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NCAA Committee on Infractions tomorrow at noon will release its final report, including sanctions

If there are big sanctions, do the kids currently on the roster get a chance to transfer without having to sit out a year?

I wouldn't want to see them leave, but I also don't think they should have to pay a penalty if they decide to. I mean none of these kids is responsible for any of the issues the NCAA has been prosecuting.
 
If there is a scholarship reduction, what happens to the guys we already have commitments from?

Do we have to let them go if that pushes us over the ban limit?

If so, who determines who goes and who stays? Is it last-in-first-out?

Or would the scholarship reduction start with 2019 and leave the 2018 class intact? And who's choice is that - ours or the NCAA's?

There will be no scholarship reductions for men's BB
 
I think one year, just this year, is crap but somewhat bearable. It would be awful for Joel and Theo, but at least it would be over with quickly. Anything more than that, hell no. And we can probably win in court and avoid any ban.
 
I don't understand why banners and wins aren't more important to you all, but I guess we just feel differently here.
 
Why so much doom and gloom? The NCAA knows it has no jurisdiction in this case and have to know anything they try to levy down that even comes off as harsh is going to get challenged in court, which is the last thing they want with this FBI probe.
 
Due to scheduling circumstances, there will be no release tomorrow regarding the NCAA Committee on Infractions decision. We have not yet received the Committee’s public infractions report. We anticipate we will be informed 24 hours prior to the actual release at a later date.”
– Vice Chancellor of University Communications Joel Curran, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

Well this clearly indicates UNC has not received the decision, so how is it that everyone seems so sure what it will contain? I could understand UNC expecting to receive it yesterday and not getting it leaves us in limbo as to actually what it will contain but best I can tell this is no news more so than bad news. As I recall, the last time UNC met with the NCAA it was a rather upbeat deal as opposed to something that would be cause for this element of depression I sense from folks.

Now I have expected the NCAA to come out initially with a hammer,if for no other reason to see what UNC is willing to do, if we cave then great, game over and this is done, I hope we do not do that, don't think we will. They come with the hammer, we build a wall of going to court and then both sides see if they can settle out in the middle. IN that game of chicken, I really think, based on past court cases the NCAA has engaged in, we have the strong upper hand and I think the NCAA understands that as well, this latest NCAA scandal IMO would no nothing but strengthen our hand even more by clearly showing that UNC is not the rouge program we have been framed to be by the lazy media. The down side for us is this ordeal continues and of course we all want it to end, we would like for it to end with in a decade of its beginning but doing so is questionable considering we are in year 6 of this.
 
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I want it to end, but not to the point I am willing to sacrifice the legacy Roy has built here and not to the point it overly punishes kids who had absolutely nothing to do with the things that caused this mess to begin with.

A one year post season band would, IMHO, not fit in those parameters to the point of being unacceptable. It would suck for JB and Theo, but they have rings that no one will ever take away from them. Everyone else will get a shot next year, so that is not, IMHO, a deal breaker. Beyond that, I am less inclined to go along, especially since the ACADEMIC mess is not governed by the NCAA. I don't care who they are or if they play sports or not, kids in college will gravitate towards easy classes that will help boost their GPA, especially if they need it to be be boosted. MY kid (sophomore in college now) tanked his first semester of his freshman year and had to take a class or two he didn't want to take, but knew he had to have to help boost his GPA. He found a class last spring that was easy enough that he didn't have to spend a lot of time studying so he could concentrate more on his harder classes. They weren't "illegal" or even bogus, but they weren't quantum physics either.

Point is the NCAA has no business telling UNC what classes it can and cannot offer and the notion these were set up specifically to benefit athletes or that athletes were "steered" to them hasn't been proven. All the NCAA has is these classes were easy and could've been a joke. Well, la-dee-friggin' da! The college was cleared by all the agencies set up to monitor such things, so the NCAA can go pound sand.

Anyway, I still think the NCAA will drop the hammer on us, hoping we will settle. I think, depending on what it is, UNC will tell them we aren't settling and are taking it to court. In the end, IF it makes it to a court room, I think the NCAA is toast regarding our issue.
 
