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New notice of allegations coming?(Keep it all in here folks)

He's clueless.

Wait now, you allege that there was no course and then suggest shady because Crowder graded some of the work? Kinda crazy to say no course existed and yet work was required else grading said work would not have been required? Your theory implodes on itself right there.

OK, so you admit there was a class, is it your belief that all classes must meet weekly on some type of preset schedule? Can you point to any NCAA bylaw, any NCAA rule or regulation that mandates how often classes must meet in front of a professor? Did you not know that there are many types of classes that pretty much every D-1 school utilizes and many of the UN-CONVENTIONAL find a LOT of athletes involved because they allow scholarship athletes to meet the demands of their sport as well as the requirements of eligibility? Did you know that? LOL

Example, there are independant study classes, directed reading classes, online classes that UNC has used, that are used by Ky athletes, duke athletes, all D-1 programs. Can ya guess what every single one of those types of classes have in common, they do not meet in a class room on a regular schedule in front of a professor. Did ya know that a class can be originally set as one type of class and find it change to a more un-conventional class later, did ya know that, did ya know that can happen at Kentucky as well?

You tried to throw some shade on the department appointing Crowder, and AA in that department, to grade the work? Do you believe that ONLY professors or dept heads are the only ones that grade work turned in for a class? Do you really think that is how it works at Ky or any other major college? College profs rarely grade course work, they delegate that to their staff, like Ms Crowder. You do realize that college proffers don't not go about their job like a middle school teacher does, you do realize that right?

"There is no mention of athletic department collusion in the article which s specifically mentioned in the 3rd NOA." and yet the original ANOA mentioned no "collusion", have not fully read the new ANOA but is ther word collusion used there? Even if it were, it was only added when the statements of why the original ANOA did not use such language was disallowed by your SEC commish on PROCEDURAL grounds? Wonder why your SEC commish didn't want the inclusion of the reasoning the committee didn't feel they could use language in any way referring to collusion? Without the reasoning being shared with the committee, there was no explaination of why the original wording was as it was?

But you go right ahead making your baseless allegations while beginning your statement with the "I come in peace" BC, beter know what ya talking about next time!
 
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Academic fraud is not legal, but it is an accreditting agency jurisdiction. Not a NCAA Athletics.

This is just like the Penn st issue, everyone out side of Happy Valley wanted Penn st hammered so the NCAA jumped outside of their authority. It went to court and the court slapped the NCAA around the court room until they staggered out and reversed their ruling.
 
i am very much looking forward to litigation where evidence will be subpoenaed, witnesses will be cross-examined, and the corruption and hidden agenda of the ncaa will be revealed at last! GO HEELS!!!!
 
i am very much looking forward to litigation where evidence will be subpoenaed, witnesses will be cross-examined, and the corruption and hidden agenda of the ncaa will be revealed at last! GO HEELS!!!!

Oh really, youd like to see Rashad Mccants on the stand, or crowder, etc? Im not sure I agree that I want to see that at all. things could get extremely messy. Unfortunately, its getting close to being UNCs only recourse.
 
Talking about if it went to court.
Oh really, youd like to see Rashad Mccants on the stand, or crowder, etc? Im not sure I agree that I want to see that at all. things could get extremely messy. Unfortunately, its getting close to being UNCs only recourse.

Crowder doesn't scare me a bit.

I'd love to see McCants on the stand. I'd also like to see the SEC Commish on the stand as well as the folks named in the email UNC discovered that proved collusion among the NCAA to stifle evidence but UNC was not allowed to use in it's own defense at the "Procedural Hearing".

This is a witch hunt. If you have read the evidence and are not stupid or a rival fan then it's obvious.

UNC has been accused of ish that never occurred. Yea, I'd love to see it in court.
 
Crowder doesn't scare me a bit.

I'd love to see McCants on the stand. I'd also like to see the SEC Commish on the stand as well as the folks named in the email UNC discovered that proved collusion among the NCAA to stifle evidence but UNC was not allowed to use in it's own defense at the "Procedural Hearing".

This is a witch hunt. If you have read the evidence and are not stupid or a rival fan then it's obvious.

UNC has been accused of ish that never occurred. Yea, I'd love to see it in court.

Well all I can say is I sure hope you are right. In the meantime we will continue to get our asses handed to us on the recruiting trail.
 
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My only real concern about this latest BS from the NCAA is the effect on Roy. No one could blame him if he rolled out earlier than planned, especially if we were to win it all this year. I expect that he'll stay and fight the fight and if he does we as fans will owe him as much as anyone ever associated with the program.
 
