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Hubert has to Go!

GoNtheDistance

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the comedy of this program continuing to pretend like Hubert isn’t the problem is honestly so off putting at this point that i’m almost to the point that I hope we go winless if that means it forces the powers that be to make a change most all feared or knew would happen the minute we hired him undeservingly. we are a joke at this point and another mediocre season won’t change that.
 
the comedy of this program continuing to pretend like Hubert isn’t the problem is honestly so off putting at this point that i’m almost to the point that I hope we go winless if that means it forces the powers that be to make a change most all feared or knew would happen the minute we hired him undeservingly. we are a joke at this point and another mediocre season won’t change that.
The committee gifting us a spot in the tournament was the worse thing that could have happened to us.

Making the dance 3 out of 4 years looks way better than making it only 2 of 4 even if this year we didn't deserve to be in.
 
"God grant me the ability to accept the things I can not change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference".

Like it, don't like it, doesn't matter guys, Hubert is back for next season, it is what it is. All these continued Hubert has to go threads are doing is giving this fan base a bad look for any recruit or someone from his circle looking in. We have already seen Cadeau's brother talk about being turned off of UNC because of UNC fans on social media, I know that was nothing but an excuse but still it invites others to look to see if it is real.

You are going to have to move on at some point, put last season in the history books and start looking at where we go from here rather than wallow in doom and gloom? I happen to agree with you, I feel like the best for us would have been for Hubert to not continue on as our coach but he is and I have accepted that he is knowing that all eyes will be on him to see if he deserves more than just next season, his seat will be red hot from game 1 next season, just have to see how it goes..
 
"God grant me the ability to accept the things I can not change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference".

Like it, don't like it, doesn't matter guys, Hubert is back for next season, it is what it is. All these continued Hubert has to go threads are doing is giving this fan base a bad look for any recruit or someone from his circle looking in. We have already seen Cadeau's brother talk about being turned off of UNC because of UNC fans on social media, I know that was nothing but an excuse but still it invites others to look to see if it is real.

You are going to have to move on at some point, put last season in the history books and start looking at where we go from here rather than wallow in doom and gloom? I happen to agree with you, I feel like the best for us would have been for Hubert to not continue on as our coach but he is and I have accepted that he is knowing that all eyes will be on him to see if he deserves more than just next season, his seat will be red hot from game 1 next season, just have to see how it goes..
My fear is he does just enough to not be fired and he ends up around for the next 10 years without ever getting over the hump.

See Tom Izzo, that's a perfect example what I fear!
 
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My fear is he does just enough to not be fired and he ends up around for the next 10 years without ever getting over the hump.

See Tom Izzo, that's a perfect example what I fear!
Agreed - that is a major concern. Him being an alum and backed by Roy makes him difficult to fire if he swims in mediocrity every year. It’s the worst case scenario for the fans and program. He need to kill it or fail badly. Make the decision so obvious that no AD would mess it up.
 
"God grant me the ability to accept the things I can not change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference".

Like it, don't like it, doesn't matter guys, Hubert is back for next season, it is what it is. All these continued Hubert has to go threads are doing is giving this fan base a bad look for any recruit or someone from his circle looking in. We have already seen Cadeau's brother talk about being turned off of UNC because of UNC fans on social media, I know that was nothing but an excuse but still it invites others to look to see if it is real.

You are going to have to move on at some point, put last season in the history books and start looking at where we go from here rather than wallow in doom and gloom? I happen to agree with you, I feel like the best for us would have been for Hubert to not continue on as our coach but he is and I have accepted that he is knowing that all eyes will be on him to see if he deserves more than just next season, his seat will be red hot from game 1 next season, just have to see how it goes..
I get where you’re coming from D but the fact is none of us have to support the program this season, in what I view as a wasted year since I believe we all know HD will never be a top coach. I’ve been to multiple games at DES every season for the last 15 or so but that 4+ hours round trip may not make sense this coming season. I know they don’t care that’s not my point. HD hasn’t shown the best ability to build a team throughout the season and I can’t imagine he will be better starting with so much pressure. If they need to let a player find their way (like JWit did) to be what they can be at the end how could he take a patient approach?
 
