Gary, enjoy most of what you post. But Roy has better access and knows better than you who to play where, when, and why to do it. Period.
Jeremiah Francis - Your Newest Tar Heel
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Yeah yeah, that's nice and all, but he (as do all coaches) sometimes makes mistakes and that was proven to be one. Proof was in the pudding. And fact is he was moving to correct it before a sudden illness got in the way.
In other words, Gary is never wrong, folks! Let's give him a big round of applause!
No, in other words you can be counted on to make a juvenile, douchey post, as opposed to getting my point that everyone makes mistakes and the wise ones correct them.
I mean this with no umbrage - Until I see your 3 NC Rings earned as an NCAA Div. 1 Men's Head Basketball Coach I will take Roy's opinion on who to play over yours every single time. And nothing was "proven" to be a mistake. No way to know how things would have turned out unless they were done the "other" way. Anything else you, I, or anyone else says is simply speculation.
By the way, my apologies to Jeremiah Francis. You didn't deserve to have your Welcome thread derailed.
Jeremiah, I am so very glad you chose to become a UNC Tar Heel!
Jeremiah, I am so very glad you chose to become a UNC Tar Heel!
Yeah, don't derail this thread.
Bottom line is that he has the potential to be our next great PG in a line of them that we're lucky enough to have include Lawson and JB.
Bottom line is that he has the potential to be our next great PG in a line of them that we're lucky enough to have include Lawson and JB.
Berry led the Heels to a title last season. If he would not have hurt his ankle in the first half against Villanova the Heels would probably be looking at 2 titles. Without Berry this upcoming season the Heels may be looking at the NIT. With Berry the Heels are at least an Elite 8 team.
I have to agree with Arch here. Frances is not Berry and he is not Lawson. He is Jeremiah Frances and I'm darn happy he has committed to the Heels. Roy said when Kendall got hurt that he will never be put in a position of having only one good point guard on the roster. Frances is a 4-star and a multi-year player. He "loves" the Heels and the UNC tradition. He is a Carolina Way recruit....period. Give me 10 more like him....someone who appears to be a team player and wants to be a Heel.
I think Roy has figured out that he is wasting his time recruiting obvious OAD talent. My default Roy has found a successfull way to win with players ranked 25-75. He has also learned from the the Kevin Knox recruitment not to rely and hold ships for OAD talent and be left with no other options after spring announcements. Cam Johnson fell in Roy's lap. Roy may not be this lucky in the future.
The Bird and Cam will be potent this season from long range. Start getting excited folks!
It's all about titles and the Heels are defending NCAA champs. Some of us seem to forget this. I'm still gloating.
I have to agree with Arch here. Frances is not Berry and he is not Lawson. He is Jeremiah Frances and I'm darn happy he has committed to the Heels. Roy said when Kendall got hurt that he will never be put in a position of having only one good point guard on the roster. Frances is a 4-star and a multi-year player. He "loves" the Heels and the UNC tradition. He is a Carolina Way recruit....period. Give me 10 more like him....someone who appears to be a team player and wants to be a Heel.
I think Roy has figured out that he is wasting his time recruiting obvious OAD talent. My default Roy has found a successfull way to win with players ranked 25-75. He has also learned from the the Kevin Knox recruitment not to rely and hold ships for OAD talent and be left with no other options after spring announcements. Cam Johnson fell in Roy's lap. Roy may not be this lucky in the future.
The Bird and Cam will be potent this season from long range. Start getting excited folks!
It's all about titles and the Heels are defending NCAA champs. Some of us seem to forget this. I'm still gloating.
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Lol, I understand completely, gary. You don't need to worry about that.
In any case, I'm more happy about Francis joining the Tar Heel family. He's a fine addition.
Soap, I'm not sure where this frankly knee-jerk reaction is coming from. You've seen my posts here --- there's not a bigger fan or supporter of Roy Williams than yours truly. Hell, I've probably spent more space defending his strategy, methods (and yes, saving time-outs) from criticism than anyone here. However... that does not mean he is immune from making mistakes. All coaches do. Even the GOAT Dean Smith did occasionally. Talking about those does not in any way denigrate my admiration of the coach in question.
As a coach you make tough calls regularly on strategy and/or personnel and sometimes those calls don't pan out. Great coaches recognize when they don't and move to correct them. There's no insult there. Ol Roy can be stubborn but he typically corrects the few mistakes he makes. That's one of the many things that makes him a HOF coach with 3 Nattys.
