It’s a long list that grows longer by the week. Beating this Heels team isn’t something that bolsters your resume in any meaningful way
Hubert Davis
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No, it’s a good thought but I think Roy is enjoying retirement and all that drove him to retire is as bad or worse. I don’t think he’d ever come back at this point in his life but sure wouldn’t with current nil and transfer bs.
I agree that Roy likely would not come back at this point. But I can't help but wonder what his thoughts are about the program. He seems to be at most games, so he knows what is going on. Has he spoken with Hubert, and if so what has been said?
Maybe we could lure K out of retirement for couple of years & he could show unc the ropes on recruiting top players legally now !! LoL
Kelvin is from Pembrook, plyed at UNC-Pembrook , has always been proud to be from the state of NC as well as his Lumbee heritage. He has family allover Roberson county, I think he has a home still in NC. Rumor I have always heard is that UNC was his dream job but never felt he had a shot at it. He has had some "run ins" with the NCAA in his past back when the NCAA was actually enforcing their rules. He does have a son and a daughter that work in the Houston athletic dept but they could easy come with.
Much like Calhoun did for UConn, Kelvin has made that Houston job a great job, it wasn't all that when he took it. I think he would love to come home to finish out his career with the flagship school of his home state. Top of my list for sure.
Anyone not tied to the UNC family would be better than what this team has. Coach can't coach, time for a change.
What's the chances of we lose to ND tomorrow they send him walking. I think if we lose 3 of the next 3 or 2 of the next 3 he could be in trouble.
I'm still wondering why there hasn't been a team-only meeting. Or has there and we just haven't heard about it?
If not, does that mean the team feels good about the coaching they are receiving? I mean, maybe they think Hubert and company are doing a good job.
Let's face it, if you're on the team you probably know its shortcomings better than we do. Maybe they think Hubert is getting all he can out of this squad at this point in time, and that they are heading in the right direction.
Anyone have insider dope?
If not, does that mean the team feels good about the coaching they are receiving? I mean, maybe they think Hubert and company are doing a good job.
Let's face it, if you're on the team you probably know its shortcomings better than we do. Maybe they think Hubert is getting all he can out of this squad at this point in time, and that they are heading in the right direction.
Anyone have insider dope?
Does the change in football apply more or less pressure to Hubert/basketball? I say more since it’s such a dominant part of the brand. That makes me think it’s possible that if the POB see recruiting way off and results on the court going the wrong direction that a change might actually take place.
If we’re entertaining the “why would he leave” scenario, the luster of the UNC job based on the last 6 years (yes, including Roy’s last 2) is probably as low as it’s possibly ever been over that long of a time period… so you could make that argument that no coaches from any perennial NCAAT schools would want it.
It’s very plausible that the majority of the names people will throw out on here would likely say thanks but no thanks. I don’t think the job would be fawned over the way many on here think.
you are right, and that was my argument from the start when Hubcaps was hired. if it doesn’t work, you have set yourself back at least 5 years and hope that he didn’t run it down to the point where it’s not appealing. sadly, i think we are in that scenario where it’s not what it once was.
The person who IMO always has the best inside info about the progrum is @bleeduncblue - if he cares to weigh in. I think he knows people in the office and some big time boosters quite well and what they are thinking and saying
Many of us that disliked the hire also liked Hubert personally. None of this is an attack on his character, he just simply wasn’t qualified and should have never been handed the keys to this job. Now 4 years later we are swimming in mediocrity, poor roster construction and playing disorganized basketball with another double digit loss season coming. This isn’t Carolina basketball and this isn’t was success looks like. Carolina can either cut bait this year or prolong what appears to be inevitable.
You just cannot allow a program to sink further unless you’re absolutely confident a 180 turnaround is happening.
You just cannot allow a program to sink further unless you’re absolutely confident a 180 turnaround is happening.
I do not have a lot of info that I trust enough to pass along publicly, but I will say that Hubert is benefiting from the Belichick hire as it is currently taking attention off the bball struggles, to some degree. However, it's a 2 edged sword bc NIL is going up across the board and Hubert and staff will be expected to pick up their portal skill IMMENSELY in the off-season.