Mediocrity!!!! lol

Yea.... right..... this is the same bunch of fans that will jump if the season is TOP 10.
Lots of things involved other than coaching... in the past 3-4 years....

We could have had 10-12 million dollars to spread around like Duke. Talent is talent... money is money.... Money buys talent.
 
@nashblue, not here to pick a fight, just another ingredient to add to the mix on what will become the Hubert Davis cake.

I agree you have to have talent to win. We HAD some talent. Some ran out of eligibility, some left for what they believe to be greener pastures. Of course we all saw the disparity between our team and REALLY good ($$$) teams and not ALL of that falls on the coach but, my question is this....

From an X's & O's standpoint, from a game management, preparation and adjustments standpoint, from a use of talent we DO have standpoint, do you think Hubert Davis has performed at a level deserving to get the head coach of the University of North Carolina? He's the only man in the room when it comes to decisions and results many don't feel are up to par.

I am included in that group.
 
If not Hubert, than whom?
Who is it there that we know is better?
Without an available proven commodity, I would not want to take the chance on an unknown.
Even Matt Dougherty seemed like a sure thing.
 
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If not Hubert, than whom?
Who is it there that we know is better?
Without an available proven commodity, I would not want to take the chance on an unknown.
Even Matt Dougherty seemed like a sure thing.
What? Dough never to anyone with a brain thought Dough was a sure thing. He was a last resort when Roy didn't leave Kansas.

We took a chance with an unknown when we hired Hubert, well to some it might have been unknown but I had no doubt it was a bad hire and this was 100% where we was headed.
 
If not Hubert, than whom?
Who is it there that we know is better?
Without an available proven commodity, I would not want to take the chance on an unknown.
Even Matt Dougherty seemed like a sure thing.
To me, this is exactly the wrong way to approach it. Once you know your coach isn't up to par, there are dozens who would make more sense. There are almost zero proven coaches in the current environment because the current environment is at most 2 years old. Tom Izzo hasn't done anything in the current environment. But there are literally dozens of coaches who have shown a better handle on getting more out of the talent they have than HD. In the portal/pay player era the coach is the only constant. Settling for someone who has proven they aren't one of best at that is insane to me. UNC going into the season thinking its coach has to prove he belongs is insane to me, and I think it will make his weaknesses worse regardless of roster.
 
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I suspect hiring HD was an experiment and the leadership committed to giving him time to develop for the long term. Additionally, learning on the job was an accepted path and unfortunately, it seems the world is not as patient given what's been on display for four years. I keep thinking, at some point, could HD and staff actually get this program out of mediocracy and develop into a quality coach at this level? So far the data says probably not and I tend to agree. Also, I understand those calling for his head but should he get another year or two? Personally I'm on the fence so it would be cool to actually continue this debate. Unless the program is willing to pay for quality coaching and commit to doing what it takes to lure top quality, then keeping HD is safe. Lastly, this baloney about keeping it "in house" is totally absurd.
 
I'm all for giving somebody a chance. Unfortunately, we do not have a coach that says hey, we've got some things to clean up, we need to make some improvements in roster makeup, it starts with me, that's on me. Instead we've got a coach who has dug his heels in and rattles off coaching cliche after coaching cliche to buy time during pressers. By UNC standards, this isn't good, at all. Making the NCAA tournament is now the benchmark for Hubert? Are you f'n kidding me? In years past, conference championships was a baseline, with Final 4's and National Titles being the goal. My goodness how we have fallen at the hands of an incompetent coach and chick sh*t leadership not willing to make a tough decision after an experiment has failed. Sick of it.
 
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And Andrew is doing his job by posting all the folks we have interest in within the portal. Read his responses to threads on here where even he will confirm, a good portion of these folks we have interest in, have shown very little to luke warm interest in our program right now under Hubert. That's alarming.
 
