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Brady Dunlap, class of 2023, recent decommit from Notre Dame. Ranked 149th in the 247sports composite.

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Doubt he’s coming. I don’t have a problem with the offer. Kid looks automatic from 3. Could be the next Caitlin Clark. Kinda looks like her too

Automatic from 3 at the high school level but skinny, a poor defender, and a consensus 3 star recruit. If this recruit was UNC caliber why is he only now getting an offer as smoke swirls that we're missing on all our top portal targets? If he's a UNC caliber recruit why didn't he get an offer weeks ago when scholarships started opening up?

My guess is because he's way down the list of backup plans the staff had. Even Dunlap himself said tons of other schools keep canceling his visits because they end up preferring portal options (and these are not UNC caliber programs canceling his visits.)

If guys like Nickel can't even see the floor as a freshman, then there is no chance this kid contributes as a freshman. And that's a big problem. Because right now we need ACC level starters to join the team, not deep bench players and future outgoing transfers.

I hope you're right about him not coming.
 
Automatic from 3 at the high school level but skinny, a poor defender, and a consensus 3 star recruit. If this recruit was UNC caliber why is he only now getting an offer as smoke swirls that we're missing on all our top portal targets? If he's a UNC caliber recruit why didn't he get an offer weeks ago when scholarships started opening up?

My guess is because he's way down the list of backup plans the staff had. Even Dunlap himself said tons of other schools keep canceling his visits because they end up preferring portal options (and these are not UNC caliber programs canceling his visits.)

If guys like Nickel can't even see the floor as a freshman, then there is no chance this kid contributes as a freshman. And that's a big problem. Because right now we need ACC level starters to join the team, not deep bench players and future outgoing transfers.

I hope you're right about him not coming.
He's got offers from KU and UCLA. Brey had him committed. Taking visits at St John's and Villanova. That's a pretty impressive list of coaches/schools that want him to join their squad, so I think there's some skill there. Agreed he wouldn't contribute as a freshman, but seems fair to offer when we won't play near 13 guys assuming he's onboard with pretty limited minutes for 1-2 years.

I don't think your panic about our transfers is warranted. So far none of the top guys we've been connected to has committed elsewhere. We won't get them all, but Hubert has been excellent at recruiting. I will be surprised if we don't end up with a couple additions we're very happy with.

I'm still expecting something like this for 23-24:

Starters: Cadeau, Davis, Transfer shooter, Ingram, Bacot
Rotation players: Withers, Washington, Wilcher, Wojcik, Dunn
Deeper bench: Trimble, High

That's 12 players, so still leaves room for adding another player. There's probably a fair chance one more of our guards transfers too depending on who we can add. Worst case scenario we can probably get a guy like Timberlake to commit quickly if we offer him a starting spot -- I just think we were looking for him to be a 6th man so we could get an even better shooting wing to start. But someone like Dunlap has nothing to do with trying to add win now transfers; there are hundreds of guys you could add in the portal who will be better than him for the 23-24 season because he's so raw.

It's very early days in the offseason. Hang in there!
 
He's got offers from KU and UCLA. Brey had him committed. Taking visits at St John's and Villanova. That's a pretty impressive list of coaches/schools that want him to join their squad, so I think there's some skill there. Agreed he wouldn't contribute as a freshman, but seems fair to offer when we won't play near 13 guys assuming he's onboard with pretty limited minutes for 1-2 years.

I don't think your panic about our transfers is warranted. So far none of the top guys we've been connected to has committed elsewhere. We won't get them all, but Hubert has been excellent at recruiting. I will be surprised if we don't end up with a couple additions we're very happy with.

I'm still expecting something like this for 23-24:

Starters: Cadeau, Davis, Transfer shooter, Ingram, Bacot
Rotation players: Withers, Washington, Wilcher, Wojcik, Dunn
Deeper bench: Trimble, High

That's 12 players, so still leaves room for adding another player. There's probably a fair chance one more of our guards transfers too depending on who we can add. Worst case scenario we can probably get a guy like Timberlake to commit quickly if we offer him a starting spot -- I just think we were looking for him to be a 6th man so we could get an even better shooting wing to start. But someone like Dunlap has nothing to do with trying to add win now transfers; there are hundreds of guys you could add in the portal who will be better than him for the 23-24 season because he's so raw.

It's very early days in the offseason. Hang in there!
Except the KU offer was one of about 100 Bill Self throws out every summer. Dunlap barely talked to any assistants at KU before the phone calls stopped. And that was a year ago. KU is only returning 4 scholarship players and they haven't talked to him at all this offseason.

