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It was worth electing Trump

I'm not a grammar instructor so you'll just have to figure "it" out for yourself.
There was no grammatical error. I'm just asking for clarification. Was he saying that the American military might should have destroyed North Korea? If so, who and what would give the American military the authority to commit what sounds like essentially a genocide?
 
There was no grammatical error. I'm just asking for clarification. Was he saying that the American military might should have destroyed North Korea? If so, who and what would give the American military the authority to commit what sounds like essentially a genocide?

I know there wasn't a grammatical error. As to my dad's feelings, you'll have to ask him.
 
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Why do so many non-liberal people want small gov, but want government to govern bathroom-usage, abortion, etc? Which is it, less gov or more?

Less government. Which as GSD mentioned, is why I would have preferred to have Charlotte not get involved with governing bathrooms. I also am pro choice. I realize the media has told you that you can paint conservatives with a broad brush like that - but you didn't have to fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
 
But people in Charlotte cared. Many people in Charlotte didn't like the ordinance. They count on their state representatives to speak to concerns from their constituents. And what I'm saying is that was a set up job by the dems from the jump. It was a non-issue. But they made it an issue just to get the reaction from the GOP they got.
That's Charlotte's problem, they need to vote differently next time. Why expand the reach of gov if the conservatives claim to want small gov?

Majority of Americans voted for someone other than Trump but didn't get what they wanted...
 
Less government. Which as GSD mentioned, is why I would have preferred to have Charlotte not get involved with governing bathrooms. I also am pro choice. I realize the media has told you that you can paint conservatives with a broad brush like that - but you didn't have to fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
I said 'why do so many'. I did not say 'why do all. Nice ASSumption.
 
Clinton won the popular votes both times.

Um ok. What I quoted and was discussing was that "a majority" (aka over 50%) of Americans didn't get who they voted for. Did Bill get 50% or more of the vote in either of his elections? As a matter of fact, he got less of a percentage of the country to vote for him than Trump did the first time.
 
Same thing happened both times Slick Willy won... what of it?
My point is that the voters of Charlotte need to deal with Charlotte rather than dragging big government (NC). The voters are reaping what they sowed. You say many don't like it, but majority don't like trump, nothing to do about aside from vote more wisely.
 
I said 'why do so many'. I did not say 'why do all. Nice ASSumption.
LOL you're the one that made the original assumption that "all conservatives want small government but then want bathroom interference blah blah blah."

Like Hark, I'm also pro choice (though I don't believe in abortion) because I believe in personal freedom and less government, and I don't believe in the government legislating morality. In fact, many younger conservatives are socially moderate and fiscally conservative.

So your assumption is starting to erode.
 
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Amiwrong that majority of conservatives vote for prolife or are anti-abortion
LOL you're the one that made the original assumption that "all conservatives want small government but then want bathroom interference blah blah blah."

Like Hark, I'm also pro choice (though I don't believe in abortion) because I believe in personal freedom and less government, and I don't believe in the government legislating morality. In fact, many younger conservatives are socially moderate and fiscally conservative.

So your assumption is starting to erode.

@Hark

aight, and sorry to derail from Korea talk.
 
#dickfirst

I'm unconcerned with your sexual preferences.
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In fact, many younger conservatives are socially moderate and fiscally conservative.

Agreed. I'd almost go as far as to say I'm socially liberal. I'm pro-choice, pro-legalization, perfectly fine with same-sex marriages, against letting religion dictate anything in the political realm, etc. The one place I'm not socially liberal is on gun control (again, because I'm against over regulation - and realize that the majority of gun problems in this country don't stem from legal guns, it's from people who circumvent the already established gun rules).

I'm pro-equality. The difference is, when I say equality, I actually mean equality. I think that making rules and regulations designed to benefit a certain gender, race, religion, etc. over another in the hiring process, public assistance programs, etc. is the exact opposite of equality. The sooner we stop making rules that further divide the country on gender/race/religion lines - the sooner we'll be able to move past having those differences cause problems.
 
Amiwrong that majority of conservatives vote for prolife or are anti-abortion
Interesting question. Here is a good poll talking about different groups who support or don't support abortion. The key quote to answer your question is this: "Among Republicans, 54% of the party’s moderates and liberals say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, compared with just 27% of conservative Republicans." So, your statement that a "majority of conservatives" are anti-abortion is correct as it relates to the republican party. That's not necessarily the case when you look within the party.

Another interesting quote related to your question is this: "Liberal Democrats are 30 percentage points more likely than conservative and moderate Democrats to favor legal abortion (91% vs. 61%)." So, while the majority of all democrats are pro choice, a decent amount of "conservative" democrats are pro life.

