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It was worth electing Trump

TRUMP versus JONG UN

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Yep you have to hate America to invite a terrorist group like BLM into the white house after burning entire cities to the ground while undermining the law enforcement that are trying to protect it!
I enjoy talking about the Obama's now - sweet reminder that they're gone from power and back to the hole they came from.
 
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He sure did treat it like he did!
How so? Just because his policies/beliefs differed from yours doesn't mean he hated the country.

Hater or not, his point was still invalid, IMO.
You are entitled to your opinion, but the fact that NK is set to lose around 1/3 of its economy and has lost the public backing of China would seem more likely to have caused NK to cave as opposed to Trump talking tough. I do give credit to Trump for leaning hard on China though. Many presidents before him didn't do that even though it's a powerful weapon.
 
Agreed, but one can make the argument Trump incentivized China to do that through his rhetoric and by starting the investigation into trade.
- No world leader or country is taking trump's tweets (his rhetoric) seriously
- Trump has been talking about China-Trade issues since pre-election
- Russian/China have actually been colluding regarding pressures on Korea that have nothing to do with US.
- China shares a border with Korea, they have a bunch to lose if we hit the red-button
 
- No world leader or country is taking trump's tweets (his rhetoric) seriously

Isn't that a good thing?

Remind me again if it's that no foreign leaders take his tweets seriously, or if they take his tweets seriously and thus it puts the country in danger by alienating everyone. It seems I hear both stances from the same people, depending on the agenda being pushed.
 
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- No world leader or country is taking trump's tweets (his rhetoric) seriously
A whole lot of world leaders and Wall Street seemed to take Trump's NK rhetoric seriously.

- Trump has been talking about China-Trade issues since pre-election
Sure, but apparently you aren't familiar with his most recent actions.

- Russian/China have actually been colluding regarding pressures on Korea that have nothing to do with US.
Haven't seen evidence of that. Can you provide a link?

- China shares a border with Korea, they have a bunch to lose if we hit the red-button
Not sure how this relates to what my point was.
 
Isn't that a good thing?

Remind me again if it's that no foreign leaders take his tweets seriously, or if they take his tweets seriously and thus it puts the country in danger by alienating everyone. It seems I hear both stances from the same people, depending on the agenda being pushed.
I don't think Trump's tweets can make him look any worse but they are making America the laughing stock of the entire world.
 
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I would love for Trump to finally get settled-in, and get his sea legs, and get through the rough "early times" and show that he CAN act in, no just a bipartisan way, but a "neither partisan" way. If he would snub BOTH sides, I could be coaxed into more support for him. I doubt that ever happens, however. I think that's the part about DC that dooms any executive- you have to pick a side.
 
I don't think Trump's tweets can make him look any worse but they are making America the laughing stock of the entire world.
Ya think? I sure as hell hope that other people in other countries can detach him from US!
 
I don't think Trump's tweets can make him look any worse but they are making America the laughing stock of the entire world.

Well being the laughing stock is better than them getting upset by his tweets, right?

Would you laugh at a whole country if they had one person tweeting things that were embarrassing? Wouldn't that be stereotypical and a gross generalization?
 
Isn't that a good thing?

Remind me again if it's that no foreign leaders take his tweets seriously, or if they take his tweets seriously and thus it puts the country in danger by alienating everyone. It seems I hear both stances from the same people, depending on the agenda being pushed.
I personally doubt they take his tweets seriously now. Early weeks after the election perhaps other leaders could've taken his tweets seriously til they realized he was hot air who has zero influence over his own country.

I think it is dangerous to have a president whose messaging is potentially ignored or mistrusted because it's a first in modern history... but luckily he's been so vocal yet so incapable of execution that someone can read a tweet and ignore it.
 
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Lighthizer has been on this since Dec, way before NKorea pointed things at guam, way before trumps rhetoric regarding NKorea:
https://www.ip-watch.org/2017/01/03/ustr-nominee-lighthizer-might-fit-strong-stance-ip-protection/

Joint declaration: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-china-xi-northkorea-idUSKBN19P1Q7

China has incentives to calm North Korea that are much stronger than trump's tweets or trumps talk about IP investigations due to things nuclear fall-out on their border
 
I personally doubt they take his tweets seriously now. Early weeks after the election perhaps other leaders could've taken his tweets seriously til they realized he was hot air who has zero influence over his own country.

I think it is dangerous to have a president whose messaging is potentially ignored or mistrusted because it's a first in modern history... but luckily he's been so vocal yet so incapable of execution that someone can read a tweet and ignore it.

