses. Parents like @Terror Beard driving their kids to school instead of putting them on buses, which reduce traffic.
 
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I don't get why you want to go to war over this. Logic tells anyone that a vehicle without the same safety equipment as another vehicle is going to be less safe. Sure, buses travel at slower speeds making crashes less frequent and impactful. But that doesn't take into account other drivers. Plus, we haven't factored in the driving capabilities of the drivers.
I'm not going to war. I'm discussing an issue. It's not my fault that your "logic" is incorrect.

But fine, let's say school buses are the safest mode of transportation. They're driven by the dregs of society. People who have no business being in charge of children are in charge of children. They're often less educated, poor decision making, bozos who have little to no investment in their job because they don't get paid shit.
I've already agreed with this. It would be a better solution to get better drivers.

And to my last point, there was a time when there were no school buses. 5 year olds got to school then. I don't know how and I don't really care. If the parent wants to get them an education, they'll find a way. If not, then fine, don't force kids to go to school.
Ok. Then don't get upset when those kids have to be on welfare when they become adults because they don't know how to function in society. All because you thought a bus was ugly.

And we didn't even mention the bullying, drug use and general negative behavior that kids engage in on a largely unsupervised school bus. But whatever, if you feel good about putting your kids in that environment, that's on you.
Right, because that stuff only happens on a bus. Everything is perfect once they get to school.
 
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You’re also assuming that more cars and no buses equates to the same traffic conditions, as with buses. There again you are wrong. Cars are not traveling bus routes, they are moving directly from home to school and back. Additionally cars will not be making bus stops and are, as ‘Dick’ says, infinitely more maneuverable than the buses.
Wow you are dense. I refuse to believe that you don't understand this issue. More cars automatically equals more traffic. @Raising Heel dropped the mic on your asinine argument with this post.

 
I'm not going to war. I'm discussing an issue. It's not my fault that your "logic" is incorrect.
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Do you have any hot takes of your own to share or are you just trying to once again prove that you'll argue with anyone over anything. Are you a teenage boy?

I've already agreed with this. It would be a better solution to get better drivers.
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Yeah, because good, responsible people are lining up for a shit job that pays shit money. It should be no problem at all to find some competent people to do this.

Ok. Then don't get upset when those kids have to be on welfare when they become adults because they don't know how to function in society. All because you thought a bus was ugly.
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I will get upset. So it's on me to either see top it that everybody gets to school or I have to pick up the slack when they don't? It's crazy to think that we would expect people to get themselves to school to better their lives.

Right, because that stuff only happens on a bus. Everything is perfect once they get to school.

Well, since it's already happening everywhere we should do nothing to curb the behavior in a place where it happens most? And you were making fun of my "logic". lol
 
Wow you are dense. I refuse to believe that you don't understand this issue. More cars automatically equals more traffic. @Raising Heel dropped the mic on your asinine argument with this post.
Yes in the ‘pure’ sense more cars does mean more traffic. I like your word play there, but more traffic does not mean longer travel times. All traffic is not created equal.
 
Do you have any hot takes of your own to share or are you just trying to once again prove that you'll argue with anyone over anything. Are you a teenage boy?
I've already shared my hot takes in the thread. You apparently don't understand the difference between a debate and arguing. Arguing is what you and @strummingram do when you just go back and forth insulting each other. That hasn't happened (yet) in this conversation.

Yeah, because good, responsible people are lining up for a shit job that pays shit money. It should be no problem at all to find some competent people to do this.
That's a problem that needs to be solved. You are creating multiple problems by getting rid of buses. Let's just solve problems instead of creating them.

I will get upset. So it's on me to either see top it that everybody gets to school or I have to pick up the slack when they don't? It's crazy to think that we would expect people to get themselves to school to better their lives.
It's crazy to think an elementary school student should be able to get themselves to school on their own.

Well, since it's already happening everywhere we should do nothing to curb the behavior in a place where it happens most?
That's a problem that needs to be solved. You are creating multiple problems by getting rid of buses. Let's just solve problems instead of creating them.
 
I've already shared my hot takes in the thread. You apparently don't understand the difference between a debate and arguing. Arguing is what you and @strummingram do when you just go back and forth insulting each other. That hasn't happened (yet) in this conversation.


That's a problem that needs to be solved. You are creating multiple problems by getting rid of buses. Let's just solve problems instead on creating them.


It's crazy to think an elementary school student should be able to get themselves to school on their own.


That's a problem that needs to be solved. You are creating multiple problems by getting rid of buses. Let's just solve problems instead on creating them.

Soooo, you have no solutions? You're just arguing, err, debating against mine. Yep, you're definitely a teenage boy.
 
Soooo, you have no solutions? You're just arguing, err, debating against mine. Yep, you're definitely a teenage boy.
Solutions for what? Hiring better drivers or bulling? That's not really what the point of the discussion has been focused on, but we can change topics if you want.
 
This is the most important sentence that's been written in this debate (debate, right?). If 50 cars can all do 55 mph, that's better than a bus and 10 cars doing 25 mph. But let's see how @tarheel0910 argues against that.
Can't argue against that. It's simple logic that 50 cars in close proximity will always drive perfectly and will always go the speed limit. That's why big cities never have traffic.
 
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Solutions for what? Hiring better drivers or bulling? That's not really what the point of the discussion has been focused on, but we can change topics if you want.

I'm over it. You're being obtuse now and frankly, I don't care enough because my kids don't ride a bus. I'll pray for your kids.
 
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