Longo must Go!
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Whatever Brown owed him, it should be paid by now. I looked at his coaching history and I just don't understand the appeal. I'd hate to see who Mack turned down to go with Longo.
We score enough points to win basically every game we play so I can live with Longo for now. But as far as Bateman goes I’m done with this shit show we call defense.
Yeah, the more I think on it, the defense is worse.
Longo's play-calling on that last series was pathetic but we did put up 45. We do need a better OL coach though for sure.
But will Mack make a move? He is loyal to a fault. Maybe part of the reason he got run out of Austin after highly recruited talent was underachieving. But at this point Mack may have issues with hiring top level assistants. At Mack's age, he is going to hang it up one day soon. I really think he took this job to turn it complete around in 3-4 years then ride off as a hero. That clock is ticking. Not going to be able to attract top flight folks when they know changes are coming not too far down the road.
Longo isn’t helping us but Bateman is absolutely killing us!! 45 should be enough to win every game and I don’t care if you score all 45 in the first quarter or the first half and you crap the bed the entire second half!
Program will continue to be mediocre until they can field a defense. Year 3 and I've seen little to no improvement from the defense.
Seth Littrell could be out at North Texas and IMO would be an upgrade from Longo. If Bubba is willing to break out the check book, then he should go after someone like Jay Gruden.
Muschamp is a name that has been mentioned a few times on here for DC and would almost certainly be an upgrade from Bateman.
I don't see Bubba taking the nuclear option and replacing Mack, but Chris Petersen is still available...
Muschamp is a name that has been mentioned a few times on here for DC and would almost certainly be an upgrade from Bateman.
I don't see Bubba taking the nuclear option and replacing Mack, but Chris Petersen is still available...
I simply don't think Brown has any intention of replacing any of his coaches.
Denny Marcin passed away. Where's Carl Torbush? I'm talking DC, not HC. And I'm just kidding. of course. But still...let me dream of better days.
I like Longo's system, it's the play calling that irks me. I knew he was um, limited when he played right into Venables' hands on that two-point conversion against Clemson. When he started running it up the gut yesterday I just figured the game was lost. That was the worst I remember ever feeling about a game we won. That probably says more about my memory than it does about the game, but the point is we won a game we didn't deserve to win, and that feels like a loss to me.
Can we keep Longo for the system and hire an offensive play calling coach?
I like Longo's system, it's the play calling that irks me. I knew he was um, limited when he played right into Venables' hands on that two-point conversion against Clemson. When he started running it up the gut yesterday I just figured the game was lost. That was the worst I remember ever feeling about a game we won. That probably says more about my memory than it does about the game, but the point is we won a game we didn't deserve to win, and that feels like a loss to me.
Can we keep Longo for the system and hire an offensive play calling coach?
We still have a top-20 O based on usual stats, but it feels like the O is less effective when/where it needs to help manage the outcome of the gm. Like just needing that 1st down with 3 Min to go last nite. Or late gm RedZone vs good defenses.
With an arm like Howell you *should* be a top-25 O at least though. Longo did a few nice things in the RedZone last nite. These multi-TE sets have been fruitful. He isn't the worst option, but I still hope he goes.
With an arm like Howell you *should* be a top-25 O at least though. Longo did a few nice things in the RedZone last nite. These multi-TE sets have been fruitful. He isn't the worst option, but I still hope he goes.
it ain't great right now, but I'm gonna have to disagree with the comparison to Fedora. Mentioning Fedora actually makes me feel better about where we are.
Heck bring Fedora back to be the OC, But Lingo had me snatching my head alot. He calls runs plays when it's a pass play then a pass play when it's need to be a run play. RPO, is a thing of beauty but it seem the OL is waiting instead of going out to block someone. But too, when it seem we can only throw to 1 WR that's not good. Yes, some have drop issues but don't write them off. But I was a bit surprised to see Coach Mack get on Lingo. Mack a nice dude but it's his program and he has to do what's best for his program. Defense side, the players I expect to make plays arent but that #33 has save us. #44 doesn't seem all that like last year or maybe it was Surgatt present that his job alot easy. DB, still working progress. DL we spend to much time going east/west not north/south same as OL at times. Anyhow We're gonna be alright just have a little faith. GO HEELS
He didn't turn anyone down. Longo wasn't his first choice.
I agree. I think that Mack's view is that every assistant he hires should be untouchable until Mack himself is out of his job.
The more that is the case, the more it means that Bubba must face the fact that unless Mack wins at least 8 games each year, Mack needs to be fired, because Mack won't make changes.
Playing not to lose was pathetic. That quarterback draw at the end of the game has to be one of the dumbest calls I have ever seen at that time of the game. You play win when you know your defense can't hold them.
If you were a coach that was wanted by more schools that UNC for the OC job, and Mack told you that you would have to accept all the UNC position coaches on offense, would you take the job?
Would you risk your reputation as an OC on Searels as OL coach? Would you want Galloway as WR coach? We have absolutely failed to develop any WRs other than Downs, and that gross failure goes to the WR coach not the OC.
You cannot fix an offense with only a new OC if any of the position coaches are also less than strong.
he was looking for an Air Raid guy, and he tried the heavier hitters first, like Kliff Klingsbury(?). Longo's an Air Raid guy, and he incorporates more of a run game in his scheme which just shickles me titless. I like it, I just am not sold on Longo's abilty to assess the situation and call plays accordingly.
You're one of the "fans" that Mack Brown was referring to in his post-game PC. I might be one, too.