I would be thrilled to find out that this is going to court! Is there enough there to bankrupt that self-indulgent, biased institution?
 
All the tough guys here saying "grrrrr lets take em to court" blah blah blah..we will see how much you like it when 1-3 years from now we cant land a kid in the top 50.

also look how long its taken just to get to the point we are at now. Can you imagine how long a court case would take? Roy was close to right when he said "now I Just hope its over before I die"

Please tell me how the football program has improved its recruiting over the past few years.
 
Please tell me how the football program has improved its recruiting over the past few years.

I have no clue. But I also know theres no OAD in football, amongst a whole bunch of other differences in recruiting. Its like apples to oranges.

Im also not under the delusion that the Ncaa stuff is the only reason Roy isnt doing well. But it is playing a role.
 
Please tell me how the football program has improved its recruiting over the past few years.
JMO, but I believe Roy is missing a dynamic recruiter on staff that relates to these kids. We know Roy doesn't use technology and makes jokes about it but he needs a Kenny Payne or Jeff Capel that is hip and In touch with these kids. From what I see, there is little to no activity from our staff on twitter, instagram, etc. Somebody like a stackhouse, Wallace or a more recent player would do wonders for recruiting.
 
JMO, but I believe Roy is missing a dynamic recruiter on staff that relates to these kids. We know Roy doesn't use technology and makes jokes about it but he needs a Kenny Payne or Jeff Capel that is hip and In touch with these kids. From what I see, there is little to no activity from our staff on twitter, instagram, etc. Somebody like a stackhouse, Wallace or a more recent player would do wonders for recruiting.

Agreed
 
My only real concern about this latest BS from the NCAA is the effect on Roy. No one could blame him if he rolled out earlier than planned, especially if we were to win it all this year. I expect that he'll stay and fight the fight and if he does we as fans will owe him as much as anyone ever associated with the program.

I think Roy feels like he'd be letting Dean down if he jumped ship too soon. I think he feels obligated to see this through, just my 2 cents.
 
Crowder doesn't scare me a bit.

I'd love to see McCants on the stand. I'd also like to see the SEC Commish on the stand as well as the folks named in the email UNC discovered that proved collusion among the NCAA to stifle evidence but UNC was not allowed to use in it's own defense at the "Procedural Hearing".

This is a witch hunt. If you have read the evidence and are not stupid or a rival fan then it's obvious.

UNC has been accused of ish that never occurred. Yea, I'd love to see it in court.
well said!
 
JMO, but I believe Roy is missing a dynamic recruiter on staff that relates to these kids. We know Roy doesn't use technology and makes jokes about it but he needs a Kenny Payne or Jeff Capel that is hip and In touch with these kids. From what I see, there is little to no activity from our staff on twitter, instagram, etc. Somebody like a stackhouse, Wallace or a more recent player would do wonders for recruiting.

Having someone that can relate to recruits (i.e. Capel, Payne, etc.) is considered blasphemy around here. We're doing just fine right now.
 
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JMO, but I believe Roy is missing a dynamic recruiter on staff that relates to these kids. We know Roy doesn't use technology and makes jokes about it but he needs a Kenny Payne or Jeff Capel that is hip and In touch with these kids. From what I see, there is little to no activity from our staff on twitter, instagram, etc. Somebody like a stackhouse, Wallace or a more recent player would do wonders for recruiting.
Sean May doesn't tweet?
 
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JMO, but I believe Roy is missing a dynamic recruiter on staff that relates to these kids. We know Roy doesn't use technology and makes jokes about it but he needs a Kenny Payne or Jeff Capel that is hip and In touch with these kids. From what I see, there is little to no activity from our staff on twitter, instagram, etc. Somebody like a stackhouse, Wallace or a more recent player would do wonders for recruiting.
Good point. It would allow Roy to remain himself whilst the program relates a little more.
 
Having someone that can relate to recruits (i.e. Capel, Payne, etc.) is considered blasphemy around here. We're doing just fine right now.
Sorry, gotta call that out as over exaggeration. Relating to recruits is a lot different to pandering to their handlers. Fine line I know, but it's one many on here would rather Roy doesn't cross.
 
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Is there a member of the basketball team that was on our team when this whole NCAA mess began, how about the football team? When did this all begin guys in July of 2010 they began looking at some of the guys on the football team, Marvin Austin et al, in August of 2010 the NCAA began to look n to our academic issues with AFAM. Yep, almost 6 and a half years ago was when this all began and the saga continues.

