The problem with OAD's as the core of your starters every year is that 50% of the time you have what is called a weak class. Now instead of 5 guys leaving they have to stay one more year and you miss out on that strong class coming the next year. 1 or 2 OAD caliber players is all I would want anytime, 1 will prolly leave and the other will stay to improve draft position and the core will continue to develope. It keeps you in competitive for a chip yearly (UNC has a realistic shot yearly by doing this).
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Let me ask you, if your son was Harry Giles for example, how would you feel about the one & done rule or any rule for that matter that says your son could not enter a NBA draft as soon as he knows a team would be willing to draft him in a lottery? When you consider Lebron James did not have to wait, Kobe didn't have to wait, why should your son have to wait?
Not a single actual one & done had to spend any more than a single season before they could enter the draft so why would your son having to wait be fair to him?
As a fan, trust me, I understand, I want to see our best players play for us as long as possible, heck I would be all for a 5th year of eligibility if it were up to me. But when I take off my fan hat and look at it from the side of the kid and his family I can find zero justification to say a kid should not be able to enter a NBA draft at any time a team is willing to draft him. Not when president has already been set, not when the best player in the world today did not play a single game of college ball.
For me it really all comes down to the player in question, if he is a good coachable kid and does not come with an agent in tow, and will handle business in the classroom then if he wants to play for UNC I am happy for him to join the Tar Heel family. Yeah, if a couple follow that mold welcome but if that couple were for example Bugger Cousins and John Wall then excuse me if I prefer to pass on them. I would prefer we pass on kids that have been kicked off multiple high school teams, that come with both street agent and bail bondsman in tow, and come from a diploma mill.
I personally find it funny that Ky fans enjoyed drilling us over the AFAM stuff but waste no time celebrating bringing in such noted academia scholars as John Wall and Bledsoe. They want to aledge that AFAM grades were made up for no work, even thou the NCAA disagreed, and yet find no problem with grades being made up out of thin air that allows their players to get past their schools admissions and NCAA qualify?
I don't decide what constitutes a "good product". Bubba decides that with input from the Rams Club, I'm sure. But if you're asking my opinion, a good product is defined by me as a team that plays hard, plays well together and gets better throughout the season. I'd also say that a good product is one when our team challenges for conference supremacy, makes the tournament and shows well. I won't put any certain level in which the team needs to finish because shit happens. Do I consider years like 2010 a failure? Absolutely. But Roy can fail from time to time and that doesn't mean the "program" has failed. The program is bigger than any one team's record. Now, if we had multiple years like 2010, then Roy and "the program" have failed.
Why were there no dominant teams? Why was the field weaker? Why have we heard this comment from talking heads several times over the past several years? We are certainly hearing it more and more, wouldn't you agree? Why do you think that is? I'll tell you why. Because the OAD era is creating weaker fields every year. Maybe not this year, but I guarantee that we'll hear "there are no dominant teams this year" and "this year's field is weak" in the next 3 years. And then we'll hear it again 2 years after that. The reason there are no dominant teams is because more times than not, you can't have a dominant team relying on freshman. The duke team from 2 years ago certainly wasn't "dominant". They played well at the right time and have a great coach. But dominant? No way. As more teams have to deal with constant turnover with OAD players, teams like UNC will prosper by building teams over the course of 3-4 years.
Plus, y'all are acting like we've been shit. Since coming back to Carolina in 2004, UNC has more NCAA Tournament wins than any other program. Think about that. And we've done it with 2 OAD players. For now at least, that makes your argument invalid.
Why would that make the argument invalid? The whole one and done era didn't really pick up steam until Cal got to Kentucky. Trying to start counting before the true one and done era isn't a valid comparison in my opinion. Teams with 1-2 one and done players have been just as successful as those without them.