Maybe if the media didn't find something to criticize no matter what stance he took on any issue - he'd use the more traditional outlets for getting his word out there, rather than twitter.

He condemns the Charlottesville suspect. The response "Not fast enough, not harsh enough"
He pounces on Kim/NK for their antics. The response "Knee-jerk reaction, way too harsh".
Before the election "Trump is a schemer that uses loopholes in the tax code to cheat the US out of tax money" After the election "Trump is moron that doesn't understand the tax code"
Anytime he says anything nice about women or minorities "he's only doing that as cover for how he really feels".

I mean, sure the guys a bozo. But he can't win with these people.
 
Lighthizer has been on this since Dec, way before NKorea pointed things at guam, way before trumps rhetoric regarding NKorea:
https://www.ip-watch.org/2017/01/03/ustr-nominee-lighthizer-might-fit-strong-stance-ip-protection/
Talking about doing something and signing the order are two different things. Do you think it's just a coincidence that China has put out all of these press releases about it the past couple of days?

LMFAO

China has incentives to calm North Korea that are much stronger than trump's tweets or trumps talk about IP investigations due to things nuclear fall-out on their border
If they had incentives to calm NK, why haven't they made any serious effort to do so until recently?
 
Would you laugh at a whole country if they had one person tweeting things that were embarrassing? Wouldn't that be stereotypical and a gross generalization?
You mean like North Korea with Kim Jong Un? Texts or no texts, the leader of North Korea almost single-handedly makes his nation look ridiculous, kind of like Trump.
 
Talking about doing something and signing the order are two different things. Do you think it's just a coincidence that China has put out all of these press releases about it the past couple of days?


LMFAO


If they had incentives to calm NK, why haven't they made any serious effort to do so until recently?

-The china sanctions have nothing to do with what you perceive as sudden IP-investigation pressure (fyi, it ain't sudden, it has been coming long before N Korea did a test launch).

-China went to Moscow to discuss the N Korea prob long before trumps rhetoric.

-N Korea's tests and capabilities are advancing. China would *likely* feel more destruction and nuke fall-out than mainland US. N Korea isn't suicidal, they're just hoping we stop interfering in their bullying of JP and SKorea.
 
You mean like North Korea with Kim Jong Un? Texts or no texts, the leader of North Korea almost single-handedly makes his nation look ridiculous, kind of like Trump.

I don't think that's a great example though, because of the isolationist tendencies of the country. As a matter of fact, Kim Jong Un is the only NK citizen I can even name, or that we ever hear from. So of course our views of the nation may be heavily influenced by our views of him.

The USA is very different, in that outsiders have a multitude of other voices they hear from to base their opinion of the country. Sure, some of them are morons that make the country look bad like the Kardashians, David Duke, Michael Moore, and Nancy Pelosi - but there are a lot of intelligent and level-headed people that represent the USA well, and outsiders can see that.
 
I think they can, but honestly why does it matter? How does the opinion of the UK version of strummingram help/hurt us?
Well, it's just sort of an instinct I guess. You want to be accepted for who you are and not what other people "like you" are. Guilt by association. Just because I'm from the south doesn't make me a Klan sympathizer... that kinda thing.
 
I don't think that's a great example though, because of the isolationist tendencies of [North Korea}. The USA is very different, in that outsiders have a multitude of other voices they hear from to base their opinion of the country.
Famous athletes, musicians, film and television stars, authors, thinkers, etcetera, etcetera, don't represent the United States like our ELECTED OFFICIALS do.

Donald Trump, our highest-ranking elected official and the most powerful man in the world, was elected into office by US. He represents US. And he has been foisted upon the world by US. What part of that are you not getting?
 
-The china sanctions have nothing to do with what you perceive as sudden IP-investigation pressure (fyi, it ain't sudden, it has been coming long before N Korea did a test launch).

-China went to Moscow to discuss the N Korea prob long before trumps rhetoric.

-N Korea's tests and capabilities are advancing. China would *likely* feel more destruction and nuke fall-out than mainland US. N Korea isn't suicidal, they're just hoping we stop interfering in their bullying of JP and SKorea.
There is a lot wrong with this, but I'm on my phone and don't feel like typing a long response. Remind me tomorrow and I'll explain it if you want. I feel like it would be a waste though. It's obvious at this point you won't give credit to Trump for anything positive that he does. I didn't vote for the man, but I can give him credit for doing something good.
 
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