Hopefully doing that a 3rd time would be a fitting response.I just saw 247’s mid season top four all American Teams and Joel didn’t make any of the teams. I am so tired of Joel not getting the respect he deserves. Back to back title games and scoring 20 plus in both. For him not to be on at least the second Team is an insult!
Shamet of Witchita St. I understand at the moment for Brunson and Young being on the first team. However, Joel without a doubt should be ahead of Shamet. I believe Witchita St. is a very good and dangerous team but take Joel is a flat out winner. Tremendous floor leader, scorer, team leader and a hard nose defender.Who should Berry replace, and why?
Previous years are entirely irrelevant. This is based on the current season.
I just saw 247’s mid season top four all American Teams and Joel didn’t make any of the teams. I am so tired of Joel not getting the respect he deserves. Back to back title games and scoring 20 plus in both. For him not to be on at least the second Team is an insult!
Hey, at this point don't sweat it. JB has proven on the court what he is about, and when the media-darling PGs came calling last season he showed them what was up, and he'll likely do it again if and when the time comes.Joel has proven he is one of the best in college basketball. But evidently there is still people in the media or at 247 that do not agree
Shamet of Witchita St. I understand at the moment for Brunson and Young being on the first team. However, Joel without a doubt should be ahead of Shamet. I believe Witchita St. is a very good and dangerous team but take Joel is a flat out winner. Tremendous floor leader, scorer, team leader and a hard nose defender.
Shamet has been way better than Joel so far, at least on offense. I have no idea how good he is on defense, but he's shooting 58% on twos compared to Joel's 40%, and 52% on threes compared to Joel's 38%. He also gets to the line more often and has a 2.5 A/TO ratio compared to Joel's 1.9.Shamet of Witchita St. I understand at the moment for Brunson and Young being on the first team. However, Joel without a doubt should be ahead of Shamet. I believe Witchita St. is a very good and dangerous team but take Joel is a flat out winner. Tremendous floor leader, scorer, team leader and a hard nose defender.
I really don't GAS about the mid-season AA teams and whatnot, and I have nothing against Shamet or anyone getting recognized for fine play... but if you think for a second any of that stuff you looked up means Shamet is better than Berry? Well,Shamet scores almost as much (21.4 pts/40mins vs 22.4 pts/40mins) with significantly better efficiency (72.9% TS% vs 53.5% TS%) and significantly better playmaking (30.3 AST% vs 17.1% AST%). He leads his team in points and assists. Berry leads his team in neither.
Berry is great. Everyone thinks he's great. It's not disrespectful to say other players deserve recognition over him.
This is key to the discussion. There’s no stat for the turnover caused by 29sec of ball hawking........For most of these awards/teams your stats matter. Joel's stats are not great.
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Yeah, it's completely insane to think scoring efficiently and creating for others without turning the ball over matters in the game of basketball. /sarcasmI really don't GAS about the mid-season AA teams and whatnot, and I have nothing against Shamet or anyone getting recognized for fine play... but if you think for a second any of that stuff you looked up means Shamet is better than Berry? Well,
No it’s not sayingShamet scores almost as much (21.4 pts/40mins vs 22.4 pts/40mins) with significantly better efficiency (72.9% TS% vs 53.5% TS%) and significantly better playmaking (30.3 AST% vs 17.1% AST%). He leads his team in points and assists. Berry leads his team in neither.
Berry is great. Everyone thinks he's great. It's not disrespectful to say other players deserve recognition over him.
Wow. So you would take him to lead your team over Joel? I get stats but there is a bigger number involved......Joel winsShamet has been better than Berry so far this season. This really isn't even a debate.
I think so. We'd be outraged if Shamet were here and Joel was being awarded over him. And Joel is my favorite player on the team and one of the best players in basketball, but give me a break. Shamet is absolutely killing it.Shamet has been better than Berry so far this season. This really isn't even a debate.
It's called basketball not being a video game #notsarcasmYeah, it's completely insane to think scoring efficiently and creating for others without turning the ball over matters in the game of basketball. /sarcasm
They certainly have a large part to play in player evaluation. True Shooting % is just another form of shooting percentage that more accurately accounts for 3pt attempts and free throws, it's not PER. The defense, intangibles, and SOS sway things much more in Joel's favor though I think, and that stuff doesn't show up in the box score.It's called basketball not being a video game #notsarcasm
Seriously, all he had to say was that Joel's percentages, etc, got off to a slow start this season and it's thus not completely surprising that he's getting left off of a mid-season AA team... but, as usual, pln's insinuation went way beyond that.
