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Why? He is another old man just desperate to get another shot, and he knows no NFL owner wants him. So he sees the damned fools who hired over the hill Mack and thinks that's perfect for him. And he also wants to get his son brought on as HC in Waiting.

Finebaum is having great fun with this, knowing that not even Vandy or Miss St would be so stupid. Remember, he has 0 CFB exprience, and the NFL is far different. The Owner and GM make all important decisions. How is a 72 year old with CFB experience going to learn all that before time runs out on him?

This, if on the surface, is just retarded. Hopefully it is a big smokescreen to divert attention away from whichever of Sumrall, Schumann, or Campbell we are about to sign on Sunday.
why? What exactly in my post are you asking why about? You read the whole post? Doesn't seem so.
 
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Why? He is another old man just desperate to get another shot, and he knows no NFL owner wants him. So he sees the damned fools who hired over the hill Mack and thinks that's perfect for him. And he also wants to get his son brought on as HC in Waiting.

Finebaum is having great fun with this, knowing that not even Vandy or Miss St would be so stupid. Remember, he has 0 CFB exprience, and the NFL is far different. The Owner and GM make all important decisions. How is a 72 year old with CFB experience going to learn all that before time runs out on him?

This, if on the surface, is just retarded. Hopefully it is a big smokescreen to divert attention away from whichever of Sumrall, Schumann, or Campbell we are about to sign on Sunday.
You may want to consider the Fan Transfer Portal, tomorrow is going to be a tough day for you apparently.
 
I think Sumrall has shot himself in the foot with the eggs he has laid the last two weekends. I’d figure that Monken from Army is now a more serious candidate. And though not a flashy hire, he is an excellent coach. May be the DC from UGA would work out, but I don’t care to hire assistants. And we all know at UGA that no matter the title, that Kirby runs that defense. Campbell would be great, but he seems to turn down opportunities every year to stay at Iowa State. A hard no on Bill. Trading one old coach for another isn’t a good idea, and he is just wanting to do it so he can cut a deal to have his son sitting there as coach in waiting.
 
Fwiw gameday reporting belichick has done a “deep dive” on unc and is interested. They also say no offer has been made or is imminent. As a side note I will point out their panel and guests of ex college coaches and players are all in agreement it would be a great hire. So once again….lots of ridicule and criticism in here and on the internet about hiring him but with one exception (cam Newton) all the pundits I’ve seen and heard on radio and tv who I would consider to be “in the know” have all had good things to say about hiring him. Cowherd is very critical of it but I wouldn’t consider him knowledgeable.
 
I think Sumrall has shot himself in the foot with the eggs he has laid the last two weekends. I’d figure that Monken from Army is now a more serious candidate. And though not a flashy hire, he is an excellent coach. May be the DC from UGA would work out, but I don’t care to hire assistants. And we all know at UGA that no matter the title, that Kirby runs that defense. Campbell would be great, but he seems to turn down opportunities every year to stay at Iowa State. A hard no on Bill. Trading one old coach for another isn’t a good idea, and he is just wanting to do it so he can cut a deal to have his son sitting there as coach in waiting.
Saw part of their game last night (Tulane) and thought maybe he was preoccupied with packing to move was the reason they got blasted. Either that or monkey whipped his arse.
 
Trying to wrap my head around this possible Belichick idea just the age factor is my holdup. Seems we will be here again in a few years and maybe that’s what we need. At that point there may be other younger coaches available to continue what hopefully could be built.
 
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Trying to wrap my head around this possible Belichick idea just the age factor is my holdup. Seems we will be here again in a few years and maybe that’s what we need. At that point there may be other younger coaches available to continue what hopefully could be built.
No difference if we hire a young coach who is successful, he will leave for a better job in several years. Same end result either way.
 
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No difference if we hire a young coach who is successful, he will leave for a better job in several years. Same end result either way.
No. Replacing yet another guy who was too old to be hired is not the same as replacing a young HC who actually built up the program and thus would be leaving it in very sound shape.
 
No. Replacing yet another guy who was too old to be hired is not the same as replacing a young HC who actually built up the program and thus would be leaving it in very sound shape.
Maybe, maybe not.

You telling me you don’t want one of the top 3 greatest FB coaches of all-time to try to turn the program that you love in a better direction?

Worst case: a few more years of mediocrity and we do this all over again. Best case: use your imagination, could literally be anything better than what we’ve had the last 25 years.
 
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I think Sumrall has shot himself in the foot with the eggs he has laid the last two weekends. I’d figure that Monken from Army is now a more serious candidate. And though not a flashy hire, he is an excellent coach. May be the DC from UGA would work out, but I don’t care to hire assistants. And we all know at UGA that no matter the title, that Kirby runs that defense. Campbell would be great, but he seems to turn down opportunities every year to stay at Iowa State. A hard no on Bill. Trading one old coach for another isn’t a good idea, and he is just wanting to do it so he can cut a deal to have his son sitting there as coach in waiting.
Bill Dooley was coordinator at UGA when he came to UNC.
 
