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Of course you could but you start doing that stupid crap and you're committing recruiting suicide and turning your school in to a glorified G league or worse. C'mon man (hat tip joe bidden) !!
I don't understand the comment. What is "recruiting suicide" about getting good players from the portal? That's definitely what we're going to try to do; I think it's a pretty obvious strategy at this point. We don't have very many guys on the team that can play.
 
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Well we may not have talent but we are going to have the same talent minus Love and Black next season.. so I just don't see how it's going to be any better. Better hope Wilcher is an absolute stud and we find some real good players in the portal.. don't wanna hear Davis and Bacot are good building blocks.. we had them this year and they didn't help us make tournament.
 
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Love is not a PG, I do like that he is trying to be more PG like this season but still, he simply is not a point (he is more a 2-3 combo than 1-2 combo). Wilcher will be the best PG candidate on this team day 1 on campus unless either Trimble drastically re-tools his jump shot (which is a possibility but not a given) or Cadeau reclasses and I do not expect that.

When I look at Puff, Nickel, and Powell at the wing, I see no need to add a portal wing (3 spot). I agree, do not think High gets big PT next season. I see Jalen as a future big time player for us but I really like him more as a 4 than 5, just don't see him adding the kind of weight to battle deep in the paint with ACC big men, I do think he can become a deadly jump shooter even out past the trey arch.

Dunn, I saw the "it" with him this season but he is a kid that really needs big minutes to see his potential become consistent and I don't see that kind of PT for him next season or the season after, my guess is he enters the portal with Styles and Shaver. The perception more than what I think the reality will be is that there may be really good minutes for UNC for a guy that can be a starter at the 4 and maybe fill in some minutes backing Bacot up, I think we need a rim protector shot blocker (wish we had one right now but Nance is as close to that as we have and well, you know).

All I am hearing is that Love is gone after this season ends, I expect him and Bacot to test the combine and in the end Love leaves and Bacot comes back. While I like both as young men as well as players, the RJ/Caleb back court duo just has never worked like it should, lot of reasons for that but in the end it is like a corvette that needs a valve job, should run great but best it does is run good sometimes! LOL If that tandem is broken up I think it helps us as a team over all, NOTE I do not blame this season results on those 2 guys, don't blame the dance if the music is messed up!
Can't count on Love to be the PG. Too many silly and unforced turnovers, plus his decision making isn't good.
 
I don't understand the comment. What is "recruiting suicide" about getting good players from the portal? That's definitely what we're going to try to do; I think it's a pretty obvious strategy at this point. We don't have very many guys on the team that can play.
Don't be obtuse man. Yeah let's just make the program about the portal and bring in 3 or 4 grads or portal players every year and expect 5* freshman recruits to compete with them for PT. One of the biggest complaints I've had both this year and last was lack of bench use. I tell ya what. Let's just stop recruiting all together and make UNC a "portal" destination. Turn UNC in to G league lite with better NIL than the G league pays .. f tradition .. just win baby !! And 5 portal players won't win either .. look at dook, KY and a handful of other schools that do the OAD crap every year. GMAFB !!
 
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Don't be obtuse man. Yeah let's just make the program about the portal and bring in 3 or 4 grads or portal players every year and expect 5* freshman recruits to compete with them for PT. One of the biggest complaints I've had both this year and last was lack of bench use. I tell ya what. Let's just stop recruiting all together and make UNC a "portal" destination. Turn UNC in to G league lite with better NIL than the G league pays .. f tradition .. just win baby !! And 5 portal players won't win either .. look at dook, KY and a handful of other schools that do the OAD crap every year. GMAFB !!
Well, I don't agree with you. You think landing Manek hurt recruiting? Winning and fame usually helps.

I think we've missed on several of our recent recruits. Sticking with a bunch of guys to go 10-22 will probably cost Hubert his job, and will definitely lead to de-commits. I'd rather bring in the best 13 we can and let the best player win the job, I don't care what school/level they came from. I hope we bring in at least 3-4 guys from the portal, as I think we have very few players currently that can win ACC games. I guess that makes me obtuse. :)
 
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Before we start talking about the players we do and don't need, I think this team has a much bigger and more fundamental problem: HD and the coaching staff.