Last I checked other than some sanctions on football for those other issues that brought the NCAA to our door step initially, there have been no scholarship reductions for any of our sports for the AFAM issue, been no banners taken down, been no games stripped from us, been no post season bans. Our served punishment has been more of taking it on the chin in recruiting and damage to the image of the university.

And yet we are still playing football are we not, playing a bowl game friday matter of fact. We are still playing basketball are we not, been to the NCAAT I think every season since this mess began, didn't we play in the NCAA title game last season?

Oh we have been treated every summer to those folks screaming how things will fall apart and UNC sports as we know it will be destroyed and while ost of those screams early on came from rival programs that hate UNC, more and more over the years we have begun to hear professed UNC fans joining in the choir of wuffies, dukies, and Ky kitty Kats? And from at least my perspective it is hard to hear these things come from fans that hate UNC, it is double hard to hear it from our own. It is as if with each passing off season the talk gets more and more gloomy, the screams of how the sky is falling get louder and louder to the extent it has divided this once proud and unbowing fan base almost in to a caricature of itself.

It has got to the point that far to many of our own fans seem all to willing just to stand back and take what ever punishment the NCAA decides they want to throw at us, already knowing it will be as severe as imaginal if it is not stood up to. And worst of all, they know we don't deserve that, they don't seem to care, just shut up and take it up the arse and one day this nightmare will end? I am sorry, I just do not understand that way of thinking, not being willing to stand up to something that is wrong, at some point you have to stand for something, even when it is hard, even when it has been hard for a long time. UNC didn't pick this fight, truth is the NCAA didn't either, the media seemed to pick this fight and now want to stand back and enjoy what they started. Maybe the only way to fight both the NCAA as well as the media is for this to go to court, it has already been prosecuted in the court of public opinion thanks to the media, but maybe it is now time for the real courts to step in and put and end to all of this weighting only the truth and not the un-founded accusations propagated by the media and force fed to fans across the country. So bring it on NCAA, bring it on Dan Kane and your N&O filth, the fans may not all like it but this game of chicken the NCAA seems compelled to play at this point has no down side for us, if we lose we get handed what so many fans seem willing to take and if we win it is over. No down side, nothing to lose, everything to gain, see ya in court!
 
Is there a member of the basketball team that was on our team when this whole NCAA mess began, how about the football team? When did this all begin guys in July of 2010 they began looking at some of the guys on the football team, Marvin Austin et al, in August of 2010 the NCAA began to look n to our academic issues with AFAM. Yep, almost 6 and a half years ago was when this all began and the saga continues.

Last I checked other than some sanctions on football for those other issues that brought the NCAA to our door step initially, there have been no scholarship reductions for any of our sports for the AFAM issue, been no banners taken down, been no games stripped from us, been no post season bans. Our served punishment has been more of taking it on the chin in recruiting and damage to the image of the university.

And yet we are still playing football are we not, playing a bowl game friday matter of fact. We are still playing basketball are we not, been to the NCAAT I think every season since this mess began, didn't we play in the NCAA title game last season?

Oh we have been treated every summer to those folks screaming how things will fall apart and UNC sports as we know it will be destroyed and while ost of those screams early on came from rival programs that hate UNC, more and more over the years we have begun to hear professed UNC fans joining in the choir of wuffies, dukies, and Ky kitty Kats? And from at least my perspective it is hard to hear these things come from fans that hate UNC, it is double hard to hear it from our own. It is as if with each passing off season the talk gets more and more gloomy, the screams of how the sky is falling get louder and louder to the extent it has divided this once proud and unbowing fan base almost in to a caricature of itself.

It has got to the point that far to many of our own fans seem all to willing just to stand back and take what ever punishment the NCAA decides they want to throw at us, already knowing it will be as severe as imaginal if it is not stood up to. And worst of all, they know we don't deserve that, they don't seem to care, just shut up and take it up the arse and one day this nightmare will end? I am sorry, I just do not understand that way of thinking, not being willing to stand up to something that is wrong, at some point you have to stand for something, even when it is hard, even when it has been hard for a long time. UNC didn't pick this fight, truth is the NCAA didn't either, the media seemed to pick this fight and now want to stand back and enjoy what they started. Maybe the only way to fight both the NCAA as well as the media is for this to go to court, it has already been prosecuted in the court of public opinion thanks to the media, but maybe it is now time for the real courts to step in and put and end to all of this weighting only the truth and not the un-founded accusations propagated by the media and force fed to fans across the country. So bring it on NCAA, bring it on Dan Kane and your N&O filth, the fans may not all like it but this game of chicken the NCAA seems compelled to play at this point has no down side for us, if we lose we get handed what so many fans seem willing to take and if we win it is over. No down side, nothing to lose, everything to gain, see ya in court!
if they gave a best poast of the year award i would nominate this one. i don't think unc made a blunder by cooperating, and the fact that we did will serve us well in court. but the time for cooperating with the ncaa is over. as the Bible says, there's a time for peace and a time for war and for carolina/ncaa it's time to fight!
 