Because Jonathan Bender, Darius Miles, Kwame Brown, and Sebastian Telfair didn't have to wait either. I agree with you that if a kid is ready to go to the NBA, then he should be able to go straight from HS - but the problem is that NBA GM's in general are colossal morons - and will hand kids like the above 4 names monster contracts in lottery. The OAD rule is used to save GMs from their own stupidity.
DSouthr.......I wasn't clear in my previous post. When I said I'd make the rule two years, that was strictly me thinking as a Carolina basketball fan.
In general, I agree with you that there should be no rule and they should be able to enter right out of high school. Or there should be a hybrid rule where it's a zero OR 3+ years like in baseball. There's no reason a guy like Andrew Wiggins should've had to go to college for a year when he was ready for the NBA the day he graduated high school.
Well 2006 was the first year that you couldn't go straight from HS. So objectively I think that would be a fair place to set the marker. Which would take away one of the titles, and one of the OADs (Marvin Williams) from Roy's record. However if pushed back another year to 2007 that takes away the second OAD (Brandan Wright). Personally, I think the "One and Done Era" really began when Cal got to UK and signed the class of Wall, Cousins, and Bledsoe - which if we set the marker there, would take away Roy's second title as well.
I agree that picking the year is a cherry picking exercise - but the fact is that since Cal got the class of Wall, Cousins, and Bledsoe - Roy has been to 1 Final Four and not had a single OAD. Whether that is acceptable or not is in the eye of the beholder.
Picking a starting point is not cherry picking. What I was saying is you have to pick a timeline that's a good comparison. Comparing years before people really started to embrace the one and done idea to years they didn't isn't a valid comparison in my opinion.
My view exactly. When I see someone say "it's Roy's job to put the best team he can on the court every year, everything else is ancillary", it makes me cringe. For some fans, that's all college sports is about these days. So sad because for me, admittedly an old timer, it has always been about so much more. To me, it still is.
A one and done player can do all of those things though. Just because he isn't here for four years doesn't mean that he can't represent the university with just as much class as anyone else. I understand the joy of a four year player, but some seem to think that you can't be as valuable because you are just playing for a year. We've had some one and done players in the past and they have represented the university as good as anyone else.
This is an oversimplified view of my position but I'm not going to keep arguing it. I will finish with this: I donate a lot of my hard-earned money to the Rams Club and it isn't JUST for basketball or football. There's a whole athletics program to fund and the further basketball and football advance each season, the more money the athletics program makes. So there's more at stake than simply recruiting guys who will stay for 4 years and who look real nice on camera and speak pleasantly.
+1.
I agree.
Still, I prefer the bond you develop when you watch a player grow up and mature over 3-4 years. I wouldn't trade a Paige or Johnson for a OAD like Ingram. All my favorite UNC players were there at least 3 years, most 4 years.
Not really. That's essentially what the stance is by a lot of y'all on here. You want players brought in who will stay and develop, who won't get arrested or commit NCAA infractions, who graduate, and who smile on camera and give thoughtful answers.
I want players that will win championships - if they come with the rest of that jazz, all the better. If not.... oh well.
You've really got a burr under your saddle for the posters on this board, your overgeneralizations are hilarious. It's like me me saying there are a lot of posters who want only supremely talented players, above all else, to the exclusivity of everything else you mentioned.
There's a middle ground. It's possible to have talented players who develop, don't embarrass the university, and give thoughtful answers when interviewed. Those traits aren't mutually exclusive.
Which is exactly my point. Mix in OADers and players that need multiple years to develop. You can have both and still maintain the integrity of the program and the classiness of its players.
Roy recruits OAD's but he's not going to build his program around them like Cal or the LOM. I haven't seen a single poster say they don't want Roy to recruit OAD's. But I don't want them coming and going every year. I much prefer Roy's method of adding the occasional OAD to a team comprised mainly of 3-4 year guys.
I'm on record as saying numerous times that I don't think the NCAA investigation has hampered us very much in signing OAD's. We simply aren't seen as a OAD school, for reasons that have been discussed here at length. And I'm fine with that.