If the NCAA does try to give a post season ban for this season and we fight it (hopefully they would be smart enough to do that) would being in court allow us to play in the tournament or would we have to seek something similar to what Dallas did with Zeke so he could play this season?
 
I think one year, just this year, is crap but somewhat bearable. It would be awful for Joel and Theo, but at least it would be over with quickly. Anything more than that, hell no. And we can probably win in court and avoid any ban.
I could accept one year. Yes it would suck for Joel and Theo, but they did get a championship last year so I think that would help ease the pain.
 
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If the NCAA does try to give a post season ban for this season and we fight it (hopefully they would be smart enough to do that) would being in court allow us to play in the tournament or would we have to seek something similar to what Dallas did with Zeke so he could play this season?

I wonder this as well. I would figure it would, but I'm not sure.

Maybe we could have the ban delayed (if we were to get one), check out how the season plays out in the early going, and if looks like we have a so-so team that would get a #4 seed in the tournament or worse, and not have a realistic shot a championship - to drop the appeal and take the ban this year.
 
We went up for a two day hearing in August on the 16th and 17th...that process ended on day two at mid-day. My distinct impression was it ended earlier than expected due to evidence presented to the Committee by UNC. Also, as David mentioned, my feeling was due to those circumstances it went well, not necessarily favorable to UNC but well, enough so that the Report is hashed out in 50 days not 110.
 
Well this clearly indicates UNC has not received the decision, so how is it that everyone seems so sure what it will contain? I could understand UNC expecting to receive it yesterday and not getting it leaves us in limbo as to actually what it will contain but best I can tell this is no news more so than bad news. As I recall, the last time UNC met with the NCAA it was a rather upbeat deal as opposed to something that would be cause for this element of depression I sense from folks.

Now I have expected the NCAA to come out initially with a hammer,if for no other reason to see what UNC is willing to do, if we cave then great, game over and this is done, I hope we do not do that, don't think we will. They come with the hammer, we build a wall of going to court and then both sides see if they can settle out in the middle. IN that game of chicken, I really think, based on past court cases the NCAA has engaged in, we have the strong upper hand and I think the NCAA understands that as well, this latest NCAA scandal IMO would no nothing but strengthen our hand even more by clearly showing that UNC is not the rouge program we have been framed to be by the lazy media. The down side for us is this ordeal continues and of course we all want it to end, we would like for it to end with in a decade of its beginning but doing so is questionable considering we are in year 6 of this.

Glad to see a voice of reason in this thread. All this optimism and pessimism, yet apparently there's nothing even there.

It sounds like no list of infractions were even given to UNC and that this was a fake news (hate this term) story. And considering Andrew Carter and others have since backtracked from the report, that looks to be the case.

What am I missing???
 
^ I'd be shocked if UNC doesn't have a general impression of what the penalties are going to look like. There has likely been backchannel communication ongoing since the hearing and while UNC may not have seen the report, they probably have a good feel by now for what it will say.
 
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I don't see how they couldn't at least have some idea.. supposedly the school is notified 24 hrs ahead of time.. my question would be why would unc feel the need to even put out a notice of "schedule" conflicts if the coi hadn't already at least been issued? So it's not really "fake news" at all seeing as unc is admitting that the NCAA was issuing the document.
 
I don't see how they couldn't at least have some idea.. supposedly the school is notified 24 hrs ahead of time.. my question would be why would unc feel the need to even put out a notice of "schedule" conflicts if the coi hadn't already at least been issued? So it's not really "fake news" at all seeing as unc is admitting that the NCAA was issuing the document.

Well, the way I read the statement it seems that the scheduling conflict is from the NCAAs side, not ours. The NCAA has to give it to us and have at least a 24hr buffer before they announce what it contains, it clearly says UNC has not yet received anything.

Why in the world would the NCAA give us advance heads up on what they have decided when they seemed as if they were going to give us the official this is what we see yesterday and announce it publicly sometime today? That to me is akin to telling you what is in the email I am writing to you right now, just send the freakin email and trust folks can read, if any questions pop up then ask for clarification. So our having advanced warning of what they have decided does not seem to jive and the UNC official clearly states we do not have anything from the NCAA yet. I can understand the NCAA telling UNC we expect to be able to get you this on Thursday and maybe someone key in answering any questions UNC may have is not yet available so they elect to wait until that person is available.
 