Speaking of personnel corrections, he finally had to come to grips mid-season that Larry Drew was not the right guy to be our starting PG in 2011. He put in Butter and probably saved us from a return to the NIT. In 2014 he finally got over being "ticked" at LMac and realized that leaving Nate as our starting PG was not gonna work (after we started 0-3 in the ACC). So Roy moved Marcus back over and started LMac at the 2 and we went 13-2 the rest of the way.
Similarly, the next season, there was another tough personnel decision at the outset that just didn't work out.
Marcus, Brice and Kennedy were locks and Tokoto had earned a starting slot, so there was only one spot left among the three incoming 5* freshmen. At that time Roy figured he'd only have Justin for 2 years and he'd gotten burned by starting a freshman PG the year before so he went with Buckets. Problem is that left us with only one legit Guard on the floor. Buckets had no inclination or desire to be a 2, while Tokoto wanted to be a 2 even though he wasn't --- trouble brewing. The result was dysfunctional. With all that talent we were barely a mid-70 PPG team with that group, because all opponents had to do was beat up on poor Marcus, knowing there was relatively little danger from the backcourt. Berry's affect on the team when he went in with Marcus was absolutely astounding (It's why I started keeping those team stats --- I'd never seen anything quite like it). Finally, before the home GaTech game JB was running with the White team and was slated to start. Unfortunately the stomach virus struck and he couldn't play and was off his feed for the next game so Roy figured it was too late to make the move and decided to stand pat and just play JB more minutes. That was a band-aid but not quite a cure.
The team number differences that season again were unmistakable. The initial lineup just did not work. Sometimes that happens. Roy moved to correct it but a virus got in the way. And BTW, that's the biggest reason Tokoto left the following season --- he knew he was odd-man out of the starting lineup.
Any coach can make a offer to top players and don't recruit them. I read an article over the weekend that Arizona had something like 50 offers out there. You think Arizona has time to recruit all of theose players very hard? The key is how much time you spend recruiting a player. Betcha Roy will not invest the time he spent on Knox and PJ Washington for any player ranked in the Top 10 going forward, especially if the player delays his decision to the Spring of his senior year. You make the offer just in case the kid surprises everyone and pops for the Heels. The point is Roy will not put all of his eggs in one basket on these kids when they have OAD sealed on their foreheads. Roy can't compete with Kentucky, Kansas Arizona an Duke for OAD players. Nothing wrong with offering a OAD type player and not recruit the player. Heck, I don't think most UNC fans will be upset if a OAD player wants to sign with UNC that Roy did not recruit very hard.
I assume you are referring to commitable/non commitable offers. I highly doubt that Roy is offering guys in the top 5-10 of the class non commitable scholarships. Are you also implying that Romeo Langford and Zion Williamson are just being offered without being recruitied? How about Simi Shittu?
We're extended 8 offers to the class of 2019. They're ranked as follows:
1, 2, 5, 7, 16, 23, 24, 64 (Francis)
4 of our 8 offers are to top-7 players. We've extended 1 offer to a player below #24.
Are you saying Roy isn't recruiting the players he offered a week ago?
Roy's first visit after the championship was to Langford. I believe his 2nd was to Zion. Were those visits just because he likes their company?
That is almost the opposite of what he is saying! All offers Roy puts out are "committable" even though some are conditional and some are first come, first served. He said Roy would not spend the TIME on peeps exclusively to the detriment of other guys that might want to be Heels a little more!
I don't think the JPT or LD II decisions were "mistakes" despite better peeps waiting their turn. I think they were calculated moves designed to keep emotionally fragile peeps engaged knowing those better players would never check out! They didn't work as planned, but they were the only way to attempt to keep those two working toward team goals.
I don't think the JPT or LD II decisions were "mistakes" despite better peeps waiting their turn. I think they were calculated moves designed to keep emotionally fragile peeps engaged knowing those better players would never check out! They didn't work as planned, but they were the only way to attempt to keep those two working toward team goals.
@Steat specifically said that Roy would not spend the time on top 10 recruits going forward. As Pln pointed out, Roys first stop after the championship was to Langford. The point is almost everything Roy is doing on the recruiting trail goes directly against pretty much everything he was implying in his post.