Dunlap even specifically talked about how most of the coaches that were calling him recently suddenly stopped, and he would later read on Twitter about how those schools had grabbed someone from the portal. He's currently being recruited by a rebuilding Villanova program, a rebuilding St John's program, and maybe Nebraska. Those are the programs that haven't chosen to use that scholarship on a portal player instead. Not exactly a whose who of college greatness.

No, we can't just "get a guy like Timberlake to commit quickly if we offer him a starting spot." He was literally Hubert's top target in the recruiting portal, and the staff currently believes they whiffed on him. Knecht is likely to commit somewhere out west without visiting UNC. If Ingram picks KU, that will mean Hubert whiffed on the top 3 wings he chose to pursue despite having starting spots up for the taking.

All Dunlap does is eat up a scholarship (most likely until he transfers due to lack of playing time or because Hubert gets fired.) We need to be using our scholarships on starters or at the very least guys who can compete for a starting spot. We do not need another project like Shaver, a 3 star who was unlikely to ever be a UNC caliber player.

I really, really, really hope this Dunlap kid commits to Nova or St Johns.
 
It’s these type of offers that have people questioning if Hubert is the answer. This is a poor man’s Tyler Nickel. Will Shaver had a better chance to contribute than this guy. Waste of a scholarship and future transfer if he comes.
 
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Please god no! I’m not sure what Hubert is doing here…we need proven players from the portal…or elite talent (Cadeau, Jackson)…it’s alarming that we are struggling to get 2 to 3 studs from the portal with all the open playing time! Hopefully we hear something from Ingram, and/or Mgbako soon! I’m not super confident in either though
 
These are some of the type guys that are role players in today's college game. The next level talents are 1 and done to develop or go straight to the G league to improve. Very few juniors or seniors will hear their name called in the 1st round once again.

You hope to have some developed vets down the line to aid the revolving door of elite raw young talent. It seemed like Nickel was brought in for that, but he somehow morphed into a step in freshman type guy in the minds of many.
 
I'm seeing a 4-star rating by some, not that it matters at the end of the day.
Good size at the wing(6'7.5")
Moves well without the ball
Perfect shooting form/release
Very good HS competition(Harvard Westlake plays the best in Cali) 18pts/game
Worth a look at least
 
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In a world where half your guys will end up transferring out why not pan for gold? Once you get past the first couple tiers, say top 40 maybe, the differences get more subtle. Lots of 3 star guys are better by year 3 if they do stick around than top guys in their first or second year.
 
These are some of the type guys that are role players in today's college game. The next level talents are 1 and done to develop or go straight to the G league to improve. Very few juniors or seniors will hear their name called in the 1st round once again.

You hope to have some developed vets down the line to aid the revolving door of elite raw young talent. It seemed like Nickel was brought in for that, but he somehow morphed into a step in freshman type guy in the minds of many.
Nickel, Puff, McKoy, Styles, and Shaver were told by Jeff Lebo that they had no chance of increased minutes next season. It was Hubert's way of running them off to open up scholarships to fix the roster and save his job.

Brady Dunlap is the type of guy Hubert has proven he will not play bc he's a defensive liability. If Dunlap commits, he will end up in the transfer portal.
 
Brady Dunlap gave an interview a month ago where he said basically all the schools recruiting him (except the rebuilding Nova and rebuilding St John's teams) have suddenly stopped calling him. When he gets on Twitter he finds out those schools found better options in the transfer portal.

So I'm asking you guys to be honest. Don't you think it's worrisome that all these coaches of lesser programs are finding better option in the portal than Dunlap? Meanwhile Hubert Davis is whiffing on his top portal targets and resorting to desperation offers to a recruit who Hubert has proven he will not play.
 
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Breaking news: team that had about 10 holes a year ago hasn't been able to solve them all less than 2 weeks after the National Championship game.
 
Brady Dunlap gave an interview a month ago where he said basically all the schools recruiting him (except the rebuilding Nova and rebuilding St John's teams) have suddenly stopped calling him. When he gets on Twitter he finds out those schools found better options in the transfer portal.

So I'm asking you guys to be honest. Don't you think it's worrisome that all these coaches of lesser programs are finding better option in the portal than Dunlap? Meanwhile Hubert Davis is whiffing on his top portal targets and resorting to desperation offers to a recruit who Hubert has proven he will not play.

