Manley

[DSouthr]

Lmao, do you seriously believe this crap? Way to twist this into something it's not.

Those "under the radar" guys are rarely what they turn out to be as a Freshman. They often play behind someone and blow up after their 2nd or 3rd year.

We could possibly have only 1 Big on the roster next year, and you're trying to claim that we should go looking for an "under the radar" guy for that very same year? You're assigning Tony Bradley expectations to Manley. That's about as comical as it gets.

Rose, I can go with the Tony Bradley "lite" expectations, but Tony has not exactly been Tim Duncan so far for us so to say Tony "lite" is not really going over the top. Now I would expect Tony as a soph to be a much much better player than manley as a freshman, I expect Tony as a soph to be a MUCH better player than Tony the freshman. I like him MUCH more than Joel James at the same point.

We are going to have at least 2 big men on our roster next season, even if Tony goes because both manley and Huffman will be with us and neither of those kids can be considered anything less than big! LOL

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Rose, I can go with the Tony Bradley "lite" expectations, but Tony has not exactly been Tim Duncan so far for us so to say Tony "lite" is not really going over the top. Now I would expect Tony as a soph to be a much much better player than manley as a freshman, I expect Tony as a soph to be a MUCH better player than Tony the freshman. I like him MUCH more than Joel James at the same point.

We are going to have at least 2 big men on our roster next season, even if Tony goes because both manley and Huffman will be with us and neither of those kids can be considered anything less than big! LOL

I know this wasn't your main point but as one of those who has thought the Tim Duncan comparison makes sense, I should point out that Tony actually has been like Tim Duncan at the same point in his career. Maybe even better, since Duncan started slow.

So far this year, Tony has had 1 bad game (Ga Tech) and a couple of ordinary ones. That could well be tops on the team. A quick glance at stats for Justin, Joel and Kennedy supports that impression. Tony and Kennedy may be the 2 most consistent players on the team. Justin and Joel may be better, but both have had more bad or mediocre games.

Here are some interesting stats comparing Tony so far with Duncan's frosh season on a 40 minute basis...

Duncan - 13.0 pnts 12.7 rbs 5.0 blks 1.2 asts

Tony P - 21.2 pnts 14.8 rbs 1.8 blks 2.0 asts

The main difference between Duncan and Tony may be that Duncan had to play a lot of minutes because of personnel losses at Wake. He was good enough to thrive. With any luck, we'll never know whether Tony would similarly thrive or whether that pressure would hurt him. Those things can go either way.

Except for the last game (when we don't even know if Tony was healthy), he's been coming along really well.

 

[DSouthr]

I know this wasn't your main point but as one of those who has thought the Tim Duncan comparison makes sense, I should point out that Tony actually has been like Tim Duncan at the same point in his career. Maybe even better, since Duncan started slow.

So far this year, Tony has had 1 bad game (Ga Tech) and a couple of ordinary ones. That could well be tops on the team. A quick glance at stats for Justin, Joel and Kennedy supports that impression. Tony and Kennedy may be the 2 most consistent players on the team. Justin and Joel may be better, but both have had more bad or mediocre games.

Here are some interesting stats comparing Tony so far with Duncan's frosh season on a 40 minute basis...

Duncan - 13.0 pnts 12.7 rbs 5.0 blks 1.2 asts

Tony P - 21.2 pnts 14.8 rbs 1.8 blks 2.0 asts

The main difference between Duncan and Tony may be that Duncan had to play a lot of minutes because of personnel losses at Wake. He was good enough to thrive. With any luck, we'll never know whether Tony would similarly thrive or whether that pressure would hurt him. Those things can go either way.

Except for the last game (when we don't even know if Tony was healthy), he's been coming along really well.

I get the lure of translating lesser PT production to the what if it were 40mins, problem is it doesn't work that way and IMO especially for Tony. IMO, 2 major things Tony has to work on during the next off season are getting stronger and stamina. I am not sure he has the stamina to play big minutes right now, not intended to be a dig at the kid but he seems pretty taxed by the minutes he has been getting. I would like to see him with a jump to about 18mins and no less to see if he can handle that consistently and from there maybe up to around 20-22.

I would, for most teams, like to see Tony be our first big man off the bench no matter if it is meeks or Hicks that come out first. If he comes in for Hicks, I would rather see Meeks move to the 4 than Tony at the 4.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I get the lure of translating lesser PT production to the what if it were 40mins, problem is it doesn't work that way and IMO especially for Tony. IMO, 2 major things Tony has to work on during the next off season are getting stronger and stamina. I am not sure he has the stamina to play big minutes right now, not intended to be a dig at the kid but he seems pretty taxed by the minutes he has been getting. I would like to see him with a jump to about 18mins and no less to see if he can handle that consistently and from there maybe up to around 20-22.