I just listened to the latest HD Live podcast, and I was extremely disappointed. In trying to explain why this team underachieved this year, he used far too many lame excuses that are unbecoming of a UNC HC, including: weight, burden, expectation, and noise. I was waiting for him to blame pressure, but he didn't.

I am not convinced that HD has a cogent plan to right the UNC ship. Recruiting stud athletes helps, but we also need studly coaching. Sure he is inexperienced as a HC, so he better have rock-solid staff members to help him teach fundamental defensive and offensive principles, practice these principles religiously, focus on developing all team members to their full potential, make timely intra-game adjustments on defense and offense, and have the intestinal fortitude to bench "star" players who are not playing well. Like I have stated previously, HD should consider upgrading his coaching staff to help him in the areas of coaching where he is lacking. So he should likely portal in a grizzly old coach or two who can strengthen the coaching staff, and consider allowing some staff members to find their future elsewhere. I actually like that Mack is bringing in some seasoned analysts to his staff, and maybe HD should do the same.
 
Actually Leaky was more consistent from 3 than most anyone else was we had aside from RJ. Caleb sure as hell threw up a ton of bricks/ air ball prayers, Nance barely looked for his 3 (which he was touted for) and was flat when he shot it, Tremble had no shot, and Puff... well, he may have one of the ugliest shooting strokes I've seen in Carolina blue for someone who is supposed to be a shooter. Dunn seems to have a decent stroke but didn't exactly get a lot of chances.
Agreed Leaky got a little better this year, but that was in his 5th season and teams still gave him wide open looks. If Hubert want's to run his offense, we have to have quality shooters from the 1-4 and at least a 5 that can hit a 12 to 15 footer consistently. We need a big influx of shooters right now!
 
Before we start talking about the players we do and don't need, I think this team has a much bigger and more fundamental problem: HD and the coaching staff.

I just listened to the latest HD Live podcast, and I was extremely disappointed. In trying to explain why this team underachieved this year, he used far too many lame excuses that are unbecoming of a UNC HC, including: weight, burden, expectation, and noise. I was waiting for him to blame pressure, but he didn't.

I am not convinced that HD has a cogent plan to right the UNC ship. Recruiting stud athletes helps, but we also need studly coaching. Sure he is inexperienced as a HC, so he better have rock-solid staff members to help him teach fundamental defensive and offensive principles, practice these principles religiously, focus on developing all team members to their full potential, make timely intra-game adjustments on defense and offense, and have the intestinal fortitude to bench "star" players who are not playing well. Like I have stated previously, HD should consider upgrading his coaching staff to help him in the areas of coaching where he is lacking. So he should likely portal in a grizzly old coach or two who can strengthen the coaching staff, and consider allowing some staff members to find their future elsewhere. I actually like that Mack is bringing in some seasoned analysts to his staff, and maybe HD should do the same.
I agree that we need a great staff and I think we do have some good ones already. The problem is that Hubert has to listen to them and ask for their help. I've asked the question many times and never gotten an answer, but how much does Hubert actually do that? If he's not doing that, then it doesn't matter who the assistants are.
 
I agree that we need a great staff and I think we do have some good ones already. The problem is that Hubert has to listen to them and ask for their help. I've asked the question many times and never gotten an answer, but how much does Hubert actually do that? If he's not doing that, then it doesn't matter who the assistants are.

How can you say that? You must have a better grip on what each is tasked with. I don't know the roles of each assistant. If I knew that, I may be able to better understand where the disconnect is. May and Lebo seem like good recruiters but what are their duties with regard to coaching?
 