This whole transfer portal and recruiting world we live in is stupid and almost not worth paying attention to. Teams with low ranked recruits and cast offs from other programs just made runs to the Elite Eight and Final Four. So I'm not going to be "worried" about something as insignificant as the success of my college basketball team. But even if I were, I'd at least be worried over the results and not the predicted results based on factors that may not say the same things they used to say now that the college basketball landscape has changed so dramatically.
 
Thanks for the video.

I really like the move around the 1:17 mark.

The one pass I noticed was very crisp and accurate.

Seems to move quite well without the ball.

Fairly quick and high shot release.

Quick overall.

Naturally we're all waiting for Cadeau and Ingram to announce they are coming. If they do, I'd be happy to have Brady on board, too. If not, we may need that scholarship for someone else in the portal.
 
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Breaking news: team that had about 10 holes a year ago hasn't been able to solve them all less than 2 weeks after the National Championship game.
Breaking news: a year ago Kansas State had no coach and only 2 players. Thanks to a good coaching hire and the transfer portal, Kansas State built an elite eight team.

But you go on downplaying Hubert's nonstop failures if that helps you cope. He and Lebo ran off half the team to create roster spots, and so far all he's done is whiff on his top portal targets and add a bunch of bench/role players he has shown a reluctance to play the past 2 years. This latest offer is embarrassing. A kid who keeps getting dropped by lesser programs after they find better portal options.
 
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Except the KU offer was one of about 100 Bill Self throws out every summer. Dunlap barely talked to any assistants at KU before the phone calls stopped. And that was a year ago. KU is only returning 4 scholarship players and they haven't talked to him at all this offseason.

Dunlap even specifically talked about how most of the coaches that were calling him recently suddenly stopped, and he would later read on Twitter about how those schools had grabbed someone from the portal. He's currently being recruited by a rebuilding Villanova program, a rebuilding St John's program, and maybe Nebraska. Those are the programs that haven't chosen to use that scholarship on a portal player instead. Not exactly a whose who of college greatness.

No, we can't just "get a guy like Timberlake to commit quickly if we offer him a starting spot." He was literally Hubert's top target in the recruiting portal, and the staff currently believes they whiffed on him. Knecht is likely to commit somewhere out west without visiting UNC. If Ingram picks KU, that will mean Hubert whiffed on the top 3 wings he chose to pursue despite having starting spots up for the taking.

All Dunlap does is eat up a scholarship (most likely until he transfers due to lack of playing time or because Hubert gets fired.) We need to be using our scholarships on starters or at the very least guys who can compete for a starting spot. We do not need another project like Shaver, a 3 star who was unlikely to ever be a UNC caliber player.

I really, really, really hope this Dunlap kid commits to Nova or St Johns.
If Brey, Pitino, Self, etc are all interested in him then I think the offer is fine. Doesn't really matter if those teams are rebuilding or not; those are great coaches who know how to run a program. We need program guys for emergency depth and eventual potential contributions. Roy had guys like this -- like Luke Maye.

Especially given Hubert's short bench I'm fine with one program guy. If we added 3 guys like this, then agreed it's a big problem. The key is it needs to be someone actually okay with minimal playing time for multiple years. Shaver either wasn't okay with that or we decided he wasn't developing; either way it was a miss. The general strategy of having a program guy or two is fine though; don't overcorrect based on Shaver.

I don't agree on Timberlake at all. I think we're looking higher for a starter: Lundy, Alexander, etc. I think we ultimately land one of these guys in June after NBA draft stuff. I think if we promised Timberlake a starting role he'd already be committed.
 
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So I'm asking you guys to be honest. Don't you think it's worrisome that all these coaches of lesser programs are finding better option in the portal than Dunlap? Meanwhile Hubert Davis is whiffing on his top portal targets and resorting to desperation offers to a recruit who Hubert has proven he will not play.
I find it worrisome that you throw Lebo and the things are you are told in "private" under the bus. 🤮
 
Naturally we're all waiting for Cadeau and Ingram to announce they are coming. If they do, I'd be happy to have Brady on board, too. If not, we may need that scholarship for someone else in the portal.
Ingram to Kansas is picking up steam.

And even if by some miracle we do add Ingram and Cadeau, we still don't have a starting PF.
 
Ingram to Kansas is picking up steam.

And even if by some miracle we do add Ingram and Cadeau, we still don't have a starting PF.
I would bet by the end of April we have our starting PF committed and penciled in. Either Ingram, Mgbako, or some new portal entrant.

