Mueller Indicts 13 Russian Nationals for Interfering in 2016 US Elections
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A federal grand jury has indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for allegedly meddling in the 2016 presidential election, charging them with conspiracy to defraud the United States, the Department of Justice announced Friday.
In addition, three defendants were charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants with aggravated identity theft.
"The defendants allegedly conducted what they called information warfare against the United States, with the stated goal of spreading distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general," Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said.
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A federal grand jury has indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for allegedly meddling in the 2016 presidential election, charging them with conspiracy to defraud the United States, the Department of Justice announced Friday.
In addition, three defendants were charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants with aggravated identity theft.
"The defendants allegedly conducted what they called information warfare against the United States, with the stated goal of spreading distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general," Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said.
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So does this mean the investigation is over? The article said no American knowingly participated.
Rod Rosenstein: "There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."
So, basically Mueller indicted 13 Ruskies for meddling in the election by creating fake social media accounts and pushing fake rallies in both sides of the political spectrum, hoping to put Trump in the WH and hurting Clinton.
But, these 13 Ruskies apparently failed miserably as Mueller said he couldn’t find anyone in the US who worked with them to help them achieve this goal and no evidence could be found that any of this changed the outcome of the election either. Plus, despite liberal cries of collusion, he couldn’t tie anything to anyone in the Trump campaign either.
So, aside from these 13 Ruskies failing to do what they were trying to accomplish, this is a big ‘ol nothing burger?
So, basically Mueller indicted 13 Ruskies for meddling in the election by creating fake social media accounts and pushing fake rallies in both sides of the political spectrum, hoping to put Trump in the WH and hurting Clinton.
But, these 13 Ruskies apparently failed miserably as Mueller said he couldn’t find anyone in the US who worked with them to help them achieve this goal and no evidence could be found that any of this changed the outcome of the election either. Plus, despite liberal cries of collusion, he couldn’t tie anything to anyone in the Trump campaign either.
So, aside from these 13 Ruskies failing to do what they were trying to accomplish, this is a big ‘ol nothing burger?
Just curious. I haven't been keeping up with the investigation. I didn't know how this would change it.
People waiting for the US Government to, basically, indict itself are better off waiting for the Rapture.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for people in very high places to be implicated, indicted, or anything else.
"The Russians also recruited and paid real Americans to engage in political activities, promote political campaigns, and stage political rallies."
"There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."
The DOJ indictment neither confirms nor denies your statements. It simply clarifies that the indictment includes no such charges. Your reading comprehension is clouded by your biases.
So all this investigating and still no charges against Trump? Is it time to hide the sharp objects from @BillyL ?
Would be nice if they had committed a few less resources to this witch hunt and used their time to stop that Cruz maniac from killing innocent kids.
Would be nice if they had committed a few less resources to this witch hunt and used their time to stop that Cruz maniac from killing innocent kids.
It's not the collusion that gets you, it's the obstruction . . tip of the iceberg here. You are damn fool if you, like Trump believe this is a 'witch hunt', today's indictments make that claim look pretty silly . . as for the FBI, they dropped the ball on a possible subject worth investigating.
So what law did they break? There are plenty of Americans that create fake profiles and spread misinformation. Is it because they were Russians?
It's illegal for foreign nationals to attempt to influence US elections. If he can link them to the Russian govt. it gets very serious for them.
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The indictment includes eight criminal counts. Count One alleges a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States, by all of the defendants. The defendants allegedly conspired to defraud the United States by impairing the lawful functions of the Federal Election Commission, the U.S. Department of Justice, and the U.S. Department of State in administering federal requirements for disclosure of foreign involvement in certain domestic activities.
Count Two charges conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud by Internet Research Agency and two individual defendants.
Counts Three through Eight charge aggravated identity theft by Internet Research Agency and four individuals.
I mean, if you're going to troll, at least put some effort into it. That's all I'm saying.
I've found the best thing to do with this kind of stuff is read the source document. That way you avoid media spin. The DOJ issued a press release that includes a link to the 37-page indictment. It's double-spaced and doesn't take that long to skim for anyone who's so inclined.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/gran...-and-three-russian-companies-scheme-interfere
Thanks. I honestly haven't been keeping up with all the Trump stuff outside of policy. There's way to much stupidity going on in his administration. If I tried to keep up with it all I'd never get anything done.