Along with the NIL increase is going to come staff expectations beyond the Head Coach. We will see a bball GM hired and some staff changes, for sure. There are 2 scenarios at play: UNC misses the NCAAT and the entire staff is replaced. Or UNC makes the NCAAT, Hubert is retained but his staff is changed to some degree. There is zero chance we have the same set of coaches on the bench next season.
Jay Wright will be #1. And don't let "retirement" fool you.
Appreciate you chiming in. You’re an old timer on this site like myself. Always appreciated your insight from within the basketball office.
Yep..no way would I play in this system as a great big.
Set picks all day. No thanks.
Serious question or thought here. Is Hubert really a bad coach or has been just been handicapped by the lack of NIL money? Let me expand. It has been well noted that UNC hasn’t been so forth coming with the NIL money in both BB and FB over the years. So assuming that changes and Hubert and co can and will be able to dish out more money to attract bigger/better players will that help him coach better? Also, will guys wanna come and play for him if given the fact his lack of experience and subpar performances. Now I don’t know who in their right mind wouldn’t want to come to CH in the first place. But for example that guy at dook has no experience either but seems to be able to get top notch players to come mainly outta high school but they do come. So with better talent would that offset Hubert’s coaching blunders as it seems to help down at dook. Without more NIL money it’s gonna be hard for any coach to win and be competitive like we are accustomed to.
It would be a hard no to Penny or Stack for me.
It would be a home run hire.
If they can convince Jay Wright, then they should fire Hubert at that exact moment. If this UNC team were undefeated right now, I would probably still say the same thing.
I believe Jay Wright has always had an affinity for North Carolina. You can tell the way he speaks about the program and team. I always loved the way he recruits. The type of players. If Jay Wright can embrace the portal and NIL he is no.1 on my list.
Wonder if there will be talks with recruits that have decided not to come and some on the fence of what their thoughts of coming if Hubert is gone or if say a Jay Wright is coming in. I really feel like there isn't going to be much left after the season. I think we lose lots to the portal if Hubert is back, and just alot for other reasons. Maybe some of these that can come back will if Hubert is gone.
RJ (out of eligibility)
Seth
Jackson (NBA)
Powell (not used right)
EC (thinks he is better than he is)
Washington (not good enough for UNC thinks he will be better somewhere else)
RJ (out of eligibility)
Seth
Jackson (NBA)
Powell (not used right)
EC (thinks he is better than he is)
Washington (not good enough for UNC thinks he will be better somewhere else)
If Powell goes anywhere it’s the NBA .. how is he not being used right? His game is very similar to Nas Little cause offensively he’s not that polished but super athletic. Nas played the 4 just to get him on floor which is exactly why Drake is getting time there
After playing I still believe it’s more the jimmys & joes than the X’s & O’s … Look there are coaches that can do more with less but Unc shouldn’t have to worry about having less but here we are while Dook continues to recruit over their top 20 kids..no denying HD has done a piss poor job this year mostly because of the roster deficiencies but HD was responsible for putting the roster together. His loyalty and trust in jalen has backfired but I too thought he would make a big jump but the kid can’t seem to keep his balance & gets pushed all over place. I also think Zayden High could have really helped this team with rebuilding & toughness.. its just not a well put together roster, while talented 2 starters are barely 6 feet tall & the 2 best players are both freshman.. the ceiling for this team is probably the sweet sixteen but they aren’t even there unless they figure it out. At some point players gotta make plays.. Heck if EC doesn’t blow an open layup they beat MSU.. if Seth plays they beat Louisville as he would have locked up the transfer from Wisconsin..
Scathing article on Wes at Cincinnati after the boo birds went wild at the Kansas game, with a 15 point second half for their 5th straight conference loss. Be careful what you wished for. Wes went full "if you aren't with us you are against us" to the fan base who hit the point of boos.
The article says how likable he is, can recruit, given the money to, but how ill prepared he was for this level of competition. Could you imagine at UNC level, as many wanted.