I hope UNC does not accept one single mention of Men's bball and Football! I hope they will not fight an equitable punishment for Women's bball and Soccer since they actually willfully broke rules.

And I fully expect this to go to court since the NCAA hasn't shown anything resembling equitable behavior in 25 years! (The FBI probe may help sway this toward fairness though)
 
That with the understanding that the NCAA has overstepped in trying to tie academics into our case. They have no jurisdiction in the matter with the exception being any athletic violations, which are troubling to WBB. Looking at the case now LOIC is all they have and it is a stretch. The curriculum was open to all students. Who cares how many of any part of the student body took the courses.
 
Glad to see a voice of reason in this thread. All this optimism and pessimism, yet apparently there's nothing even there.

It sounds like no list of infractions were even given to UNC and that this was a fake news (hate this term) story. And considering Andrew Carter and others have since backtracked from the report, that looks to be the case.

What am I missing???

Unc was notified by ncaa the release was coming per the 24 hrs heads up they promise. The info leaks and goes viral. BUT Unc says tks but no tks, please wait cause tomorrow (fri) is very busy for us, ncaa said okay. I mean really what diff does it make to them? The people on our side as well as theirs have been talking for 7 yrs or so now. I’m sure theres some level of professional courtesy built up during the correspondence despite the circumstances. These are intelligent educated people who didnt get their positions by being total dicks despite what we might like to think. Case in point the hearing a couple months back where by all accounts the exchanges were friendly and civil. Anyway The 24 hr notice was misreported and misunderstood by many including me. They dont have to give us the actual release and the info 24 hrs ahead of time, they just give us 24 hr notice that the release is imminent. in the past schools have always received the info prior to the ncaa going public, sometimes 24hrs prior, sometimes a few hrs prior, but its been purely as a matter of courtesy on the ncaa’s part.
 
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I don't see the ncaa letting us off easy .. too much media hype over last few yrs they have to save there butts since they have made a mountain out of a mole hole .. I say they hammer us to look good ! we take them to court and hopefully dissolve the ncaa
 
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I wonder this as well. I would figure it would, but I'm not sure.

Maybe we could have the ban delayed (if we were to get one), check out how the season plays out in the early going, and if looks like we have a so-so team that would get a #4 seed in the tournament or worse, and not have a realistic shot a championship - to drop the appeal and take the ban this year.

I don't understand this wave the white flag mentality, if it's me, I ain't giving in to jack sh##. Plenty of 4 seeds have gone to the FF, even though I think a 4 seed is a bit low for us. They've got nothing, they're trying to save face, why the hell would we accept anything?
 
I don't understand this wave the white flag mentality, if it's me, I ain't giving in to jack sh##. Plenty of 4 seeds have gone to the FF, even though I think a 4 seed is a bit low for us. They've got nothing, they're trying to save face, why the hell would we accept anything?
It's called being practical, not waving a white flag.
 
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my "feeling" based on nothing..perhaps..NCAA decided to circle back to first punishment- on WBB/Soccer..add more severe punishment(to save face)..and prolly mention the coaches of football/MBB should have known- issue an administrative type penalty... limit recruiting visits/vacate wins(again public shame)-banners and titles unaffected
 
my "feeling" based on nothing..perhaps..NCAA decided to circle back to first punishment- on WBB/Soccer..add more severe punishment(to save face)..and prolly mention the coaches of football/MBB should have known- issue an administrative type penalty... limit recruiting visits/vacate wins(again public shame)-banners and titles unaffected
I am thinking women's basketball is gonna be the sacrificial lamb although I don't think there is a good way to end this. I love all sports teams but it seems women's b-ball was caught red handed I don't think the University can protect them or women's soccer. They can't hit the football team again because it was already served it's punishment for you know the impermissible benefit of sleeping on a friend's couch
 
Spoke with a person last night and we discussed our impressions.
In his professional capacity he is in contact regularly with UNC Athletics, coaches or staff.
His impression, from 3 conversations, is that the NCAA wants to avoid being embarrassed. They are in a tough spot. Further, he said that at least a couple of our folks have said they think it may go well for us as to the Report. He seemed to think not all 5 level charges will stick. WBB will more than likely have some penalty. Overall he said "our folks" attitude is that we may not suffer near as much as some are "rumoring"
 