I would, for most teams, like to see Tony be our first big man off the bench no matter if it is meeks or Hicks that come out first. If he comes in for Hicks, I would rather see Meeks move to the 4 than Tony at the 4.

I agree with all your points here - stamina, minutes, first off the bench, and Kennedy moving to PF when Isaiah goes out.

However . . . if you compare Tony as a frosh with Isaiah as a junior, you may be a bit surprised.

Isaiah - 18.1 mins 8.9 pts 4.6 rbs 3.0 fouls
Tony B - 16.1 mins 8.5 pts 5.9 rbs 1.5 fouls

Before the season started we knew that Isaiah and Kennedy would need to step up to replace Brice's production. Mainly Isaiah, since he would be starting (whereas Kennedy was already a starter), but Kennedy, too.

And then we needed someone to step up and replace Isaiah's off the bench performance last year - which, remember, earned him ACC 6th man recognition.

What we are seeing, so far, is that Tony is doing a darn good job of filling Isaiah's shoes.

This year's starting front line (Kennedy and Isaiah) have come close to replacing last year's (Brice and Kennedy).

B+K (2016) - 48.6 mins 26.2 pts 16.3 rbs 4.9 fouls
I+K (2017) - 46.2 mins 25.0 pts 14.6 rbs 5.2 fouls

Close, but not quite there. Kennedy has stepped up more than Isaiah, so far, but both have improved.

 

[Archer2]

I see a guy who is 6-10/240 who has good hands and can run the court. Yes, he needs to improve his conditioning. But everyone is cautioning that we need to give Theo a month or two to get his conditioning back and recover from his injury. And Theo's only missed about 9 weeks. Manley missed large chunks of two years with injuries. Suffice it to say it will take time for him to get in shape. Plus, he has the additional burden of learning to play with 2 additional inches and 40 more pounds. That doesn't happen overnight.

And despite all this as well as playing on a highly ranked team that is talented and deep, he's averaging a double double. That's pretty impressive to this old Tar Heel.

 

[Sk1310]

I see a guy who is 6-10/240 who has good hands and can run the court. Yes, he needs to improve his conditioning. But everyone is cautioning that we need to give Theo a month or two to get his conditioning back and recover from his injury. And Theo's only missed about 9 weeks. Manley missed large chunks of two years with injuries. Suffice it to say it will take time for him to get in shape. Plus, he has the additional burden of learning to play with 2 additional inches and 40 more pounds. That doesn't happen overnight.

And despite all this as well as playing on a highly ranked team that is talented and deep, he's averaging a double double. That's pretty impressive to this old Tar Heel.

Here is what a person that does this for a living said:

http://247sports.com/Article/247Spo...-the-best-classes-and-recruits-in-th-50255319


"The two bigs, Brandon Huffman and Sterling Manley, Roy Williams really may have gotten steals on. Both are playing well their senior years and both may go up in the rankings. I’m hoping for big things from them. Huffman has the body to come in right away and the skill set, but he needs to work on his conditioning. Manley may be the biggest steal"

Being optimistic is delusional though...

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Thanks for the video dude! Idiots aside, we need to see how these peeps really play during the course of real action. It is hard to judge them when they are playing those No-D-Required All Star Games or the MIx tapes showing all their best plays. I prefer to see a young man blocking shots on his and other's peeps, passing, and running the floor. I saw a real big with potential and obvious heart. Coming back from devastating injuries indicates a dedication and persistence that will pay off. I saw a kid with flaws that can be fixed, not the kind that seem to persist. He needs to get in better shape. play a little harder, demand the ball more, and work on some post counter moves. I believe he is the type to do these things and I know we have the staff to teach them!

 

[GoNtheDistance]

Blah

 

[gauchoheel]

I am excited to watch Manley play next year. I really hope he is underrated. That said, I still think we need to add another high level big, whether via recruiting or transfer. Bradley, Maye, Huff, and Manley is not enough. Heck, having Meeks, Hicks, Bradley, and Maye doesn't seem to be enough sometimes this year.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I happen to think that group would be enough but I'm optimistic that Bradley and Huff will progress before next season. I think Maye is what he is and that is good for spelling the other bigs and Manley is a potential diamond but needs plenty of work. Hopefully we get another, ready-to-play big, but I think we can compete either way.

 

[Steat]

The latest game... Manley's team beat the defending state champ. Manley went up against Wesson, rated #77 in Scout. Manley's team won and remains undefeated led by Soph Francis with 27 points.