There's also a lot of unnecessary noise from breathless liberals about his administration as well. I decided a while back to just wait until something official came out. Otherwise I'd be exhausted from all the nonsense.
Here we go. Typical when prosecuting attorneys can find no evidence of wrong doing. Lets just go after process crimes that have nothing to do with original charges. Pure definition of a witch hunt.
It's the anticipation that drives me . . and today was a great day, it shows measurable progress. 45 is just way too chummy with the Russians for my liking.
I can be patient and let the Master work his investigation.
Does the ticky-tock bother you . . . like the inmate awaiting his execution . . ?
Who hasn't found evidence of wrong doing . . ? Today's indictments addresses the Russian's intent, it has nothing to do with possible collusion, conspiracy, obstruction and money laundering.
Be patient Loogie . . I know it's painful for you.
Not clouded at all. Just asking a simple question. All this hub bub over..., what, exactly? 13 Russians? Who didn’t affect the outcome of the election?
The indictment also said no Americans appeared to have known anything about anything nefarious. So not only were the Russians bad at what they were trying to do, they couldn’t even recruit people trustworthy enough to tell them what was going on.
Perhaps the FBI would’ve been better served to have gone after the murderous bastard down in Florida instead of 13 Russians who apparently sucked at influencing the elections.
Now, maybe Mueller has something else he isn’t letting out if the bag just yet, but my guess is no one on either side of the aisle will have much to worry about.
Your poast didn't ask questions, though. You made statements based on inaccurate interpretations of the DOJ statement. You're still doing it here. Again, the indictment didn't say the Russians didn't influence the outcome of the election. It simply said that was not one of the charges brought in the indictment ("There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.")
I'm not even sure what you're saying here. In what way were the Russians "bad at what they were trying to do?" And why would the Russians have told their American stooges that they were committing federal crimes against their own country? That doesn't make any sense, not to mention it would most likely lead the Americans to break ties with the Russian actors and undermine the Russians' efforts.
Sorry, but @Hark_The_Sound_2010 already beat you to making this incredibly stupid observation.
As has already been pointed out multiple times in this thread, the DOJ said the investigation is ongoing.
No pain for me . Just laughing daily at liberal obsession with a big nothing burger. Carry on. Oh, and money laundering? Let's count the Russian $ In the Clinton foundation why don't we????
Don't choke on that Nothing burger while you're laughing . . . but, do keep praying.
I'll remind you uninformed folks that watch Fox News that:
Trump begged for loyalty from Comey before firing him . . no one does that w/o a serious personal motive.
45 refuses to okay the Russian sanctions put forth by Congress.
45 doesn't wish for us to see his tax returns.
Then there's:
Papadopoulos
Flynn
Manafort
Gates
You want lettuce, tomato & onion on that burger . . mayo, ketchup, mustard and a pickle too . . ?
All this as we bomb Russian forces in Syria. We just killed 200 Russian "mercenaries " last week. Lol, at sanctions when you can bomb. I know you didn't see this on msnbc. The collusion crap is a liberal pipe dream. Hillary is more in collusion with Russia than Trump ever was.
Also, the indictments today held that Russian meddling started in 2014 . Long before Trump was running. Also Flynn will be exonerated soon. And you will be sad and I will continue to laugh, at you.
LOL . . the Russia-Trump Love affair began in November 2013 at the Miss Universe Pageant. 45 was an easy mark for Putin and his supporting oligarchs . .
How do you like your burger . . medium, medium well or well done.
Your poast didn't ask questions, though. You made statements based on inaccurate interpretations of the DOJ statement. You're still doing it here.
From my first post:
"So, aside from these 13 Ruskies failing to do what they were trying to accomplish, this is a big ‘ol nothing burger?"
OK, so technically not a question, but I figured that question mark at the end would be a dead giveaway.
Again, the indictment didn't say the Russians didn't influence the outcome of the election. It simply said that was not one of the charges brought in the indictment
MASH HERE
According to this article from CNBC (NOT very friendly to the GOP, Trump or anyone not liberal):
"Rosenstein said there is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the scheme — nor is there any allegation that the scheme affected the outcome of the election."