I'm on record as saying numerous times that I don't think the NCAA investigation has hampered us very much in signing OAD's. We simply aren't seen as a OAD school, for reasons that have been discussed here at length. And I'm fine with that.
It seems like some people want UNC to do what K is doing. Outside of this year (Tatum, Giles, and to a lesser extent Jackson) he has not had a class where the majority of his players were written off as one and done prior to playing. The only class that has had more than 1 is 2015s which won the title. Jones stock was mid-late first(and a big jump of that was the tournament)most people agreed that might be as high as it was going to get. Winslow greatly improved and played his way into the lottery. At the beginning of the year people though those guys would be 2-3 years and Okafor was gone.
Oh, the horror! Uhh, yes, that's exactly what I want. I find it odd that we have fans that wouldn't want that.
And we have found the crux of the debate - reverse that for me. I want guys that go to class, look and speak well, represent the University in a first class manner, get better over the course of their careers and endear themselves to me by acting like they live to play for UNC. If they win a championship, that's just gravy on top.
Finallyyy we are getting somewhere. Okay, I can respect your opinion. I just disagree with it. I do take exception to your "I find it odd that we have fans that wouldn't want that." Not what I said. I want players that go to class, speak well for themselves and the school, and make UNC alum and fans proud.....the only thing we differ on is the number of years they play for Carolina. My view is if it's only one -- and if they still do all the other stuff -- then so be it!
I agree. If all freshman could be as polished as Marcus Paige was a senior, then sure, that's the kind of kid I want. But that's impossible. You can't show the kind of thoughtfulness after one year that Marcus showed the last few years. You can't be a multiple time Academic All-American after one season. You can't shed tears and talk about the impact playing for your dream school had on you on senior night after one season. You can't talk about the lifelong bond you formed with your coaches and teammates after one season. Or I guess you can, but who's going to believe you?
The issue isn't as much time between titles, as what teams have won titles since our last title. The Louisville title in 13 is really the only one I can stomach since 09. A garbage Duke team won in 10, garbage Uconn teams won in 11 and 14 - its disappointing that in years where that crap won, that we weren't really in the mix. UK in 12 and Duke in 15 were won with "mercenary" OAD teams (I don't care that you alluded to Jones and Winslow not being "OAD material" when getting to campus, the fact is that they were OAD) - which is what is prompting the debate as to whether selling your program values down the river for a quick title is worth it or not. Roy hasn't done that, which is pleasing some posters and disappointing others. K did that, which I'm sure pleases most Duke fans - but that's because they didn't really have program values to begin with. It is what it is.
This is a good summation of this whole debate. Some recent titles have been really, really hard to stomach (given that Carolina was nowhere to be found during these title runs). The Duke win over Butler......yeeeesh, that Duke team was trash. But hey, it's still a championship that they have and we don't.
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There is a 2 ton elephant in the room and no one seems to want to say it, so big mouth me is gonna! Now we have tap danced around the question of why Roy has not had more one & done players and the fact that Ky and duke are getting multiples of them every year now days. Many have themselves convinced it is because of the NCAA investigation, OK, there is some of that for sure but you guys know that ain't all of it, you do know that right?
We can all accept that UNC is not looked at as the most one & done friendly program out there, I hope no one disagrees with that statement. The real question is why is UNC looked at that way and honestly, it really is not hard to understand. But in order to understand it you have to take off your UNC fan hat and blue tinted glasses and look at this from the kid's point of view. I can give you 100s of reasons why a highly talented player should play for UNC but none of those things matter if they do not interest the kid. We want to talk about history but these kids are looking ahead, not back, we need to understand that.
So here is the 2 ton elephant that I already know is likely to piss off a lot of folks but I am gonna tell ya what you need to understand more so than what you want to hear. So lets go back in time, Roy just won his very first NCAA championship as a head coach with the help of a one & done player named Marvin Williams. Problem was we pretty much lost our entire team after that title winning season. IT looked bleak for the next season but hey, winning the title was well worth it.