 

[heels05champs]

Just from that video, it appears that Wesson is much more fluid than Manley and he's only the #77 rated prospect.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

What was Manley's stat line? He seemed to hold his own there. Our staff can certainly help him get stronger and bigger. They will soon fix his defensive positioning and effort too. I like the potential I just saw and I really like how he didn't back down to a bigger, stronger opponent. Plenty to love here, including better motor than last video, AND plenty to work on here!

Welcome to the Family, Mr. Manley!

 

[heelmanwilm]

Reminds me of luke maye

 

[Steat]

What was Manley's stat line? He seemed to hold his own there. Our staff can certainly help him get stronger and bigger. They will soon fix his defensive positioning and effort too. I like the potential I just saw and I really like how he didn't back down to a bigger, stronger opponent. Plenty to love here, including better motor than last video, AND plenty to work on here!

Welcome to the Family, Mr. Manley!

Manley had 8 points, 3 rebounds. He missed most of the game due to foul trouble.
Wesson was a load. Wesson finished with 19 points, 12 rebounds.

Manley is the third option on the team. They have two other major college prospects on the team.

 

[2DDIMOND]

What was Manley's stat line? He seemed to hold his own there. Our staff can certainly help him get stronger and bigger. They will soon fix his defensive positioning and effort too. I like the potential I just saw and I really like how he didn't back down to a bigger, stronger opponent. Plenty to love here, including better motor than last video, AND plenty to work on here!

Welcome to the Family, Mr. Manley!

I usually agree with you KAPFS but I didn't see a lot to get excited about, at least for next year. Of course I'm an optimist & believe he can be molded into a solid player down the road but I'm just not sure how much he'll help next year. I hope I'm really wrong & he's a stud.

 

[dadika13]

Manley had 8 points, 3 rebounds. He missed most of the game due to foul trouble.
Wesson was a load. Wesson finished with 19 points, 12 rebounds.

Manley is the third option on the team. They have two other major college prospects on the team.

Get excited!!!

 

[Steat]

Get excited!!!

You got that right! Bossi on the National Board just moved him into the Top 10 and predicts him as OAD!

 

[heels05champs]

You got that right! Bossi on the National Board just moved him into the Top 10 and predicts him as OAD!

Don't forget, he was gonna be a 5* prior to the injury but will still be a high 4* after the injury.

 

[Steat]

Don't forget, he was gonna be a 5* prior to the injury but will still be a high 4* after the injury.

Not only that, he will find a way to skip college and go directly to the NBA!

 

[gauchoheel]

I happen to think that group would be enough but I'm optimistic that Bradley and Huff will progress before next season. I think Maye is what he is and that is good for spelling the other bigs and Manley is a potential diamond but needs plenty of work. Hopefully we get another, ready-to-play big, but I think we can compete either way.

The dropoff from Maye as big to Maye as a starter is pretty large, even if he's a year older. I don't see how you're comfortable with that. Besides, if JJax leaves we only have 11 scholarship players. Got to find someone worth using a scholly on.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

Reminds me of luke maye

Don't put those impossible expectations on him just yet, he hasn't even gotten to campus!

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I don't anticipate Maye as a starter and I don't anticipate Manley as a stud next year either!

If nothing changes Bradley and most likely Mr. Huff could develop into a starter or we could start TP at 4. I'm not as down on Maye being a starter at the beginning of the season if Huff or Manley can't fit the bill either. I would expect one of them to develop into a starter by ACC play though so Maye can continue to do what he is good at, spell the other bigs.

I see potential because he has a few things you can't teach (size, persistence, natural athleticism) and seems to have good instincts for bball. I also love the incredible will he showed coming back from such devastating injuries. He needs work on skills and strength/conditioning, but not attitude and this is exciting to me. This is what I see to work with.

All the ridiculous immediate star talk must have come from some where else!

 

[RoseHeel]

Reminds me of luke maye

Desmond Hubert Clone.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Every stinkin thread! You guys wanna talk basketball or not?

 

[Archer2]

The constant sarcasm is getting old guys. You need to find a new schtick.

I think Huffman will start alongside Tony next year. Theo is a natural three in college and will assume JJ's vacated spot(most expect his departure barring unforeseen events). I think our other starters will be Kenny and Jalek( again assuming Joel leaves). That's a pretty good starting five. If Joel and/or JJ return, even better.

 

[montana_heel]

Archer. What do you think if Knox should commit to us? I wonder if Theo and Knox could play the 3/4 in starting roles. That would cause us to change what we try to do normally in the half court with 2 bigs.

 

[DSouthr]

The constant sarcasm is getting old guys. You need to find a new schtick.

I think Huffman will start alongside Tony next year. Theo is a natural three in college and will assume JJ's vacated spot(most expect his departure barring unforeseen events). I think our other starters will be Kenny and Jalek( again assuming Joel leaves). That's a pretty good starting five. If Joel and/or JJ return, even better.