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How can you say that? You must have a better grip on what each is tasked with. I don't know the roles of each assistant. If I knew that, I may be able to better understand where the disconnect is. May and Lebo seem like good recruiters but what are their duties with regard to coaching?
Say what? That it doesn't matter how good assistants are if you don't listen to them? That seems pretty obvious. My question is, does Hubert do that? We have several people here who claim to know what's going on inside the program, but shockingly don't know if Hubert takes the assistant's advice.
 
I see using the portal much like getting a 5 star recruit, I want the base to be built with developed or developing UNC recruits and fill in the gaps with a portal guy or 2. You have to blend it, if you get to portal happy you risk losing that UNC flavor & tradition of loyalty to the name on the front of the jersey but don't use the portal and you may not have the level of talent you need. Just have to expect the fact that players do not seem as willing to wait their turn now days, feel they are already developed and just do not deal with seniority like they used to.

I see losing Nickel much the same as I saw losing Kessler, guys that had they got decent PT we would not have lost, Kessler was on Roy but Nickel is on Hubert, those guys could have helped this program.
 
Before we start talking about the players we do and don't need, I think this team has a much bigger and more fundamental problem: HD and the coaching staff.

I just listened to the latest HD Live podcast, and I was extremely disappointed. In trying to explain why this team underachieved this year, he used far too many lame excuses that are unbecoming of a UNC HC, including: weight, burden, expectation, and noise. I was waiting for him to blame pressure, but he didn't.

I am not convinced that HD has a cogent plan to right the UNC ship. Recruiting stud athletes helps, but we also need studly coaching. Sure he is inexperienced as a HC, so he better have rock-solid staff members to help him teach fundamental defensive and offensive principles, practice these principles religiously, focus on developing all team members to their full potential, make timely intra-game adjustments on defense and offense, and have the intestinal fortitude to bench "star" players who are not playing well. Like I have stated previously, HD should consider upgrading his coaching staff to help him in the areas of coaching where he is lacking. So he should likely portal in a grizzly old coach or two who can strengthen the coaching staff, and consider allowing some staff members to find their future elsewhere. I actually like that Mack is bringing in some seasoned analysts to his staff, and maybe HD should do the same.
One of the things with Hubert that I simply do not understand is he went out of his way to insure that his entire staff would be former UNC players and not only do I like that I think it is really cool. So do recruits because they all talk about how much UNC is a family and they point to the entire staff being former UNC players as what they see that reflects that.

Like I said, I think that is great but ask, what good does it do when you do not run UNC schemes? I mean, if for example, if you wanted to run a nasty zone defense, wouldn't you maybe want to add a Bohiem staff member, if you wanted to run a pac man defense why not add a Tony bennet guy to the staff, if you want to run NBA schemes, should not your staff reflect that? Yet we add UNC staff members and run more NBA like stuff with no NBA coaching experience outside of having played in the NBA?
 
Say what? That it doesn't matter how good assistants are if you don't listen to them? That seems pretty obvious. My question is, does Hubert do that? We have several people here who claim to know what's going on inside the program, but shockingly don't know if Hubert takes the assistant's advice.

You say, "you believe we have good assistants". I'm asking how you know or why you think we have good assistants. What's good about Sean May outside of his recruiting? Or Jeff Lebo. I'm saying that I don't know enough about what each assistant is in charge of to evaluate whether they are doing their jobs or not. Do you know more than I do in the regard?

Also, I must have missed those poasts from others claiming to have insider info. Who specifically has said such? Because I'd like to ask what particular advice has Hubert rejected?
 
I'm on the fence about losing Nickel. He may become a great shooter. But he's limited athletically and certainly defensively. And ultimately, I think he would be too much of a specialist and not well rounded enough to be a foundational piece for the next few years. We need to get away from these specialists and get more 5 tool ballers.
 
5 - Bacot, Washington, Shaver
4 - Washington, Z High
3 - Puff, Styles or Styles, Puff. I think Styles can be a consistent outside shooter if given minutes if he stays.
2 - Dunn, Wilcher
1 - RJ, Tremble

This can only be successful with a high level of minutes and development for Wilcher, Z High and Styles.
These are only my thoughts. No condemnation..
 