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I am thinking women's basketball is gonna be the sacrificial lamb although I don't think there is a good way to end this. I love all sports teams but it seems women's b-ball was caught red handed I don't think the University can protect them or women's soccer. They can't hit the football team again because it was already served it's punishment for you know the impermissible benefit of sleeping on a friend's couch

From all I can tell it seems the woman's team may have stepped over the line, a line that I have not seen any evidence the men's coaches did. It to me is not about being a sacrificial lamb as much as it is what ya did or in the case of men's bball, what we didn't do.
 
Spoke with a person last night and we discussed our impressions.
In his professional capacity he is in contact regularly with UNC Athletics, coaches or staff.
His impression, from 3 conversations, is that the NCAA wants to avoid being embarrassed. They are in a tough spot. Further, he said that at least a couple of our folks have said they think it may go well for us as to the Report. He seemed to think not all 5 level charges will stick. WBB will more than likely have some penalty. Overall he said "our folks" attitude is that we may not suffer near as much as some are "rumoring"

Tom, that IMO makes a lot of sense because the NCAA has to understand its record when they have gone to court has just not been good. With all this going on for the last couple weeks, it only stands to reason that the last thing the NCAA needs right now is to go to court and lose big, you really have to pick your battles and this one just is not a smart one for them. As for us, really, if they come out to hammer us we have nothing to lose by taking this to court.

Lets say this goes to court, I am not an attorney but it seems to me the NCAA would have 3 major bars to jump over and all of them seem to have huge obstacles.

1) Is this an athletic violation or an academic issue, the later not being within the NCAAs scope of authority per its guidelines. In order for this to be deemed an athletic violation of NCAA rules coaches or the ADs department itself would have to have interceded in placing athletes in specific classes and influencing the grades athletes received in those classes.

Lets say a woman's ball staff member sends email to Deb Crowder and says she needs a specific player to get a specific grade in order to remain eligible to play, that would be a problem for the women. But the assumption can not be made that it included men's basketball or football. It could be a institutional question but if every violation is not institutional or systemic.

There would have to be some email, some piece of paper, some voice recording more than he said she said. You could compel testimony under oath if someone's testimony is about an occurrence within the statute of limitations. Suppose they wanted to bring Rashad in was anything he could testify to within the statute of limitations time frame, which I think is 10yrs, don't think he could be a useful witness (using this purely as example). This with all we have seen fits as a academic issue and that has been handled by the authoritative body.

Are there easy grade classes at pretty much every college that athletes and non-athletes alike take advantage of? Knowing full well the judge was highly educated and fully realizes there are easy grade classes everywhere.

2) If it is deemed to be an issue within the NCAAs scope of authority, then is the proposed punishment fair and just as compared to similar punishments in the past. That opens up a brand new can of worms tat the NCAA does not really want to crack. But for example, why are major programs all over the country allowed to get grade credit for practicing for their sport and non-athletes not allowed and that not called a "special benefit" allowed athletes? Why is this so common place and receives zero punishment and yet you want to hammer UNC for classes that included as many non-athletes as athletes, that does not seem equitable. Just one of hundreds of potential examples that can be used.

3) Finally, by the delay in this issue, UNC has already paid a very steep price on many fronts. If found guilty of these violations to what extent does the price UNC has paid for 6yrs of public ridicule mitigate the proposed punishment? And if not found guilty how does the NCAA make UNC whole again via restitution on a monetary basic, meaning how many millions does the NCAA pay us!
 
Little eliminated Miami and Arizona and committed to North Carolina. He said that he’d stick with his decision to attend Carolina no matter what punishment the NCAA levies in their investigation into the academic fraud case that’s shrouded the university and athletic department.

Little said UNC coach Roy Williams has insinuated to him that the Tar Heels won’t receive a significant punishment from the NCAA. He said that Williams has not told him of the specific punishment, but told him generally: “It’s not necessarily an athletic thing,” he said Williams told him. “It wasn’t just the basketball team involved in it. They’re not going to be penalized as people suggest.”
 
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