Then we bring in this Kid named Tyler and he set the world on fire as a freshman and everywhere you could hear folks whisper after that freshman season, #50 will be one & done because he will go in the lotto. Well Tyler didn't go as a one & done, in fact he played 4 fantastic years for us and we loved him. Problem was on the recruiting trail the anti UNC folks were pitching, see how Roy held Tyler from the NBA? Not everyone bought that line of bull, we brought in a great class the very next season and Tyler ended up winning the natty his senior season but there were whispers, look Tyler was held back for 4yrs, Ty lawson was held out till he was a Jr, Ellington same thing, see we told ya Roy holds his players back. Heads did start turning, of course Brandan Wright being one & done helped but recruits started questioning.
But Roy brought in what appeared to be a mega class after that last natty, Henson, Dexter, the Wear twins and had Zeller and Ed Davis (who was also suggested should have been one & done but Roy held him back, the list grows). And in that class, can only be described as one of if not the single most disappointing class ever at UNC, up there with Fing & BMo for sure. That class not only did not live up to expectations but in that freshman season we had a NCAA record for games missed by players with injury. We had 2 season ending injuries to starters and most of our 2 deep roster missed games due to injury. Henson was our best player in that class but felt he was a wing and not a 4 and it was not until the NIT that he finally seemed to embrace his real position, Dexter really underwhelmed and Zeller got hurt early and sat most of the season. Many felt Dexter and Henson would very likely be one & done guys but they were not and yep, the rumors about Roy holding his player back from the NBA began to pick up steam. As Kalipari is making love to the one & done rule, rumors were of Roy holding his players out of the draft, portraying Roy as anti one & done player, which never was the case but the negative recruiting sure didn't tell you it was BS. But in the end Henson and Zeller along with Kendal and Reggie, we came close but Creighton decided they needed to take kendal out and we know the rest of that.
But here is where things really took a turn against us and began to feed the negative recruiting, we brought in (in Henson and Zeller's last season) James Michael McAdoo and PJ. Now don't know if you guys recall but I do, in that Micky D game JMM played in he was co-MVP along with Anthony Davis. It was like kaliparo got one and Roy got one, lets see who does best with his kid. JMM was absolutely considered to be a one & done level talent and he barely played his freshman season, understandable because he was behind Zeller and Henson but the deeper truth is JMM was not nearly the level of talent that Anthony Davis was. But fact and perception are 2 very different things. Even playing so little as a freshman there were still folks saying JMM would be a lotto guy if he comes out now, baffeled my mind but you guys saw it. JMM didn't go one & done or 2 and thru he left after a Jr season and frankly never really played up to anything close to his incoming hype. On the recruiting scene it was spun as JMM knew he better get out of there before he drops out of the draft totally, Roy has already caused him to drop out of the first round, dah dah dah dah dah.
WE got Harrison Barnes, finally the Roy is not one & done friendly rumors can stop, Barnes was the top player in his class and duke got kyri Irving who some as well felt was number 1. There is it again, like JMM and Anthony Davis we got Barnes and the dukies got Irving, lets see who does best by the kids and as we already know, Irving was hurt most of his freshman season but still went one & done and Barnes came back for his soph season. Yeah, Barnes came back because the the potential of a NBA lock out but the negative recruiting didn't find the need to mention that, just that yet again Roy held his player out of the draft, again, oh and by the way K didn't.
Now all the sudden the negative recruiters had a list of names they could roll off of who should have been one & done from UNC to compare to the list of names of players their school did see go one & done and not to mention in the mean while Ky wins a natty led by 3 freshmen and a couple short years later so does duke. You add in the you do want to play in the NCAA tourney and have a chance to win a =natty in your only season in college don't ya, what if UNC gets a post season ban in your only college season, better not risk that.