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if they gave a best poast of the year award i would nominate this one. i don't think unc made a blunder by cooperating, and the fact that we did will serve us well in court. but the time for cooperating with the ncaa is over. as the Bible says, there's a time for peace and a time for war and for carolina/ncaa it's time to fight!

Jimmy, one thing I have learned in a business that deals with law enforcement or any enforcement entity is when they are at the step of investigating you they are not looking to prove your innocence, they are looking to prove your guilt. Now truth is, it is not about what ya did or didn't do but what they feel they may be able to hang you with. Why would you willingly help an entity that is looking to hang you?

Frankly, speaking in real truth here, UNC did as much to propagate this as the NCAA did, in their arrogant belief that they were beyond reproach a soft spot was found in the AFAM studies program that I frankly believe they had turned their heads to not wanting to know. Not because it helped athletes remain eligible but maybe more due to sensitivities of a program of its title and nature. Athletes found this program and realized it was a easy grade class, not because of athletic dept involvement but just because it got known as an easy grade class, all schools have those and their athletes do the same thing, they find them and they use them to remain eligible. But it isn't just athletes that realize I need a easy class to pump my GPA a little, that is just want you do in college, get that easy class to take some of the pressure off the harder ones, been there and done that.

Athletes, especially like the non-traditional classes that do not meet in the standard classroom setting because it allows them the freedom in their schedule to play away games and really, just balance an already hard schedule of doing what it takes to be a D-1 athlete.

I think what really pisses me off here is the Dan Kanes of the world, the media that has covered this. There is actually a story to be told, it is a mega story, it deserves to be told, but it isn't the small ball story Dan Kane and the rest have been willing to tell. The real story begging to be told is that if even at UNC this was discovered, just imagine how much worse this is across the entire NCAA membership? Rival fans don't like to hear it but UNC is about as clean as it gets folks, the NCAA does not want programs like Ky or kansas getting a similar anal probing as UNC because the NCAA does NOT want this story told because the head line would read EVERY NCAA PROGRAM DIRTY! The NCAA implodes at such a headline, so it wants to isolate this as just a UNC story and the Dan Kane's of the world are lazy and prefer to play easy small ball when there is a much larger game.

And my thing is, ya gonna prostrate us, OK, then we may have to force your hand to investigate your entire membership and when that happens, good bye NCAA because you have failed to carry out your charter, say goodbye to the millions that you rake in every year, say goodbye to it all. Trust me that the NCAA wants no part of that and sanity will win out at the end of the day. Just, UNC can not blink, must we willing to take this to court, don't shy from it but embrace it cause they have a lot more to lose than UNC does and they know it. If this is a gamer of chicken as it looks to be, they will blink first they have no other choice but to blink or be embarrassed in court as they were when they tried this same BS on Penn St.
 
The NCAA has absolutely no jurisdiction in this matter and UNC will fight them in court if the NCAA continues down this course. I have also been told UNC may sue for damages to recoup legal fees in a fight the NCAA had no business waging.
 
Can't get twitter at work. What does it say?

Just some snippets

If anyone has any doubts that @UNC is prepared to fight the NCAA's latest overreach, the 7th name on NCAA letter says it all-Scott Lassar

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Lassar works at Sidley Austin, one of the country's best litigation firms.

If @GregSankey & COI don't use proper bylaws in Indy, UNC's powerhouse legal team will insist on applying real laws in a real court.

Carter Phillips, chair of Sidley Austin exec committee, has argued 84 cases before SCOTUS? He's on UNC side against NCAA.
 
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Just some snippets

If anyone has any doubts that @UNC is prepared to fight the NCAA's latest overreach, the 7th name on NCAA letter says it all-Scott Lassar

C013qXlXcAEiuI8.jpg

Lassar works at Sidley Austin, one of the country's best litigation firms.

If @GregSankey & COI don't use proper bylaws in Indy, UNC's powerhouse legal team will insist on applying real laws in a real court.

Carter Phillips, chair of Sidley Austin exec committee, has argued 84 cases before SCOTUS? He's on UNC side against NCAA.
Thanks.
 
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