It is a major meltdown there after 3 and a half years of bad basketball that has not met the standard at Cincinnati, with a highly touted roster this year, was make or break. Coaching at a big time level is tough, but sheesh, let's have perspective. I'm rooting for Wes, but he looks like Archie Miller at IU, over his head at a big time level. Yet we have people that say he was more qualified than Hubert for the position.
Let's hope Hubert doesn't get to the point that he barks " those fans that complain aren't with us, they are against us".
The article says how likable he is, can recruit, given the money to, but how ill prepared he was for this level of competition. Could you imagine at UNC level, as many wanted.
It is a major meltdown there after 3 and a half years of bad basketball that has not met the standard at Cincinnati, with a highly touted roster this year, was make or break. Coaching at a big time level is tough, but sheesh, let's have perspective. I'm rooting for Wes, but he looks like Archie Miller at IU, over his head at a big time level. Yet we have people that say he was more qualified than Hubert for the position.
Let's hope Hubert doesn't get to the point that he barks " those fans that complain aren't with us, they are against us".
That is not happening.
Beard needs to be the call, period. But he won’t be because of his baggage and we’ll end up with some other mid option.
If he barked, it finally show some fire many don’t believe he has.
I would suggest that the last couple games (Hubert) have thrown a little cold water on that hot seat.
The last couple games I have not been nearly as critical as what I have seen this season, some things I would like to see changed but this team seems to be moving in a different direction now, glad to see that.
The last couple games I have not been nearly as critical as what I have seen this season, some things I would like to see changed but this team seems to be moving in a different direction now, glad to see that.
Yes but I don't think we can overlook the quality of the team we beat the last couple of games, and I'm sure people that make the calls is also looking at those facts
And I think it should depend on who UNC can hire. If they can get an elite college coach who has won at a prominent program, I probably don't care what Hubert does for the remainder of the season. I understand that if Hubert makes the second weekend of the tournament this season, he's coming back regardless of anyone's opinion here. My point is even if Hubert has a run in the tournament and you have a chance to upgrade, I take that chance and I don't look back.
If you discover that Hubert is the best coach you can hire for UNC, then he's the coach at UNC.
I do find it strange how different the mood is after a pretty fortunate win at Notre Dame, a good complete performance against SMU, and a nail biter win at NC State. UCLA is also in freefall right now so that win may turn out to be empteir in a couple of months. But it's strange to me how the expectations and goal posts have shifted this year.
If the Heels had lost the ND and State games, holy crap it would be brutal right now.
Squeaking out 2 road wins over weak teams is keeping Hubert's seat from scorching his arse right now.
I don't think the seat has cooled. As mentioned above, we played a few not so good teams, 1 of which we beat by a bucket. We aren't setting the world on fire even against teams we have far superior talent to. Hubert is not a good coach. A few wins that we otherwise would never even mention as they'd usually be expected, certainly don't take the temperature down on that seat.
and sadly, I think many, like myself are just apathetic to the portion of our fan base that has grown complacent with double digit loss seasons like it's been acceptable here....NEVER but it is now.
I have a question from the state game, think it was Cadeau put up a shot that was blocked, the refs called goal tend but waited to review it until the next dead ball? How can you do that? If the goal tend stands, as it did, then like any made basket the ball is given to the other team but if they did not uphold the goal tend, it is like any other block, up for grabs for either team to claim. But waiting to review after additional play has happened, had they ruled it not a goal tend they still had already given the ball to the wuffies and UNC was given no ability to board it, that isn't right. For this reason I thought for a call to be changed it had to be reviewed right then, that it could not be reviewed after additional play as gone on. They can for a 3pt vs a 2 pt fairly, that is just either putting an additional pt on the board or taking one off, no harm and fair.
I asked the same question in the game thread on 4 corners. I don't think anyone replied, but I don't understand that reviewing a GT call during a dead-ball either. IIRC, state recovered the ball anyway or maybe we knocked it OOB's, but what if a Heel had gotten possession, and then later it was determined to be a block instead? It's messed up that they would take two points away; and then Heels would've lost the points AND the possession. Unless someone knows some different rule that we're not aware of, that's pretty jacked up.