Cadeau is coming so not sure what that has to do with a "miracle". He'll be here.

Then we're one piece away. I think we target a wing shooter, and Hubert will aim really high like Lundy pulling out of the draft or Alexander leaving Creighton. Will take longer. Nance didn't commit until June, and Garcia was in July! I think we'll just have to be patient for the last spot.
 
If Brey, Pitino, Self, etc are all interested in him then I think the offer is fine. Doesn't really matter if those teams are rebuilding or not; those are great coaches who know how to run a program. We need program guys for emergency depth and eventual potential contributions. Roy had guys like this -- like Luke Maye.

Especially given Hubert's short bench I'm fine with one program guy. If we added 3 guys like this, then agreed it's a big problem. The key is it needs to be someone actually okay with minimal playing time for multiple years. Shaver either wasn't okay with that or we decided he wasn't developing; either way it was a miss. The general strategy of having a program guy or two is fine though; don't overcorrect based on Shaver.

I don't agree on Timberlake at all. I think we're looking higher for a starter: Lundy, Alexander, etc. I think we ultimately land one of these guys in June after NBA draft stuff. I think if we promised Timberlake a starting role he'd already be committed.
You're just wrong. Self doesn't want him. That's already been explained. Most of the coaches who recruited him at one point don't want him. They found better players in the portal. Dunlap pointed that out a month ago in an interview. Right now his only committable offers are Kyle Neptune's rebuilding program, and Rick Pitino's empty roster at St John's.

And don't you dare compare this to Roy and Luke Maye. First off, Roy's intent was to have Luke walk-on as a freshman so the scholarship could go to an actual contributor (Brandon Ingram.) Second, Roy actually played his bench players so they wouldn't transfer and would be ready to contribute. Third, as a sophomore in high school Luke dominated a senior McDonald's All American named Kennedy Meeks in the playoffs.

Dunlap is just going to sit at the end of the bench with Wojcik and High. Hubert won't play him bc he's years away from being able to defend ACC players. If he commits, the only question is whether he'll transfer before or after Zayden High does.

Timberlake was Hubert's top portal target. You can play make believe if it makes you feel better. But the staff's presentation made it clear he was their top target. They were so sure he was going to commit, and then crickets, followed by him setting visits to KU and UConn.
 
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Breaking news: a year ago Kansas State had no coach and only 2 players. Thanks to a good coaching hire and the transfer portal, Kansas State built an elite eight team.

But you go on downplaying Hubert's nonstop failures if that helps you cope. He and Lebo ran off half the team to create roster spots, and so far all he's done is whiff on his top portal targets and add a bunch of bench/role players he has shown a reluctance to play the past 2 years. This latest offer is embarrassing. A kid who keeps getting dropped by lesser programs after they find better portal options.
I don't care how Kansas State's season went. I'm waiting to see how the roster fills itself out without being attached to singular players when a billion players are in the portal. After the roster fills out, I'll watch the games and see what are realistic expectations.

Everyone here that's pissed off is mainly pissed because they had unrealistic expectations going into last season. Watch the cake bake. If the cake sucks, then you'll need to get new ingredients and a new chef next time.
 
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I would bet by the end of April we have our starting PF committed and penciled in. Either Ingram, Mgbako, or some new portal entrant.

Cadeau is coming so not sure what that has to do with a "miracle". He'll be here.

Then we're one piece away. I think we target a wing shooter, and Hubert will aim really high like Lundy pulling out of the draft or Alexander leaving Creighton. Will take longer. Nance didn't commit until June, and Garcia was in July! I think we'll just have to be patient for the last spot.

So why throw away a scholarship on a guy who will never play, if you truly believe good options are going to open up in the portal?

Why not hold that scholarship for one of these great prospects you're convinced will suddenly appear and want to play at UNC?
 
Nickel, Puff, McKoy, Styles, and Shaver were told by Jeff Lebo that they had no chance of increased minutes next season. It was Hubert's way of running them off to open up scholarships to fix the roster and save his job.

Brady Dunlap is the type of guy Hubert has proven he will not play bc he's a defensive liability. If Dunlap commits, he will end up in the transfer portal.
I also find this offer concerning. Why let Nickel rot on the bench and then run him off only to turn around and offer a kid like this?

Hubert is about to and maybe already has found out that his recruiting honeymoon is over after he completely botched this past season. He was selling hopes and dreams along with a title run. Now he’s selling a program that started the season #1 and missed the tournament and has then proceeded to run off half its roster.