Depends on Knox decision but call it worst case then yeah, Huff would have a great chance to start. I am hearing some rumblings, we may have an addition to the roster next season that may have to sit out a year and have 2 years of eligibility remaining. Gonna hold it for a tease for right now to see if it develops further.

Manley as Desmond, I think he will be more advanced as a scorer than Desmond, if he can defend like Desmond then I will be happy with that, Dez was a under appreciated defender that was just really not good on the offensive end with the ball. If Manley does not go in to panic mode any time the ball hits his hands then he wil produce more on the offensive end than Dez was able to. I can go with Manley as Dez on the low side but I think his upside is MUCH higher, as in a poor man's Tony Bradley, meaning a little less upside than Tony but not a ton less. Very raw right now and the more I see him the more I see how badly he needs to work on conditioning and adding strength and both of those things wil happen, either before or after getting to us. I think he can give us a decent 8-10 mins a game next season, hope he does not have to give us much more than that.

 

[montana_heel]

I would hope that he has some type of lifting plan from us already.

If I am his size and have this opportunity in front of me, I would be doing everything that I can to maximize it. He has the chance to make a lot of money in the future, even if it is overseas. That is a lot of motivation.

 

[gauchoheel]

The constant sarcasm is getting old guys. You need to find a new schtick.

I think Huffman will start alongside Tony next year. Theo is a natural three in college and will assume JJ's vacated spot(most expect his departure barring unforeseen events). I think our other starters will be Kenny and Jalek( again assuming Joel leaves). That's a pretty good starting five. If Joel and/or JJ return, even better.

There's certainly got to be additional recruits coming in right? If JJ leaves, we're down to 11 guys. If Joel leaves too we're down to 10. No sense having a roster that small. Grad transfer?

 

[Sk1310]

Depends on Knox decision but call it worst case then yeah, Huff would have a great chance to start. I am hearing some rumblings, we may have an addition to the roster next season that may have to sit out a year and have 2 years of eligibility remaining. Gonna hold it for a tease for right now to see if it develops further.

Manley as Desmond, I think he will be more advanced as a scorer than Desmond, if he can defend like Desmond then I will be happy with that, Dez was a under appreciated defender that was just really not good on the offensive end with the ball. If Manley does not go in to panic mode any time the ball hits his hands then he wil produce more on the offensive end than Dez was able to. I can go with Manley as Dez on the low side but I think his upside is MUCH higher, as in a poor man's Tony Bradley, meaning a little less upside than Tony but not a ton less. Very raw right now and the more I see him the more I see how badly he needs to work on conditioning and adding strength and both of those things wil happen, either before or after getting to us. I think he can give us a decent 8-10 mins a game next season, hope he does not have to give us much more than that.

You have to give us a name. Come on Dave.

 

[DSouthr]

You have to give us a name. Come on Dave.

SK, sorry my man, not going to go there just yet, nothing may come from it, if it develops further then I will be glad to provide a name, but for now it is just a maybe but kind of a strong maybe.

 

[alabamaheel]

Desmond Hubert Clone.

I'm not a sarcastic person at all Rose so I can't tell if you are going there or not. But, Manley hit 11 fts in one game this year already. LOL I don't think DH hit 11 in his whole career at UNC. My opinion, not even close.

 

[Sk1310]

SK, sorry my man, not going to go there just yet, nothing may come from it, if it develops further then I will be glad to provide a name, but for now it is just a maybe but kind of a strong maybe.

No worries. Hoping for some good news soon down the line then!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Desmond Hubert Clone.

If Des hadn't been injured and had redshirted a year, I think he would have gotten good. Not great, but good. Sort of in the Colonel Sanders mode.

Hard to tell with Manley. Des was quicker, but played with a deer-in-headlights look for his first couple of years. Manley is slower but not timid.

It's just so hard to know since he's coming off major injury. Is he anywhere close to 100%? How's his conditioning?

 

[Archer2]

There's always a possibility that we add another recruit. In the event we sign Knox, I think he would start from day one.

As for Manley being a Hubert clone, that remark speaks volumes about the poster's basketball knowledge.

 

[RoseHeel]

For those who haven't realized yet, the Hubert clone was yet another jab at those types of posts we see here far too often. I didn't want to continue addressing this as mike asked us to stop, but it seems to keep getting responses.

As for Archer insulting my Basketball Knowledge, I'm simply glad I no longer have to deal with his vapid posts and opinions any longer.

 

[Sk1310]

Lol

 

[alabamaheel]

Hes been nominated for the MCDs All American game. Somebody sees something in him.

 

[RoseHeel]

Nominated =/= Will Play. They cut the list multiple times before the final roster is set. I'd be much more impressed if he made the next cut. Here's the full, extensive list.