I do believe so. Mack is just like he was at Texas: he assumes that his hires must be happily embraced until he, without any pressure, decides to replace them. That works well when you keep going 10-2 and you work for the richest athletics department in the country per most accounts.
But when you are struggling to win more than 8 games, and the fans have a long history of checking out when it becomes clear that the program is in a rut, and then you clearly take a down turn, you are as arrogant as Hell to think that people are not going to question, first, your assistants and then, if things do not get better, you.
Searels' history more than invites close scrutiny. Bly with 0 college coaching experience demands scrutiny. What Ole Miss fans said about Longo matters. Mack's history of blind loyalty to assistants who never piss him off matters. The list goes on.
Mack cannot successfully order or guilt or bribe or beg fans to believe all things are great when we see not just losses but poor fundamentals across every position group. This year is an unmistakable regression from last year.
Disagree on scoring enough. We consistently leave points off the board and generally suck in the red zone. It's almost exclusively because of the playbook. We don't have enough options to keep the other team guessing and the vast majority of the plays we have are slow developing. Miami is a pretty bad team and putting up 45 on them isn't some outstanding accomplishment.
"This year is an unmistakable regression from last year."
it is if you're watching the game and not just the outcome. The obvious comeback is 'well sure, what with all the star power we lost'. The average fan might buy that and we all understand losing a good deal of capacity in those positions....but the problem is spread all over. It's disturbing and disheartening, and to placate the fans that aren't filling those empty seats, we need to see the problem being addressed in a meaningful way.
And the outcomes are even more disheartening than the product being put on the field. I can live with ugly wins. But losing to an atrocious FSU team is just sad.
Reminds me of the comment they read from Sam before the Miami game. “We can’t let our records define us.” Well buddy, that’s exactly what defines a team. You don’t hear Alabama’s QB talking about how their record doesn’t define them.
If all the staff is doing the job, then when you lose 'star power' you have players developed to take their place.
I find it nearly unfathomable that we could have signed so much WR talent over the past years and have only 1 WR this season who looks like he really knows how to play WR on the major college level. That means we have had no WR development.
And then there is the OL. Games are won in the trenches. If your OL floats from average to downright poor play, your offense is seriously handicapped any time you face a D with major talent and/or good talent with first rate coaching. 3rd year starters often look like RS freshmen starting for the first time. And no depth has been developed.
Are there signs that Searles and Galloway definitely will produce well developed players next year? If so, what are those signs? If Mack sees them, he should make us all aware.
That's just 2 position groups on offense. As you say, "the problem is spread all over." WE have players with experience who play as if they are new to CFB, and we have very little player development, on both sides of the ball and on all position groups.
It is next to impossible to solve all those issues with pep talks for the staff or even by firing both coordinators.
For UNC football, the problem immediately goes to fans. A sizable piece of the UNC football fan base is already at last half checked out for this season. The UNC football fan base has a decades long molding that has produced a crowd that is easily demoralized and just stops watching. People throw up their hands and accept mediocrity because they assume it never can get better.
Mack's successes always have been based on his silver tongue wowing recruits and journalists. Mack charms people to get them to play for him and write for him. Charm can draw top recruits even when the team is losing (unless the losing gets too big) and charm can keep the media at bay a long time. But charm does not make a mediocre OL coach into a master of OL development. Charm does not mean that players on the UNC D will suddenly start tackling well because fundamentals have been taught well, and demanded, by position coaches.
All of the offensive stars that exited were Fedora recruits. And, I guess Sam came because of Mack.
Mack's recruiting success has definitely been more weighted to the defense. He's obviously had some good pulls on offense, but it's lagging compared to the D.
Someone said that Howell audibled into a draw on the 3rd down , but the OL either didn't hear or something because the play would have been wide open if blocked correctly(assuming the OL is capable of That). I'm not and X and O's guy , so I don't know.
I'm glad that Sam is a running threat, but I still think he runs too much. You cannot risk his health so much.
Sam- Came here because of Mack
Downs- Came here because of Bly, whom came here by way of Mack
With the loss of Brown, maybe they'll start playing Jones/Paysour/Blackwell etc to see what they can do as the Brown/Simmons/Olson/Green experiment ain't it.
Downs- Came here because of Bly, whom came here by way of Mack
With the loss of Brown, maybe they'll start playing Jones/Paysour/Blackwell etc to see what they can do as the Brown/Simmons/Olson/Green experiment ain't it.
it was said by many in here during preseason and also highlighted by the good analysts who didn’t overly believe the hype on us this year. the key in going from good to great, is line play on both sides of the ball. there’s enough marquee skill guys that you can sign each year among the top 25 teams in the country but the perennial top 5-10 also gobble up the lion share of the big ugly’s on both sides. we haven’t done that consistently yet. so we are stuck with a shitty line protecting arguably the best QB in the country who seemingly only has 1 reliable target that can stretch the field. On the defensive side, we don’t consistently get pressure against anybody good and as such, our backers and DB’s get cooked having to defend for 5 seconds down field.
Add Gosnell to that list. Like to see what he could do in real game action.
Very well stated about the fans and Mack's greatest asset. Mack could sell heating units in Miami and make a great living. IMO our fans are worse than the product on the field. As a season ticket holder it is depressing to know that people are just not going to show up to games. Let us now fool ourselves, recruits pay attention to this.
Big time programs have fans that do not jump the ship so quickly. The kids deserve much better than this.
Gosnell has played a little, I was mainly talking about the true Frosh that haven't sniffed the field but would also like to get Gosnell more involved as well. He killed it in High School over at East Surry.
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