Maybe, maybe not.

You telling me you don’t want one of the top 3 greatest FB coaches of all-time to try to turn the program that you love in a better direction?

Worst case: a few more years of mediocrity and we do this all over again. Best case: use your imagination, could literally be anything better than what we’ve had the last 25 years.
That sounds like the same nonsense of 'you should want Mack back because he has won a National Champion ship and recruits better than anybody.'

The odds would be even greater against Belichick winning the ACC than the odds against Mack when he was rehired. Belichick is already 72. He has no CFB experience. He has 0 experience building a college staff or recruiting for a college team.

Here is a given: because Belichick has won so big in the NFL, if NFL owners and GMs felt that he still had the right stuff, he already would be rehired as an NFL HC. They know better than any collier AD, much less set of college fans and sports journalists, how good Belichick is right now. Hiring him for what he did 20 and 10 years ago is lazy taken to extreme of stupidity based on faith that what a man could do when 50 he can do as well at 72 and older.

Is there any NFL GM or owner known to have even part interest in hiring Belichick as HC? If not, then it would be beyond foolish to hire him for CFB.

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That sounds like the same nonsense of 'you should want Mack back because he has won a National Champion ship and recruits better than anybody.'

The odds would be even greater against Belichick winning the ACC than the odds against Mack when he was rehired. Belichick is already 72. He has no CFB experience. He has 0 experience building a college staff or recruiting for a college team.

Here is a given: because Belichick has won so big in the NFL, if NFL owners and GMs felt that he still had the right stuff, he already would be rehired as an NFL HC. They know better than any collier AD, much less set of college fans and sports journalists, how good Belichick is right now. Hiring him for what he did 20 and 10 years ago is lazy taken to extreme of stupidity based on faith that what a man could do when 50 he can do as well at 72 and older.

Is there any NFL GM or owner known to have even part interest in hiring Belichick as HC? If not, then it would be beyond foolish to hire him for CFB.

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I am not a Belichick fan but at the very least our guys would be disciplined & tackle better (or be held accountable), & he commands respect & results. I surely don’t think we’d be worse than .500 with him & there’s no guarantee somebody else would have us in the conversation for an ACC Championship.
 
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I am not a Belichick fan but at the very least our guys would be disciplined & tackle better (or be held accountable), & he commands respect & results. I surely don’t think we’d be worse than .500 with him & there’s no guarantee somebody else would have us in the conversation for an ACC Championship.
Not sure about BB but our teams couldn’t be less fundamentally sound than they currently are. Frankly, just about any decent coach would be an upgrade.
 
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I am not a Belichick fan but at the very least our guys would be disciplined & tackle better (or be held accountable), & he commands respect & results. I surely don’t think we’d be worse than .500 with him & there’s no guarantee somebody else would have us in the conversation for an ACC Championship.
All kinds of people, FSU fans and fans of other programs, could believe how Bobby Bowden's last several teams were so undisciplined, so lacking in fundamentals. They assumed that no matter his age, Coach Bowden always would produce what he had produced when he was 40 and 50 and 60. But age does that to people. They slow, and get softer, if only because they catch less that needs tightening top than they did a few years earlier.

What Belichick did years ago in the NFL means very little to what he as a 72 year old could do now.

There seems not to be a single NFL GM wanting to hire Belichick.
 
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Not sure about BB but our teams couldn’t be less fundamentally sound than they currently are. Frankly, just about any decent coach would be an upgrade.
more than any other single factor, the lack of fundamentals is what frustrates me the most. I noticed that in a particular game this season, they all-of-a-sudden started tackling like they should, going for the legs and wrapping up instead of chasing and grabbing at them up high or wrestling with them. It was extremely gratifying to see but why wasn't that there to begin with? How do you watch film and somehow miss that glaring defect and take x number of games to suddenly correct it?
 
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All kinds of people, FSU fans and fans of other programs, could believe how Bobby Bowden's last several teams were so undisciplined, so lacking in fundamentals. They assumed that no matter his age, Coach Bowden always would produce what he had produced when he was 40 and 50 and 60. But age does that to people. They slow, and get softer, if only because they catch less that needs tightening top than they did a few years earlier.

What Belichick did years ago in the NFL means very little to what he as a 72 year old could do now.

There seems not to be a single NFL GM wanting to hire Belichick.
does the phrase 'pig-in-a-poke' come to mind? It does for me. Not that I really know anything, but I do suspect that we might once again be buying one. I guess we just have to trust Bubba, even though I haven't seen that much reason to do that (or NOT do that) so far.

I often wonder how much autonomy Bubba has and how much he acts on that instead of kowtowing to the people who keep him employed. Those people don't look at things the way we do.
 