5 - Bacot, Washington, Shaver
4 - Washington, Z High
3 - Puff, Styles or Styles, Puff. I think Styles can be a consistent outside shooter if given minutes if he stays.
2 - Dunn, Wilcher
1 - RJ, Tremble

That team is a 10 win team just because RJ and Mando will each have a couple games where they go off. Let's hope this is not what we're looking at next year.
 
I don't understand the comment. What is "recruiting suicide" about getting good players from the portal? That's definitely what we're going to try to do; I think it's a pretty obvious strategy at this point. We don't have very many guys on the team that can play.
I saw an article yesterday saying that Tom Izzo chose not to participate in the portal and dislikes what NIL and the portal have done to the game. Some expect him to retire after this season for those reasons.

I have no idea if that's true, but a hat-tip to Izzo if it is.

I say that as someone who thinks both the portal and player compensation (but not the current NIL) are good ideas.

Interesting that despite no transfers and a mediocre 2022 class (ranked #56, with no 5-star players, and no freshman starters), Izzo has his team in the NAACT as a 7-seed.
 
That team is a 10 win team just because RJ and Mando will each have a couple games where they go off. Let's hope this is not what we're looking at next year.
I know it sounds weird, but I'm excited to see some new blood. The losing will quickly get old and I'll probably be saying something different in January. But I'm personally excited for change as of right now.

Maybe the strangest group of players at UNC in my lifetime. We saw their absolute peak when it mattered the most and may have seen their floor once everyone had their eyes on them. Just a bizarre amount of variance for an older group.
 
That team is a 10 win team just because RJ and Mando will each have a couple games where they go off. Let's hope this is not what we're looking at next year.
I think that's a .500 team or better - depending on how many creampuffs we schedule, and how much worse the ACC gets. But I don't expect some of those guys to still be here.

Armando seems fed up enough that only NIL and chicks would keep him around. Sure, those are perfectly good reasons. But how hard does a guy play if his motivation hinges on that?
 
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You say, "you believe we have good assistants". I'm asking how you know or why you think we have good assistants. What's good about Sean May outside of his recruiting? Or Jeff Lebo. I'm saying that I don't know enough about what each assistant is in charge of to evaluate whether they are doing their jobs or not. Do you know more than I do in the regard?

Also, I must have missed those poasts from others claiming to have insider info. Who specifically has said such? Because I'd like to ask what particular advice has Hubert rejected?
I've just heard people say that May is doing a good job and it's just my assumption that Lebo has some good knowledge based on his background. That wasn't really my main point though. My point was that it doesn't matter if Hubert is ignoring them. I've yet to see anyone say if Hubert is using the assistants.

As far as inside info, it's the same people here that have claimed they have inside stuff for years. You can also add @DaveChapelle to the list now. Apparently he goes to all of the practices.
 
I think that's a .500 team or better - depending on how many creampuffs we schedule, and how much worse the ACC gets. But I don't expect some of those guys to still be here.

Armando seems fed up enough that only NIL and chicks would keep him around. Sure, those are perfectly good reasons. But how hard does a guy play if his motivation hinges on that?
Good point.
 
I've just heard people say that May is doing a good job and it's just my assumption that Lebo has some good knowledge based on his background. That wasn't really my main point though. My point was that it doesn't matter if Hubert is ignoring them. I've yet to see anyone say if Hubert is using the assistants.

As far as inside info, it's the same people here that have claimed they have inside stuff for years. You can also add @DaveChapelle to the list now. Apparently he goes to all of the practices.
If May is the main guy for recruiting then I'd say he's definitely doing a good job. Recruiting is important enough that I'd be fine with an assistant who can do nothing else but keep delivering top 10 recruits like we've landed. May also coaches the bigs I think; not sure the results are so promising there in terms of technical improvements made.

Frederick manages the subs with Hubert based on an interview I heard him give. That seems like an area for improvement for sure lol. Same with Lebo if he's supposedly the one coaching our guards.
 