You yourself correctly pointed out that the competition level is night and day different, but even with that caveat, I'm not at all surprised that JB's shooting pcts would hurt him being recognized for this season thus far --- that's all fair enough --- but again, my point is that as to who's the better player? Numerical snapshots don't tell the whole story by any means.
but, as usual, pln's insinuation went way beyond that.
Who should Berry replace, and why?
Previous years are entirely irrelevant. This is based on the current season.
Shamet scores almost as much (21.4 pts/40mins vs 22.4 pts/40mins) with significantly better efficiency (72.9% TS% vs 53.5% TS%) and significantly better playmaking (30.3 AST% vs 17.1% AST%). He leads his team in points and assists. Berry leads his team in neither.
Berry is great. Everyone thinks he's great. It's not disrespectful to say other players deserve recognition over him.
Who cares?
Mid season AA teams don’t mean crap. Joel is one of the most respected players in the nation and one of the best. He doesn’t need a nonexistent award to prove that because he already has.
And I’m sure Joel doesn’t give a rat’s ass either.
Joel's 2 point game has always been the drive. It worked when he had Isiah and Kennedy as threats to dish to. This year not only does his man stay on him but every opponent within 5 feet steps up because they know there is no one for him to dish to.
The alternative is to stop driving. That would be a huge mistake.
IMO he's still the best point guard in the country, just not the best shooter as a pg.
He's obviously a high NBA prospect because he shoots 90% from the foul line, right PLN 2013
You were doing so well... Alas, you didn't stop after 2 comments.His pull-up 2 has always been great - that and his 3pt shot are his best offensive assets. He's never been great at getting to the rim or dishing to teammates. It's just more of a problem this year, because we need him to do those things.
Agreed. It's important that he (and Theo, and others) continue to put pressure on the defense.
You won't find anyone not wearing light blue who would take Berry over Trae Young. And very few who would take Berry over Brunson.
Fun strawman. But his shooting is indeed NBA-level, which is what FT% is predictive of. It's basically everything else - size, length, athleticism, vision - that prevents him from being a real NBA prospect.
You won't find anyone not wearing light blue who would take Berry over Trae Young. And very few who would take Berry over Brunson.
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His pull-up 2 has always been great - that and his 3pt shot are his best offensive assets. He's never been great at getting to the rim or dishing to teammates. It's just more of a problem this year, because we need him to do those things.
Agreed. It's important that he (and Theo, and others) continue to put pressure on the defense.
You won't find anyone not wearing light blue who would take Berry over Trae Young. And very few who would take Berry over Brunson.
Fun strawman. But his shooting is indeed NBA-level, which is what FT% is predictive of. It's basically everything else - size, length, athleticism, vision - that prevents him from being a real NBA prospect.
I support Joel 100% & feel fortunate we have him. That said, Luke is a much better threat to score than Isaiah was. I agree the freshmen aren't nearly as good as Kennedy, but there are still players Joel can dish to. Let's not throw our other players under the bus to support one.Joel's 2 point game has always been the drive. It worked when he had Isiah and Kennedy as threats to dish to. This year not only does his man stay on him but every opponent within 5 feet steps up because they know there is no one for him to dish to. The alternative is to stop driving. That would be a huge mistake. IMO he's still the best point guard in the country, just not the best shooter as a pg. He's obviously a high NBA prospect because he shoots 90% from the foul line, right PLN 2013
Outside shooting isn't consistent enough to the NBA and he's a SG in a PG's body
FunnyHe's obviously a high NBA prospect because he shoots 90% from the foul line, right PLN 2013
I support Joel 100% & feel fortunate we have him. That said, Luke is a much better threat to score than Isaiah was. I agree the freshmen aren't nearly as good as Kennedy, but there are still players Joel can dish to. Let's not throw our other players under the bus to support one.
I loved Isaiah, but don't remember him being a huge threat to score last year. If he hadn't been such a target for the refs & could actually stay in the game for any length of time, he may have been. (FWIW, I've watched basketball many years & have never seen a player as targeted as Isaiah was for fouls.) Luke scores all over the floor. That doesn't mean he also doesn't score inside at times. He may get blocked occasionally, but Kennedy, as awesome as he was for us, also got blocked often. I think people are remembering some things more fondly than they were, especially when it comes to Luke vs. Isaiah. As I said above, the freshman don't equal Kennedy, but it's hard to imagine how anyone could think Luke isn't a much better offensive threat than Isaiah was.We had 2 very capable players near the basket for the entire game every game last year. That's obviously not the case this year. Luke is not the threat to score inside that Hicks was. Making that statement is not throwing anybody under the bus.