I get where you’re coming from D but the fact is none of us have to support the program this season, in what I view as a wasted year since I believe we all know HD will never be a top coach. I’ve been to multiple games at DES every season for the last 15 or so but that 4+ hours round trip may not make sense this coming season. I know they don’t care that’s not my point. HD hasn’t shown the best ability to build a team throughout the season and I can’t imagine he will be better starting with so much pressure. If they need to let a player find their way (like JWit did) to be what they can be at the end how could he take a patient approach?
I agree, it is an individual choice to support the program or not, isn't it great to live in sch a country as we do where we all still have individual choice and the freedom to express it. Al I ask is if one chooses to not support the UNC program maybe don't trash it like a NC State fan would.

The reality is there are very few and may not any fans that are willing to trash the program if it helps getting Hubert fired, would sing his praises if next season we go in to the NCAAT as a #1 seed. Loyalty is a word that means a heck of a lot to me, it is a word that now days seems to mean little to far to many. Seems now days everything is disposable, like everything has a short shelf life.
 
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I'm all for giving somebody a chance. Unfortunately, we do not have a coach that says hey, we've got some things to clean up, we need to make some improvements in roster makeup, it starts with me, that's on me. Instead we've got a coach who has dug his heels in and rattles off coaching cliche after coaching cliche to buy time during pressers.
Man that is spot on, well said...
 
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I'm all for giving somebody a chance. Unfortunately, we do not have a coach that says hey, we've got some things to clean up, we need to make some improvements in roster makeup, it starts with me, that's on me. Instead we've got a coach who has dug his heels in and rattles off coaching cliche after coaching cliche to buy time during pressers. By UNC standards, this isn't good, at all. Making the NCAA tournament is now the benchmark for Hubert? Are you f'n kidding me? In years past, conference championships was a baseline, with Final 4's and National Titles being the goal. My goodness how we have fallen at the hands of an incompetent coach and chick sh*t leadership not willing to make a tough decision after an experiment has failed. Sick of it.
One of the things that puzzles me is Hubert had spent so much time in the media but doesn't seem to care (or know) how to speak on the podium. And I think it's clearly intentional because during in-game interviews, he doesn't get into coach speak. He will say "we weren't ready to fight to start the game" or "we're just not tough enough." Something happens during press conferences where he doesn't say anything.

And this may not mean anything in terms of coaching. I'm just accustomed to coaches saying "that was unacceptable. That performance doesn't live up to the standards of UNC basketball that we expect out of ourselves. And that starts with me as the head coach. I will get back to work and our team will get back to work to correct things" after the first Duke game for instance.

It gets redundant and somewhat annoying after the kind of season they had. But I'm just confused with how much coach speak he gives after being in the media for as long as he was.
 
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The committee gifting us a spot in the tournament was the worse thing that could have happened to us.

Making the dance 3 out of 4 years looks way better than making it only 2 of 4 even if this year we didn't deserve to be in.
Mark my words, when it comes time to decide to fire him or not next year, the first excuse out of the mouths of the UNC talking heads will be "He's only missed the tournament one time!"
 
And Andrew is doing his job by posting all the folks we have interest in within the portal. Read his responses to threads on here where even he will confirm, a good portion of these folks we have interest in, have shown very little to luke warm interest in our program right now under Hubert. That's alarming.
I watch the podcast from time to time that Andrew is on and i get the impression that Andrew isn't thrilled with Hubert either.
 
I watch the podcast from time to time that Andrew is on and i get the impression that Andrew isn't thrilled with Hubert either.

he’s not. anybody with a pulse that has been around high level college athletics will tell you this is a dumpster fire that we have the lid on. not sure why.
 
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Mark my words, when it comes time to decide to fire him or not next year, the first excuse out of the mouths of the UNC talking heads will be "He's only missed the tournament one time!"
100% and i questioned his idea to be involved with the Sports Illustrated cover before the season after making the National Championship game.

There wasn't a player on the roster that could hold a jock strap of any player or coach for that matter in the original.
 
100% and i questioned his idea to be involved with the Sports Illustrated cover before the season after making the National Championship game.

There wasn't a player on the roster that could hold a jock strap of any player or coach for that matter in the original.
I guess I looked at that situation differently. I thought it was cool to bring up old news and infuse with new news. Win win for UNC, with UNC publicity.
 
