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“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.” Diane Feinstein
where do these lib idiots get these notions from? There is no fundamental right to feel safe, beyond the freedom to feel however you want to feel without repercussion.

We have guns and police to help make us feel safe, and the morons who think we have a fundamental right to feel safe are the ones trying to degradate (my word) the very protections we have by banning guns, defunding and otherwise hamstringing police, and encouraging the very criminality that we supposedly have a right to feel safe from.
 
You got offended because you perceived that I was intentionally slurring Dems when I specifically said I didn’t think all Dems were corrupt and that I thought 85-90% of all Congressmen were corrupt, Pubs and Dems alike.
Is that what you think this is all about? Where did you go on vacation, Arch, the South Pole?

I spotted your mathematical error immediately and wrote you suck at math. Then bluetard got involved, and making the same mistake as you defended your error. By the time he realized his mistake, rather than having the balls to do as you did yesterday and say "my bad," he broke out this "at least" crap because he couldn't admit that he was wrong. He never can and he has had countless opportunities on different topics.

Offend me? Hardly.
 
Because the weapons I listed, including AR-style rifles such as AR-15s, are the weapons of choice in mass shootings that I was specifically talking about.
I don't know that your premise is actually true. But, of course, this all depends on how one defines the actual problem including things like "mass shootings". I get the idea that you only know what the msm is feeding you and they have a decidedly anti-gun, anti assault rifle, support the party line at all costs mentality. Thus, the idea that all the "problem" shootings and murders would be solved by simply banning these horrible weapons of war is constantly thrust upon you. I guess you missed the part where I noted that the previous ban had no actual impact on crime and the murder rates. Yes, it was horrible what happened in St. Louis. However, did you know that last weekend in Chicago, 45 people were shot and 12 killed? How many do you think happened with your dreaded AR and how many of the arms do you think were acquired legally? You don't even consider the bigger issues, however.

The problem is not the specific guns, but the people using them. Incidentally, even if you were correct about being the weapon of choice, perhaps we should stop promoting these shooters with 24/7 coverage and focusing on AR's. You can't even accept the basic concept that an AR is functionally the same as every other semi-automatic firearm except it looks more menacing. Think about what this focus and sensationalism does to the average wacko out there. Btw, I can fire just as many rounds through a handgun as an AR, it just takes more magazines and the associated magazine change that literally is accomplished in a couple seconds.

Not only did I mean to say semi-automatic weapons but that is precisely the term I used a few posts back. Do details really matter to you because it appears you've become rather sloppy with the details.
I quoted you big boy, so it was your words, not my error on the details. I'm not going to go back and play Nostradamus with your previous posts. Just admit you f'ed up and move on. It's not that hard for most people. Simple mistake and I even acknowledged it in my post and addressed both automatic and semi-automatic. Your response just comes off as a little Napoleonic, but this isn't the first time, nor will it be the last. Simmer down.

$2000+? Is that all? For a weapon that can take out dozens of innocent victims in minutes without reloading? Wow! Like I said, cheap.
This speaks for itself. Do you have a trust fund or something? Is your real name Hunter?

So what's the problem here? You pointed out the higher number of fatalities in blue cities with liberal policies and I pointed out the higher number of fatalities in red states with conservative policies. So what? It almost sounds like your accusing me of not fighting fairly.

This reminds me of my ignorant cousin who was once complaining about states like New York and California being blue states only because of their large metropolitan areas that are full of Democrats. I countered with the states of Texas and Florida, red states that also have large metropolitan areas that are heavily Republican, and he did the same thing you're doing right now.
"But, but, it's not the same thing."
"It's exactly the same thing, cousin Eddie."
Cousin Eddie scratches his head, dumbfounded by the exchange and suddenly unsure of himself.
Apparently, your cousin Eddie at least paid attention in elementary and middle school when you were held back or out sick because it's not the same thing. The concept you are missing here is that cities are located within states. Cities are often blue while being located in a red state. Since you fancy yourself a math expert, imagine a Venn diagram where the smaller circles (cities) are located inside one larger circle (state).

You mentioned Texas as an example of a decidedly red state, but make the mistake of assuming the metro areas are Republican (red). Take a moment and look it up instead of just putting your foot in your mouth. The ten largest cities are: Houston (4th largest in the country); San Antonio (7th in US); Dallas (9th); Austin (11th); Ft. Worth (13th); El Paso (24th); Arlington (49th) ; Corpus Christi (62nd); Plano (76th); and Irving (86th). They all fall into the blue camp except Plano which still, for now, leans conservative.

I don’t know where you live to discuss specifically how it works, but in almost all locations, the job of crime enforcement and crime prosecution is a local responsibility (usually county by county which, of course, are dominated by the city located therein). And much of what happens is a reflection of local elections, so movements like defunding the police force, automatic bail, and non-existent prosecution are reflective of the politics on a local level. States don't control this aspect of governmental life.