The conclusion you can draw from all of this is that your attempt to paint republicans as anti abortion vs democrats as pro choice isn't as clear cut as you seem to think it is.
 
Agreed. I'd almost go as far as to say I'm socially liberal. I'm pro-choice, pro-legalization, perfectly fine with same-sex marriages, against letting religion dictate anything in the political realm, etc. The one place I'm not socially liberal is on gun control (again, because I'm against over regulation - and realize that the majority of gun problems in this country don't stem from legal guns, it's from people who circumvent the already established gun rules).

I'm pro-equality. The difference is, when I say equality, I actually mean equality. I think that making rules and regulations designed to benefit a certain gender, race, religion, etc. over another in the hiring process, public assistance programs, etc. is the exact opposite of equality. The sooner we stop making rules that further divide the country on gender/race/religion lines - the sooner we'll be able to move past having those differences cause problems.
That really makes you more of a libertarian than it does a conservative.
 
Agreed. I'd almost go as far as to say I'm socially liberal. I'm pro-choice, pro-legalization, perfectly fine with same-sex marriages, against letting religion dictate anything in the political realm, etc. The one place I'm not socially liberal is on gun control (again, because I'm against over regulation - and realize that the majority of gun problems in this country don't stem from legal guns, it's from people who circumvent the already established gun rules).

I'm pro-equality. The difference is, when I say equality, I actually mean equality. I think that making rules and regulations designed to benefit a certain gender, race, religion, etc. over another in the hiring process, public assistance programs, etc. is the exact opposite of equality. The sooner we stop making rules that further divide the country on gender/race/religion lines - the sooner we'll be able to move past having those differences cause problems.
That's pretty much my take as well.
 
Donald Trump attacked Congress for sanctions against Russia . . . and THANKED Putin for sanctions against the United States.

#MAGA
 
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Eh, I think that was said in jest. Most of the media seemed to miss the joke.
That's the thing with Trump... no one, not even Trump, knows WTF he actually means. It's all speculation.

I have no doubt that Donald Trump, in his mind, truly does want what he thinks is best for America. His intentions, like most presidents, are GOOD intentions. I just believe he is in way over his head. His fragile ego, his compulsion to speak before he thinks, are not only his, but our, and the rest of the world's, biggest liability going forward.
 
That's the thing with Trump... no one, not even Trump, knows WTF he actually means. It's all speculation.

Agreed. And those that hate him will speculate to the negative on everything. If psychoanalyzing his every move and comment gives people a reason to get out of bed in the morning - more power to them I guess.
 
Still in jest the next day when he doubled down and said the "fire and fury" comments weren't tough enough?
You're talking about something completely different. I don't think the NK comments were said in jest. As I said before, I think that he wasn't saying anything different than any other president. He was just more blunt about it. Every president has said the nuclear option is on the table. Unless there is a nuke that releases sunshine and rainbows, then fire and fury is what would happen.
 
You're talking about something completely different. I don't think the NK comments were said in jest. As I said before, I think that he wasn't saying anything different than any other president. He was just more blunt about it. Every president has said the nuclear option is on the table. Unless there is a nuke that releases sunshine and rainbows, then fire and fury is what would happen.
And, his "blunt"-ness is what can potentially turn this up into a more dangerous situation. Tiny hands doesn't have any humility and he cannot handle criticism... at all. Situations like this is when having a leader who isn't threatened by people like Kim Jong Un is a huge factor in keeping this at its usual "let him do his thing" level. Donald can't resist being his typical mouthy self in public.

As wacky as Kim Jong Un might be, he isn't suicidal. His objective is identical to his father and grandfather- appear to be The Supreme Leader to your isolated countrymen. A preemptive nuclear strike on NK would be one of the dumbest things the last president of the USA could ever do.
 
"I hope they are going to fully understand the gravity of what I said. And what I said is what I mean," Trump said.
 
That's the thing with Trump... no one, not even Trump, knows WTF he actually means. It's all speculation.

I have no doubt that Donald Trump, in his mind, truly does want what he thinks is best for America. His intentions, like most presidents, are GOOD intentions. I just believe he is in way over his head. His fragile ego, his compulsion to speak before he thinks, are not only his, but our, and the rest of the world's, biggest liability going forward.

This kind of sums up how I feel about him as well. I also feel like many of my super left friends lose credibility or practicality when they focus on every little thing he does and thinks it's the end of the world as we know it. Social media and politics = water and oil.

I just don't feel like we are taken as seriously with him at the helm. I think he's a lesson to us all about electing populists to high office. It usually doesn't go well.
 
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