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Mark my words, when it comes time to decide to fire him or not next year, the first excuse out of the mouths of the UNC talking heads will be "He's only missed the tournament one time!"
That might be what they say. If it's time to fire him, the UNC talking heads who want to keep him will want to because he's a UNC guy.

It's why if Hubert isn't the right guy for the job, it's best for UNC to have another clear and obvious disappointing season. If it's in the gray area, the whole family thing has a chance to carry more weight than it needs to.
 
If not Hubert, than whom?
Who is it there that we know is better?
Without an available proven commodity, I would not want to take the chance on an unknown.
Even Matt Dougherty seemed like a sure thing.
Did Roy recommend Doherty? I seem to recall that's how we ended up with him.

IIRC, Do was Roy's assistant. I assume Roy was the reason he got the Notre Dame job. Where he did a decent but not spectacular job for one year, and then came here.

Roy has a lot of strengths. Maybe picking head coaches isn't one of them?
 
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"God grant me the ability to accept the things I can not change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference".

Like it, don't like it, doesn't matter guys, Hubert is back for next season, it is what it is. All these continued Hubert has to go threads are doing is giving this fan base a bad look for any recruit or someone from his circle looking in. We have already seen Cadeau's brother talk about being turned off of UNC because of UNC fans on social media, I know that was nothing but an excuse but still it invites others to look to see if it is real.

You are going to have to move on at some point, put last season in the history books and start looking at where we go from here rather than wallow in doom and gloom? I happen to agree with you, I feel like the best for us would have been for Hubert to not continue on as our coach but he is and I have accepted that he is knowing that all eyes will be on him to see if he deserves more than just next season, his seat will be red hot from game 1 next season, just have to see how it goes..
We have a coach who isn't perfect across the board. Who is?

Rather than replacing him, the decision is to try to shore up where he's weak. We've decided that what he needs is more money and staff to make sure he gets a top-notch roster. Presumably based on having seen that with guys like Manek and Ingram (to go along with RJ and Armando), Hubert gets good results.

That's actually pretty reasonable.

Two questions:

1. Are we getting the Maneks and Ingrams (and the RJs and Armandos)?

2. If we get a better roster will that be enough help?

So far we have lost more to the portal than we've gained. But it's still early days. Give us Catchings and Lee (or the equivalent) and if Drake returns, maybe Hubert will have the roster he needs to shine.

As for whether that's enough help, the next season will tell.

At the moment my fears are these:

1. What if our NIL team fails to deliver Hubert a really good roster and we have another disappointing season. Is that Hubert's fault?

2. What if roster construction isn't the real problem?
 
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That might be what they say. If it's time to fire him, the UNC talking heads who want to keep him will want to because he's a UNC guy.

It's why if Hubert isn't the right guy for the job, it's best for UNC to have another clear and obvious disappointing season. If it's in the gray area, the whole family thing has a chance to carry more weight than it needs to.

Unfortunately, I don't think he's just going to flat out bomb it. Barring injuries or something catastrophic going wrong in the portal, we are never going to be bad enough to go 8-20 again. Probably not even 14-19. Despite all the whining and whelping about talent last year, we had Eight Top 100 players on this roster, yet fans are calling that a "down year".

All this is why we would've been better off long-term by missing the tournament all together than winning a single meaningless play-in simply to make Hubert's resume look better. A mediocre 5th season after missing the tournament twice in five years is much easier to fire than once in five. If the latter ends up being the case, TPTB will absolutely give him a sixth year.
 
To me, this is exactly the wrong way to approach it. Once you know your coach isn't up to par, there are dozens who would make more sense.

To me, this is exactly the wrong way to approach it. Once you know your coach isn't up to par, there are dozens who would make more sense...
Perfect. I don't know any of the dozens who are realistic hires (can you help me with some names?)
 
What? Dough never to anyone with a brain thought Dough was a sure thing. He was a last resort when Roy didn't leave Kansas.

We took a chance with an unknown when we hired Hubert, well to some it might have been unknown but I had no doubt it was a bad hire and this was 100% where we was headed.
Matt D. was solid at Notre Dame. More resume than Hubert or Scheyer.
 
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