And there ya have it, a bunch of circumstances that on their on mean little but when spun together and crafted at the hands of someone looking to negatively recruit against UNC paints the picture these kids see today, that Roy is not a coach that helps you get in to the draft as quickly as kalipari or K or Self, or a few others. This being spoken by multiple school recruiters, not just duke or Ky but now everyone wants to use it against us, it has become epidemic.
Time cures all things, been a while since we had a absolute one & done kid, Jackson never was considered your prototype one & done mostly because he played in a private school league. The guys that were touted to be one & done but ended up not being that at UNC are not really guys being recruited today played with so it does not impact them as much when someone says JMM or Barnes, actually it may help us now considering they play in the NBA for Golden State, so they don't want to use those names against us any more. The NCAA clouds are parting, for the most part already have for men's basketball so that is not a thing they can hit us with either.
I think we will get a one & done from the 2017 class but it is really important perception wise for us to get more that the one & done we get actually becomes one and done. We do not need another name added to their list so they can see, look, there is another one!
WE have been branded as anti mega talented player and it is hard to lose a brand like that, Ky and duke have now branded themselves as one & done friendly and that brands feeds on itself. How we are branded is why we are not getting these top kids and why Ky and duke are, the truth does not matter if the lie is repeated enough times...Now the lie matters and that is going to take a while to correct...
There is a 2 ton elephant in the room and no one seems to want to say it, so big mouth me is gonna! Now we have tap danced around the question of why Roy has not had more one & done players and the fact that Ky and duke are getting multiples of them every year now days. Many have themselves convinced it is because of the NCAA investigation, OK, there is some of that for sure but you guys know that ain't all of it, you do know that right?
We can all accept that UNC is not looked at as the most one & done friendly program out there, I hope no one disagrees with that statement. The real question is why is UNC looked at that way and honestly, it really is not hard to understand. But in order to understand it you have to take off your UNC fan hat and blue tinted glasses and look at this from the kid's point of view. I can give you 100s of reasons why a highly talented player should play for UNC but none of those things matter if they do not interest the kid. We want to talk about history but these kids are looking ahead, not back, we need to understand that.
So here is the 2 ton elephant that I already know is likely to piss off a lot of folks but I am gonna tell ya what you need to understand more so than what you want to hear. So lets go back in time, Roy just won his very first NCAA championship as a head coach with the help of a one & done player named Marvin Williams. Problem was we pretty much lost our entire team after that title winning season. IT looked bleak for the next season but hey, winning the title was well worth it.
Then we bring in this Kid named Tyler and he set the world on fire as a freshman and everywhere you could hear folks whisper after that freshman season, #50 will be one & done because he will go in the lotto. Well Tyler didn't go as a one & done, in fact he played 4 fantastic years for us and we loved him. Problem was on the recruiting trail the anti UNC folks were pitching, see how Roy held Tyler from the NBA? Not everyone bought that line of bull, we brought in a great class the very next season and Tyler ended up winning the natty his senior season but there were whispers, look Tyler was held back for 4yrs, Ty lawson was held out till he was a Jr, Ellington same thing, see we told ya Roy holds his players back. Heads did start turning, of course Brandan Wright being one & done helped but recruits started questioning.
But Roy brought in what appeared to be a mega class after that last natty, Henson, Dexter, the Wear twins and had Zeller and Ed Davis (who was also suggested should have been one & done but Roy held him back, the list grows). And in that class, can only be described as one of if not the single most disappointing class ever at UNC, up there with Fing & BMo for sure. That class not only did not live up to expectations but in that freshman season we had a NCAA record for games missed by players with injury. We had 2 season ending injuries to starters and most of our 2 deep roster missed games due to injury. Henson was our best player in that class but felt he was a wing and not a 4 and it was not until the NIT that he finally seemed to embrace his real position, Dexter really underwhelmed and Zeller got hurt early and sat most of the season. Many felt Dexter and Henson would very likely be one & done guys but they were not and yep, the rumors about Roy holding his player back from the NBA began to pick up steam. As Kalipari is making love to the one & done rule, rumors were of Roy holding his players out of the draft, portraying Roy as anti one & done player, which never was the case but the negative recruiting sure didn't tell you it was BS. But in the end Henson and Zeller along with Kendal and Reggie, we came close but Creighton decided they needed to take kendal out and we know the rest of that.