If May is the main guy for recruiting then I'd say he's definitely doing a good job. Recruiting is important enough that I'd be fine with an assistant who can do nothing else but keep delivering top 10 recruits like we've landed. May also coaches the bigs I think; not sure the results are so promising there in terms of technical improvements made.

Frederick manages the subs with Hubert based on an interview I heard him give. That seems like an area for improvement for sure lol. Same with Lebo if he's supposedly the one coaching our guards.
Well, that means either he's not listening to them or the assistants are pretty bad at their job. Although, I guess it's possible their coaching style is based on what Hubert has asked them to do.
 
I know it sounds weird, but I'm excited to see some new blood. The losing will quickly get old and I'll probably be saying something different in January. But I'm personally excited for change as of right now.

Maybe the strangest group of players at UNC in my lifetime. We saw their absolute peak when it mattered the most and may have seen their floor once everyone had their eyes on them. Just a bizarre amount of variance for an older group.

Don’t get me wrong, I too am more than ready for a new group. At least there, we have hope.
 
I hope we bring in at least 3-4 guys from the portal, as I think we have very few players currently that can win ACC games. I guess that makes me obtuse. :)
I think if you bring in 3-4 portal guys every year you will start missing out on the the top 25-75 HS players that will stay around four years to develop as a team and you basically turn your school in to a one and done portal destination where upperclassmen come in for the NIL with no respect for the tradition of the program, and you turn your program in to a glorified higher exposure G league team which never has the chance to build anything resembling team chemistry because e1 is trying to showcase themselves, which we painfully endured this past season. I think the NIL money is a great thing but it should shared amongst all the team players in some fashion. If UNC turns into a portal whore then to me it's no longer UNC bball and I turn it off just like I did football, racing, baseball and all the other woke new age garbage. And if that's what you prefer then it does not make you obtuse, just you have a different perspective which I can respect.
 
I think if you bring in 3-4 portal guys every year you will start missing out on the the top 25-75 HS players that will stay around four years to develop as a team and you basically turn your school in to a one and done portal destination where upperclassmen come in for the NIL with no respect for the tradition of the program, and you turn your program in to a glorified higher exposure G league team which never has the chance to build anything resembling team chemistry because e1 is trying to showcase themselves, which we painfully endured this past season. I think the NIL money is a great thing but it should shared amongst all the team players in some fashion. If UNC turns into a portal whore then to me it's no longer UNC bball and I turn it off just like I did football, racing, baseball and all the other woke new age garbage. And if that's what you prefer then it does not make you obtuse, just you have a different perspective which I can respect.
I'm fine with it, and I think having some portal players makes for a better team. It's just not easy to be competitive every year when you have to add guys out of HS projecting them 4-5 years down the line. You end up with rosters like this year where there are no shooters because your shooting prospects didn't develop, no guards like 2019-2020 because Coby left early, or no bigs like 2017-2018 because Tony Bradley left early.

Ideal team composition for me is two incoming five stars, 2 guys ranked in the 25-75 range, and 2 transfers every year. Before you say "that's 6 incomers for only 13 scholarships", you probably have one five star and both transfers only for the year so you have more roster turnover. This lets you have continual talent + experience infusions that can fill roster gaps, while maintaining a solid core of players.

Then this year we just need more transfers because our recent #30-75 guys haven't panned out. Starting with the 2019 class we've had Harris, Davis, Puff, Styles, Dunn, Trimble, Washington, Nickel, and Garcia if you want to count him (was a sophomore 1 year removed from the #37 ranking). The book is still open on Trimble/Wash/Dunn but the early returns aren't great there, and the rest are pretty much complete and we're 1-for-6 in terms of quality players adding significant value. When you miss that much you need to add talent from elsewhere or you're going to have some really down years, so I'm fine with ~4 portal additions this offseason. The scholarships have to go somewhere.
 