Since this dude is a deputy AG, I figure he probably did read it and was making a pretty informed statement, but since you are probably way more knowledgeable and "smart" than he is, perhaps he doesn't.
In what way were the Russians "bad at what they were trying to do?"
If the Russians were trying to influence the election and, according to Mueller's indictment, they failed to do so, I would say that they were, in fact, pretty bad at what they were trying to accomplish. Sounds like the election ended like they perhaps wanted, but that appears to be more blind luck than anything they did.
And why would the Russians have told their American stooges that they were committing federal crimes against their own country? That doesn't make any sense, not to mention it would most likely lead the Americans to break ties with the Russian actors and undermine the Russians' efforts.
Fair enough. I will give you that one, but you would think with guys like you and BillyL out there, they would find plenty of willing participants on the other side who would jump at the chance to help assure a Trump victory.
Sorry, but @Hark_The_Sound_2010 already beat you to making this incredibly stupid observation.
So, a multi-million dollar investigation into Russian "tampering" that, according the report, DID NOT influence the outcome, vs. a homicidal maniac openly pledging to shoot up a school who was dropped into your lap that you fail to even look into is a stupid observation? Well, I happen to think the 17 lost lives are a wee bit more important that some fantasy that somehow the election was "stolen" because the Ruskies messed with it.
As has already been pointed out multiple times in this thread, the DOJ said the investigation is ongoing.
Yeah, I kinda said that already. But, hey, thanks for the name calling and holier-than-thou attitude. It's always fun trying to discuss a political issue with liberals.
Oh, and if they won't bring charges against Bill, Hillary, Barack or anyone associated with any of them, I dare say they won't do it for Trump. Then again, he does threaten their hold on power and millions they have siphoned off the American people, so maybe they will break with tradition.
From my first post:
"So, aside from these 13 Ruskies failing to do what they were trying to accomplish, this is a big ‘ol nothing burger?"
OK, so technically not a question, but I figured that question mark at the end would be a dead giveaway.
Again, the indictment didn't say the Russians didn't influence the outcome of the election. It simply said that was not one of the charges brought in the indictment
MASH HERE
According to this article from CNBC (NOT very friendly to the GOP, Trump or anyone not liberal):
"Rosenstein said there is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the scheme — nor is there any allegation that the scheme affected the outcome of the election."
Since this dude is a deputy AG, I figure he probably did read it and was making a pretty informed statement, but since you are probably way more knowledgeable and "smart" than he is, perhaps he doesn't.
In what way were the Russians "bad at what they were trying to do?"
If the Russians were trying to influence the election and, according to Mueller's indictment, they failed to do so, I would say that they were, in fact, pretty bad at what they were trying to accomplish. Sounds like the election ended like they perhaps wanted, but that appears to be more blind luck than anything they did.
And why would the Russians have told their American stooges that they were committing federal crimes against their own country? That doesn't make any sense, not to mention it would most likely lead the Americans to break ties with the Russian actors and undermine the Russians' efforts.
Fair enough. I will give you that one, but you would think with guys like you and BillyL out there, they would find plenty of willing participants on the other side who would jump at the chance to help assure a Trump victory.
Sorry, but @Hark_The_Sound_2010 already beat you to making this incredibly stupid observation.
So, a multi-million dollar investigation into Russian "tampering" that, according the report, DID NOT influence the outcome, vs. a homicidal maniac openly pledging to shoot up a school who was dropped into your lap that you fail to even look into is a stupid observation? Well, I happen to think the 17 lost lives are a wee bit more important that some fantasy that somehow the election was "stolen" because the Ruskies messed with it.
As has already been pointed out multiple times in this thread, the DOJ said the investigation is ongoing.
Yeah, I kinda said that already. But, hey, thanks for the name calling and holier-than-thou attitude. It's always fun trying to discuss a political issue with liberals.
Oh, and if they won't bring charges against Bill, Hillary, Barack or anyone associated with any of them, I dare say they won't do it for Trump. Then again, he does threaten their hold on power and millions they have siphoned off the American people, so maybe they will break with tradition.
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