Fwiw gameday reporting belichick has done a “deep dive” on unc and is interested. They also say no offer has been made or is imminent. As a side note I will point out their panel and guests of ex college coaches and players are all in agreement it would be a great hire. So once again….lots of ridicule and criticism in here and on the internet about hiring him but with one exception (cam Newton) all the pundits I’ve seen and heard on radio and tv who I would consider to be “in the know” have all had good things to say about hiring him. Cowherd is very critical of it but I wouldn’t consider him knowledgeable.
my cynical nature always causes me to question why one would say what they say, or why they aren't saying something else. Bottom line, I tend to disregard much of what is said publicly. Find out what they say in private when they have no reason to blow smoke.. I am still leery of hiring Belichick.
 
Woad conveniently leaves out the detail that bill is demanding full control for an nfl spot. If it weren’t for that he woulda got snapped up last season
yep.

that is my #1 concern with bb right now, today…he hasn’t shown his ability to select talent to fill out a roster…but by all means, get that nil up and work that portal(free agency) like a stripper on a pole in charlotte nc.
 
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Woad conveniently leaves out the detail that bill is demanding full control for an nfl spot. If it weren’t for that he woulda got snapped up last season
Which means what to you? Any NFL owner of a franchise that is doing bad on the field and/or at the ticket booth that believed that Belichick is all there, that he is still a top level coach, would give him full control.
 
i know of one…the problem with that owner/gm is that he’s 80 and doesn’t have time for a bad time.
Well then it might sense of him to risk Belichick because if that turns out to be a costly mistake, he will be dead when the rotten fruits appear.
 
There seems not to be a single NFL GM wanting to hire Belichick.
If there was, we wouldn't have a chance to hire him. We should be thanking our lucky stars that he's even sniffing around the opportunity. The publicity him even interviewing for the job has brought the program is better than anything we've had in years. I can't comprehend how anyone would want some ho-hum relative no-name to get the job over the greatest coach who's ever lived.
 
Jerry Jones says hi.
If Jerry Jones wants Belichick, he will get him. But Jerry is speeding toward 90 himself, and most Cowboys brass other than Jerry, as well as fans, are tired of his mismanagement. When was that last Super Bowl? And who kept making bad decisions that kept the Cowboys out of the Super Bowl?

So it may well be that for wise people, whatever Jerry wants is something best to avoid. As with HCs well past their prime, it is rather obvious that Jones as active Owner began going over the hill in the last century's waning days.
 
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Well @WoadBlue it’s looking like we’ll be able to see for ourselves just how stupid it would be to hire belichick.
One thing you would see with hiring a 72 year old coach is that you must rehire very quickly. And it sounds like Belichick wants his non-entity son to be guaranteed to replace him. So no real transition problem, but nepotism to fill the Taj Mahal. And nobody is confusing Beli JR with the next great HC.
 
If Jerry Jones wants Belichick, he will get him. But Jerry is speeding toward 90 himself, and most Cowboys brass other than Jerry, as well as fans, are tired of his mismanagement. When was that last Super Bowl? And who kept making bad decisions that kept the Cowboys out of the Super Bowl?

So it may well be that for wise people, whatever Jerry wants is something best to avoid. As with HCs well past their prime, it is rather obvious that Jones as active Owner began going over the hill in the last century's waning days.
relax, dude, and get a grip. I didn't bring up JJ as someone who might be interested in BB. I brought up Jerry Jones as an example of an owner/manager who WOULD meddle in a 'top level' coach's ability to fully control the team, where you had claimed that there was nonesuch. Balderdash I say, he was famous for such meddling at one point, as was the Redskins owner whose name escapes me..

So if I can decipher whatever it is you're trying to say here, it seems you now agree with me and contradict yourself in the process. But maybe my decoder ring is broken.
 
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This is going to happen. Might as well wrap our head around it and start focusing on potential coaching staff candidates. What type of offense and defensive scheme would BB want etc.
 
relax, dude, and get a grip. I didn't bring up JJ as someone who might be interested in BB. I brought up Jerry Jones as an example of an owner/manager who WOULD meddle in a 'top level' coach's ability to fully control the team, where you had claimed that there was nonesuch. Balderdash I say, he was famous for such meddling at one point, as was the Redskins owner whose name escapes me..

So if I can decipher whatever it is you're trying to say here, it seems you now agree with me and contradict yourself in the process. But maybe my decoder ring is broken.
Yes, you are wrong.. On all accounts. There is no such thing as an NFL owner who is not all over the whole process, all year long. The only differences are degree and public grandstanding. The franchise Front Office makes all the biggest decisions. The most successful HCs may be other and have. full say, but he is not making those decisions alone. If Belichick has demand that, no wonder he has 0 NFL offers over nearby a full year. And if he is that then he is wrong for UNC.

It is possible to be worse than Mack. An equally old guy who is even more dead set on his way that he knows worked back in the day elsewhere (and ion this case, the NFL rather than CFB) who is even more hard shelled and resistant to any kind of advice will prove worse.

A Belichick hire would be a type of Lottery gamble: it either gets me the huge windfall I am praying for, or it will leave me with far more failure, making my hole deeper.

How many 72 year old coaches have ever won a National Championship? Conference Championship? Super Bowl? NFC or AFC championship?
 
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