But here is where things really took a turn against us and began to feed the negative recruiting, we brought in (in Henson and Zeller's last season) James Michael McAdoo and PJ. Now don't know if you guys recall but I do, in that Micky D game JMM played in he was co-MVP along with Anthony Davis. It was like kaliparo got one and Roy got one, lets see who does best with his kid. JMM was absolutely considered to be a one & done level talent and he barely played his freshman season, understandable because he was behind Zeller and Henson but the deeper truth is JMM was not nearly the level of talent that Anthony Davis was. But fact and perception are 2 very different things. Even playing so little as a freshman there were still folks saying JMM would be a lotto guy if he comes out now, baffeled my mind but you guys saw it. JMM didn't go one & done or 2 and thru he left after a Jr season and frankly never really played up to anything close to his incoming hype. On the recruiting scene it was spun as JMM knew he better get out of there before he drops out of the draft totally, Roy has already caused him to drop out of the first round, dah dah dah dah dah.
WE got Harrison Barnes, finally the Roy is not one & done friendly rumors can stop, Barnes was the top player in his class and duke got kyri Irving who some as well felt was number 1. There is it again, like JMM and Anthony Davis we got Barnes and the dukies got Irving, lets see who does best by the kids and as we already know, Irving was hurt most of his freshman season but still went one & done and Barnes came back for his soph season. Yeah, Barnes came back because the the potential of a NBA lock out but the negative recruiting didn't find the need to mention that, just that yet again Roy held his player out of the draft, again, oh and by the way K didn't.
Now all the sudden the negative recruiters had a list of names they could roll off of who should have been one & done from UNC to compare to the list of names of players their school did see go one & done and not to mention in the mean while Ky wins a natty led by 3 freshmen and a couple short years later so does duke. You add in the you do want to play in the NCAA tourney and have a chance to win a =natty in your only season in college don't ya, what if UNC gets a post season ban in your only college season, better not risk that.
And there ya have it, a bunch of circumstances that on their on mean little but when spun together and crafted at the hands of someone looking to negatively recruit against UNC paints the picture these kids see today, that Roy is not a coach that helps you get in to the draft as quickly as kalipari or K or Self, or a few others. This being spoken by multiple school recruiters, not just duke or Ky but now everyone wants to use it against us, it has become epidemic.
Time cures all things, been a while since we had a absolute one & done kid, Jackson never was considered your prototype one & done mostly because he played in a private school league. The guys that were touted to be one & done but ended up not being that at UNC are not really guys being recruited today played with so it does not impact them as much when someone says JMM or Barnes, actually it may help us now considering they play in the NBA for Golden State, so they don't want to use those names against us any more. The NCAA clouds are parting, for the most part already have for men's basketball so that is not a thing they can hit us with either.
I think we will get a one & done from the 2017 class but it is really important perception wise for us to get more that the one & done we get actually becomes one and done. We do not need another name added to their list so they can see, look, there is another one!
WE have been branded as anti mega talented player and it is hard to lose a brand like that, Ky and duke have now branded themselves as one & done friendly and that brands feeds on itself. How we are branded is why we are not getting these top kids and why Ky and duke are, the truth does not matter if the lie is repeated enough times...Now the lie matters and that is going to take a while to correct...
Let me tell you what will help that - stop measuring UNC against other programs. I used to do it too. And I used to get off on winning a debate with a duke fan about which program was better. I realized that I don't care which program a duke fan feels is better. All I really care about is which program I feel is better. And the enjoyment I get from watching my program be who they are.
Not on senior night, but you can do it any other night.
So Marvin Williams is full of crap when he says great things about UNC? I believe him, but if you don't that's fine.