I think if you bring in 3-4 portal guys every year you will start missing out on the the top 25-75 HS players that will stay around four years to develop as a team and you basically turn your school in to a one and done portal destination where upperclassmen come in for the NIL with no respect for the tradition of the program, and you turn your program in to a glorified higher exposure G league team which never has the chance to build anything resembling team chemistry because e1 is trying to showcase themselves, which we painfully endured this past season. I think the NIL money is a great thing but it should shared amongst all the team players in some fashion. If UNC turns into a portal whore then to me it's no longer UNC bball and I turn it off just like I did football, racing, baseball and all the other woke new age garbage. And if that's what you prefer then it does not make you obtuse, just you have a different perspective which I can respect.

I get this sentiment. And if Roy was still coaching, I would buy it wholly. Because Roy proved on many occasions the ability to develop guys over the years into integral pieces for successful teams. That list is long. Hubert has not proven that yet. And I don’t know if he can do that. Maybe he can. But I’m not in favor of him trying it until we are back to competing at the top of league year in and year out. If we’re going to stay competitive in the short term, Hubert is going to have to bring in OAD players and portal players.

In a perfect world, Hubert uses the short term rental model as a springboard (or as a life preserver just to stay afloat; however you see it) to what we became used to under Dean and Roy - keeping talented players in the program, building and developing great “teams” over the course of a few years.
 
The Roy Williams formula used to be build a foundation, sprinkle in a couple of OADs at the right time and compete for a championship.

The portal is basically the equivalent of sprinkling in OADs. Unfortunately, it's also the way you can lose your foundation.
 
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In a perfect world, Hubert uses the short term rental model as a springboard (or as a life preserver just to stay afloat; however you see it) to what we became used to under Dean and Roy - keeping talented players in the program, building and developing great “teams” over the course of a few years.
I get it GSD but the thing of it is once you start down that road where's the u turn where you go back to what you were supposed to carry forward? I'll just smoke this one cig, just try this one line .. maybe a bad example but you see where I'm going. Once you get known for doing something these (marginal) kids coming out of HS only have a couple years to enjoy and showcase their skills and if they don't think they can get their time in the sun because they will always be recruited over then the UNC sky blue starts looking like the darker shade across the road. jmo
 
Currently there is room for 3 portal additions with perhaps another 1 or 2 to come.
Monday will be MANIC!!!!
Studs galore will be available, I will withhold any more defections projected until then.
Hubert and staff have to step up this offseason, Carolina needs to be a top 10-20 team at the very least all season in 2023-24.
 
Current roster for next year with some assumptions made:

Davis
Trimble
Dunn
Puff
Washington
Bacot
Wilcher
High

We could add 5 from either reclass or the portal.

Needs:
PG
shooting
size
 
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Current roster for next year with some assumptions made:

Davis
Trimble
Dunn
Puff
Washington
Bacot
Wilcher
High

We could add 5 from either reclass or the portal.

Needs:
PG
shooting
size
I think we add 3-4 players depending on whom else may leave. 5 is unrealistic because incoming players will expect to play big min.
I predict 3
 
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If that's the case, we need a PG (badly!), some wing shooting and another big. That would be my wish list if it's just 3.
I think we need a pure pg to push R.J. to shooting guard. My hope is that Wilcher can at least become a lead guard like Coby White was and that will allow R.J to do what he does best, SCORE!.
Aside from Wilcher though, I am convinced that the recruitment of a portal pg will not take place.
 
Current roster for next year with some assumptions made:

Davis
Trimble
Dunn
Puff
Washington
Bacot
Wilcher
High

We could add 5 from either reclass or the portal.

Needs:
PG
shooting
size
That's very similar to my thinking.

RJ - Trimble
Wilcher - Dunn
New Guy - Puff
New Guy - Washington - High
Bacot - New Guy

I know some want a PG, too. I worry that if we get a starting PG, someone else will transfer. I don't want to lose RJ or Trimble. And I'm thinking Dunn could be pretty darn good if he sticks around.

If High is ready to play, and/or if Washington turns the corner, maybe we don't need 2 new guys up front.

We could have used a guy like Duke's transfer Ryan Young to back up Bacot this season. He averaged 18 mpg for them.
 
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