Thus, numbers get skewed and it is intellectually dishonest to point a finger at Texas as a red state with red policies when the concentration of crime is in locations that are decidedly blue. Secondly, and the point you want to completely ignore, is the claim about red states is per capita. The total number of murders in a city like Houston doesn’t go down just because they are huge. The following are not actual numbers, but are hypothetical to lay out the distinctions. If a county only has a thousand residents and has 15 murders, that's a rate of 1.5. If a city has 4 million people, but has the much lower rate of 1.0, that's still 40,000 murders. The per capita rate of the city is technically one third lower than the county (1.0 v. 1.5), but I know where I'd rather live from a crime standpoint. Who do you think has a bigger murder problem: 40,000 or 15? If you can’t follow these simple concepts, I can’t help you.
 
I don't know that your premise is actually true. But, of course, this all depends on how one defines the actual problem including things like "mass shootings". I get the idea that you only know what the msm is feeding you and they have a decidedly anti-gun, anti assault rifle, support the party line at all costs mentality. Thus, the idea that all the "problem" shootings and murders would be solved by simply banning these horrible weapons of war is constantly thrust upon you. I guess you missed the part where I noted that the previous ban had no actual impact on crime and the murder rates. Yes, it was horrible what happened in St. Louis. However, did you know that last weekend in Chicago, 45 people were shot and 12 killed? How many do you think happened with your dreaded AR and how many of the arms do you think were acquired legally? You don't even consider the bigger issues, however.

The problem is not the specific guns, but the people using them. Incidentally, even if you were correct about being the weapon of choice, perhaps we should stop promoting these shooters with 24/7 coverage and focusing on AR's. You can't even accept the basic concept that an AR is functionally the same as every other semi-automatic firearm except it looks more menacing. Think about what this focus and sensationalism does to the average wacko out there. Btw, I can fire just as many rounds through a handgun as an AR, it just takes more magazines and the associated magazine change that literally is accomplished in a couple seconds.


I quoted you big boy, so it was your words, not my error on the details. I'm not going to go back and play Nostradamus with your previous posts. Just admit you f'ed up and move on. It's not that hard for most people. Simple mistake and I even acknowledged it in my post and addressed both automatic and semi-automatic. Your response just comes off as a little Napoleonic, but this isn't the first time, nor will it be the last. Simmer down.


This speaks for itself. Do you have a trust fund or something? Is your real name Hunter?


Apparently, your cousin Eddie at least paid attention in elementary and middle school when you were held back or out sick because it's not the same thing. The concept you are missing here is that cities are located within states. Cities are often blue while being located in a red state. Since you fancy yourself a math expert, imagine a Venn diagram where the smaller circles (cities) are located inside one larger circle (state).

You mentioned Texas as an example of a decidedly red state, but make the mistake of assuming the metro areas are Republican (red). Take a moment and look it up instead of just putting your foot in your mouth. The ten largest cities are: Houston (4th largest in the country); San Antonio (7th in US); Dallas (9th); Austin (11th); Ft. Worth (13th); El Paso (24th); Arlington (49th) ; Corpus Christi (62nd); Plano (76th); and Irving (86th). They all fall into the blue camp except Plano which still, for now, leans conservative.

I don’t know where you live to discuss specifically how it works, but in almost all locations, the job of crime enforcement and crime prosecution is a local responsibility (usually county by county which, of course, are dominated by the city located therein). And much of what happens is a reflection of local elections, so movements like defunding the police force, automatic bail, and non-existent prosecution are reflective of the politics on a local level. States don't control this aspect of governmental life.

Thus, numbers get skewed and it is intellectually dishonest to point a finger at Texas as a red state with red policies when the concentration of crime is in locations that are decidedly blue. Secondly, and the point you want to completely ignore, is the claim about red states is per capita. The total number of murders in a city like Houston doesn’t go down just because they are huge. The following are not actual numbers, but are hypothetical to lay out the distinctions. If a county only has a thousand residents and has 15 murders, that's a rate of 1.5. If a city has 4 million people, but has the much lower rate of 1.0, that's still 40,000 murders. The per capita rate of the city is technically one third lower than the county (1.0 v. 1.5), but I know where I'd rather live from a crime standpoint. Who do you think has a bigger murder problem: 40,000 or 15? If you can’t follow these simple concepts, I can’t help you.