I don't think anyone is disappointed that Roy hasn't sold the "program values down the river." Some posters (and Roy since he recruits them) would like to see more one and done players at UNC. You can do that and keep your values.
The class I was referring to was 09, it saw us bring in both Wears, Lmac, Dexter, and Henson. Both the Wears transferred in the middle of the night, just skipped town and had daddy call and let folks know. LMac nor Dexter ever played anywhere close to their incoming hype, Henson was really the only player in the bunch and he did very little his freshman season.
By the way, I did not call them trash and do not need your putting words in my mouth. The word I used was disappointing and yes, that was a very disappointing class.
Different people used the word trash...or garbage. Not direct reference to your quotes
You answered something different than what he asked. He asked why we think the 2010 title-winning Duke team was trash.
I find this ironic DSouthr. For years Duke was labeled nonNBA friendly because they didn't live up to the hype. Top highschool recruits werent the best in the NBA. The same schools you speak of talking about UNC that way did it to Duke, true or not, including UNC. Honestly I think UNC is going through that. Let's be honest the kids in these classes started watching ball 2005ish. MJ was done, Carter was certainly very front and center and UNC had plenty of good talent...but not MJ. Not the face of the NBA... Roy hasnt had an NBA superstar the way Dean had Carter, MJ, Jamison, Wallace, James....and many others. Honestly I think more so than OAD UNC has little to no NBA star power. Guys like Green and Barnes are very talented but disappear on the teams they are on. Hansbrough, Henson , Zeller, Davis, Wright, Marvin, TY, Felton...all very good but none of them is the face of the team. They make the team better but it's not the media attention. It seems like a 15 year flip of the two teams viewed by media and biased schools.
Duke has out recruited UNC the last few years, no question..I just want to see how the next couple years go--we'll see if we can get OAD's if Roy thinks they'll fit with the current team--I didn't see many minutes this past year for incoming freshmen and they stayed away, also the bogus Men's BB accusations...we'll see, but I think we're in for a great next couple recruiting years
What years were trash recruiting years for duke? You seem to be saying UNC used to get all the recruits and duke got none, seems to me duke has always got talent. Yes, duke gets more highly rated talent than UNC as of late, seems to align with K working with the Team USA, yep he has leveraged that very nicely for your dukies.
I do not recall, at least since K has been at duke that your program was seen as not NBA player friendly, in fact seems to me that duke always got a strong collection of highly rated players pretty much every year. I do not recall any point where duke struggled to get big time talent to the extent UNC has struggled for the last few years. So I honestly do not see any flip at all, I see duke continuing to get big time talent and UNC not getting the same level of talent we had been used to.
Actually, there has been a flip of sorts, for a very long time kids committed to both UNC and duke for the college experience. Roy still recruits kids and presents the college experience as important to them. K used to do the very same thing but he changed that. First he creates this 3yr sociology degree, graduate from duke in only 3yrs rather than 4 and now it is re-modified to what, 2 semesters of college experience? Basically K has become kalipari, he i splaying the kalipari game and frankly from this Tar Heel's view you are welcome to it. How long now before K proclaims the greatest day in duke history to be NBA draft day?
Threads for the most part do 2 things, they either morph in to some other discussion or they die off. This one morphed...
IDK how many are willing to say right now that UNC will be better than Ky next season, I mean we just lost 2 great players, 2 back bones of our program for 4yrs. I think we have some questions right now about how good we can be, we think we have the talent to be very good but being so without Marcus & Brice isn't the most easy consideration because we have grown so used to having them there that not having them seems like a loss that cannot be recovered from quickly. So I think many are taking a bit more cautious approach to next season, call it cautious optimism.
I think we all know Ky has a heck of a lot of talent they will throw at us next season, many may feel Ky should be better next season than they were last season so for me at least that does not inspire me to want to do a lot of boasting about that match up next season. I do think we can beat them but we have to have guys step up for us and we have to see how they step up.