When Roy visit these kids 7-10 times before they commit then come back to me. The Zion ship has sailed and Langford is very close to sailing. These kids are not coming to UNC. Roy is not going to wait unitl the Spring of their senior year holding ships and be stuck like he did with Knox and Washington. Roy is showing token interest, but he is not making these kids a priority.
At your peril you can continue to hope for these OADs, but the chances of these kids signing with UNC are slim and none, and slim is on life support.
All signs point to Little as the next offer to pop. If he pops, Shitu is probably off the table.
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The ships may or may not be "sailing" but thats an entirely different argument. Who is Roy visiting 7-10 times anyways? Youre acting as if hes purposefully recruiting lower ranked players much much harder than the top guys. That doesnt appear to be the case whatsoever.
You originally said that "Roy has figured out that he is wasting his time recruiting obvious OAD talent".
By making Langford his first post-championship visit, he's recruiting obvious OAD talent. By making Zion his second, he's recruiting obvious OAD talent. By offering Little, Shittu, Hagans, Wiseman, and Carey, he's recruiting obvious OAD talent. If Little is the next offer to pop, then Roy will have successfully recruited obvious OAD talent.
I subscribe to two UNC premium sites and I am privy to lot more information about recruiting information then you are aware of. I'll leave it at that. Not going to go back and forth with you on this. Knowledge is power.
Recruting and making offers are two different things. Little is not perceived as OAD and if will probably be the next to pop. He is not ranked in the Top 20. Like I said above, if a OAD type pops Roy will take him, but he is not going put all his eggs in one basket like he did for Knox. There is a 99% chance that the Top 10 ranked kids going are not going to commit to UNC. Until that happens, I would not expect it.
Im subscribed to one as well. Theres nothing there that describes anything like what youre implying.
Its not this site. And no Im not posting my screename, sorry. Creepy.
I post on Four Corners and TOS using "Steat: as a screen name. Creepy? If you are legit, what is your screen name? With only 9 posts you are probably not even a UNC fan. Tell you what......If you are legit, go to either of these sites and post the title of the top 5 pinned topics on either of the sites. Do a quick cut and paste. Ummm! You are a fraud! LMFAO!
This is exactly what he said for the reading challenged!
Roy is recruiting OAD types that fit our needs, but he is not focusing on them to the detriment of other peeps we are more likely to get! This isn't really that hard to understand. Roy and our coaches visit peeps more than 7-10 times when they are really interested BTW! Roy went back to the past and scattered a whole bunch of offers in the next two classes so he is obviously not focused on only OADs.
Roy and most peeps with sense would love to have Langford, Zion, and that level of recruits; but Roy and true Tar Heels want peeps that want to be here and want to win here more than just getting the supposed elite!
Back to the topic: Francis means way more to me right now than any of the above mentioned peeps! I am thrilled to welcome him into the Family!
247: #7
Scout: #11
Rivals: #15
ESPN: #36
Little is plainly a top-20 player, and there's a 90% chance he's OAD. He's basically a prototype NBA SF. Draft buzz tends to lag behind recruiting buzz, but it'll catch up.
And are you saying we're offering guys we're not recruiting and recruiting guys we're not offering? And does visiting Langford and Zion not count as recruiting?
Langford and Zion have had offers for a long time and has not committed. Roy is moving on by offering players at the same position. You often hear players say that a certain school " is recruiting me hard". Roy is not recruiting Zion or Langford hard.. Neither player is coming to UNC and token visits to watch a kid on occasions is not the definition of recruting hard. Neither Zion or Langford will commit to UNC.
Bossi note about Simi Shittu
THI Get Together - ONE Week Awayhttps://northcarolina.forums.rivals.com/threads/simi-shittu-top-10-unc-makes-cut.55614/
Simi Shittu Top 10 - UNC makes cuthttps://northcarolina.forums.rivals...-spot-in-the-class-of-2017-rankings-is.55610/
UNC's Final Spot In The Class Of 2017 Rankings Is?https://northcarolina.forums.rivals.com/threads/jeremiah-francis-commits-to-unc.55585/
Jeremiah Francis Commits To UNC
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You butted in and helped the dummy.. LMAO. On the other hand, he said he was not a member of this premium site so that eliminates what you posted above. He is probably trying to figure out what TOS is. I'm playing a game with this imposter and you spoiled it for me. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
This has just gotten...weird. Is this how you normally react when someone questions one of your opinions? You seem very insecure.
Yep, definitely the off season annual board war, I am Switzerland this time ! LOL
Thank goodness football season is just about here.
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