I’m glad we kept things in the family because this sure is the Carolina Way that we’ve all loved for decades….
 
Breaking news: team that had about 10 holes a year ago hasn't been able to solve them all less than 2 weeks after the National Championship game.
LOL

I blame it on all the time we wasted playing in the NIT rather than focusing on rebuilding. Oh, wait....

Kidding aside, I'm pretty happy with Withers. If Ingram comes aboard, we'll have a really nice front court.
 
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I also find this offer concerning. Why let Nickel rot on the bench and then run him off only to turn around and offer a kid like this?
Fair question.

All I can think is that HD is willing to spend a scholarship on someone who might be a sharpshooter off the bench. He decided that Nickel wasn't that guy, so he's gone. But Dunlap might be that guy.

If you are only betting 1 scholarship a year on finding a diamond in the rough, that's not so bad.
 
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Automatic from 3 at the high school level but skinny, a poor defender, and a consensus 3 star recruit. If this recruit was UNC caliber why is he only now getting an offer as smoke swirls that we're missing on all our top portal targets? If he's a UNC caliber recruit why didn't he get an offer weeks ago when scholarships started opening up?

My guess is because he's way down the list of backup plans the staff had. Even Dunlap himself said tons of other schools keep canceling his visits because they end up preferring portal options (and these are not UNC caliber programs canceling his visits.)

If guys like Nickel can't even see the floor as a freshman, then there is no chance this kid contributes as a freshman. And that's a big problem. Because right now we need ACC level starters to join the team, not deep bench players and future outgoing transfers.

I hope you're right about him not coming.
Thank God no one improves after high school. He should stop playing now and just got for academics
 
Fair question.

Al I can think is that HD is willing to spend a scholarship on someone who might be a sharpshooter off the bench. He decided that Nickel wasn't that guy, so he's gone. But Dunlap might be that guy.

If you are only betting 1 shop a year on finding a diamond in the rough, that's not so bad.

Conversation with player A:

Hubert: "You know you're not going to play very much, certainly for the next couple of years. But I see you being a key contributor as an upperclassman."

Player A: "That's fine coach. I just want to be here in Chapel Hill. I also have a very realistic approach to the kind of player I am and what I can offer. I'm happy to get in where I fit in."

Hubert: "Great kid, we'd love to have you."


Conversation with Player B:

Hubert: "You know you're not going to play very much, certainly for the next couple of years. But I see you being a key contributor as an upperclassman."

Player B: "Nope. No way. I'm too good to sit on the bench. Upperclassman? What?!! I was hoping to be on my second NBA contract by then."

Hubert: "This may not be the right place for you."
 
Ingram to Kansas is picking up steam.

And even if by some miracle we do add Ingram and Cadeau, we still don't have a starting PF.
Sorry to hear that about Ingram. Even with underwhelming 3pt-shooting, he seems like a nearly perfect fit. Do you think that's an established coach vs new coach thing? Would we, for example, have a better shot with pre-COVID Roy in the driver's seat?

Maybe I'm reading too much into their comments, but AJ and Sisk seemed pretty pleased with Withers. Sure there are some question marks because he's coming from Louisville, but they addressed those concerns in ways that made me feel good about Withers. Barring significant developments, I expect him to start at the 4.
 
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Breaking news: a year ago Kansas State had no coach and only 2 players. Thanks to a good coaching hire and the transfer portal, Kansas State built an elite eight team.

But you go on downplaying Hubert's nonstop failures if that helps you cope. He and Lebo ran off half the team to create roster spots, and so far all he's done is whiff on his top portal targets and add a bunch of bench/role players he has shown a reluctance to play the past 2 years. This latest offer is embarrassing. A kid who keeps getting dropped by lesser programs after they find better portal options.

Kansas St had its roster filled out April 13th last year,
 
Which players can you honestly say have made significant improvements at UNC the past 2 years?

Because D'Marco Dunn is the only one I could confidently name.
RJ Davis is on a different planet from year 1 to year 3. I even think Bacot is a hell of a lot better from year 40 to year 42. And hell, Caleb Love was a lot better from year 1 to year 2.
 
Thought this kid looked pretty good while outplaying both Lebron's son and a Duke commit. Mike Brey knows has a history of spotting good shooters and was on this kid a long time ago. Quick release, fiery competitor but will need to bulk up some. Very intriguing prospect, for sure.
 
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