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Heels noir, you need to quit arguing the math thing. If someone says at least 20% of all dogs are black and it turns out that 40% are black, then nothing that person said is incorrect. If that person says 20% of all dogs are black and it turns out that 40% are black, then what that person said is incorrect. You got offended because you perceived that I was intentionally slurring Dems when I specifically said I didn’t think all Dems were corrupt and that I thought 85-90% of all Congressmen were corrupt, Pubs and Dems alike. I can’t make it any clearer than that. I have criticized Pubs many times before, specifically the guy you and the rest of the Squad are obsessed with, Trump. But you guys, with the exception of Blue34, can‘t stand any criticism of your party. You can’t admit your party’s policies have been responsible for 40 year high inflation, the border invasion, soaring crime, sky high gas and food costs, etc… Your party is in charge, they control all three branches of the government. Trump is no longer POTUS. Your party is completely in charge. Have the balls to admit that, discuss those issues, and defend your party’s policies.
excellent post. The problem to me isn't just the knee jerk reaction to even the slightest hint of negativity projected at the liberal side of things, it's the absolute absence of any regard for the truth and common sense that pervades some (most) of their arguments. It's a necessary symptom of supporting ideas that are fundamentally wrongheaded.

And I wanted to ask you how much you appreciated this laughably magnanimous crock of crap er, case in point...

Thank you for clarifying, Arch, and the only reason I "chose to argue math" was because that ignorant know-it-all bluetard took your error and decided to run with it.

He doesn't even care how blatant his disingenuousness is. LOL, this all started with him 'choosing to argue' your 'math', before I ever got involved. I got involved BECAUSE he chose to wrongly challenge your math and he wanted to be a dick about it.
 
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Is that what you think this is all about? Where did you go on vacation, Arch, the South Pole?

I spotted your mathematical error immediately and wrote you suck at math. Then bluetard got involved, and making the same mistake as you defended your error. By the time he realized his mistake, rather than having the balls to do as you did yesterday and say "my bad," he broke out this "at least" crap because he couldn't admit that he was wrong. He never can and he has had countless opportunities on different topics.

Offend me? Hardly.
lol, denial isn't just a river in Egypt. You really are a pathological liar.
 
I have better things to do most days than read a bunch of right wingers cherry pick what latest gaffe Biden has made and engage in dishonest intellectual discussion.
What did you think of the NHS stating gender dysphoria in minors may just be a phase and recommend not encouraging the use of alternate pronouns, social transitioning and of course, medical interventions like hormones and surgeries?

You've repeatedly called me a liar for pointing out the vast majority of those suffering gender dysphoria grow out of it if one does nothing. One study indicated a whopping 94% become comfortable with their gender and body, no longer suffering gender dysphoria.

So isn't gender affirming care a severe abusive practice to the vast majority of people suffering gender dysphoria?

The NHS says so. Kind of cool for the Brits to back off some of the woke nonsense even if they are generally swimming in it.
 
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I don't know that your premise is actually true.
Of course that isn't going to stop you from arguing about it, is it? You seem more interested in mindlessly telling me how wrong I am than actually taking the time to research and learn about something you willingly admit you're not completely sure of. Nice. Maybe you're afraid that I might be right?

Unlike yesterday when I had a lot of free time on my hands, today I am pretty busy and I don't have the time nor the desire to go back and forth with you. I realize you spent all this time writing up another long post but quite frankly my passion over this subject obviously isn't the same as yours. My stance on the matter is simple and it is this: I support the Second Amendment but I don't believe our Founding Fathers would have worded it the way they did had they known that one day we would develop firearms with the capability of wiping out so many people so quickly and thoroughly and make them readily available to just about everyone. I know you and the NRA do not appreciate or respect my view on guns but guess what, the feeling is mutual.

This speaks for itself. Do you have a trust fund or something?
No, I don't. I work as a freelancer in a lucrative job that pays me well. If you think $2000 is a lot of money to spend on something like a gun, you must not be as fortunate.

Thus, numbers get skewed and it is intellectually dishonest to point a finger at Texas as a red state with red policies when the concentration of crime is in locations that are decidedly blue.
Ah, locations like cities which are more densely populated than more rural areas? And of course the majority of US cities have Democrats for mayors. But you can fill in the blank on just about anything to fit the category. E.g., a greater concentration of traffic tickets are handed out in cities, a greater concentration of bagels are sold in cities, a greater concentration of charitable good deeds are performed in cities. Just about everything comes in higher volumes in more densely populated areas rather than rural areas. Except maybe trees and wide open spaces.

With your limited knowledge, are you suggesting that per capita less crime is committed in a place like rural Texas than in the urban cities of Texas? All it takes in the boonies is one lovers' quarrel and one bullet and suddenly the amount of crime is the same for both areas.
 
Of course that isn't going to stop you from arguing about it, is it? You seem more interested in mindlessly telling me how wrong I am than actually taking the time to research and learn about something you willingly admit you're not completely sure of. Nice. Maybe you're afraid that I might be right?

Unlike yesterday when I had a lot of free time on my hands, today I am pretty busy and I don't have the time nor the desire to go back and forth with you. I realize you spent all this time writing up another long post but quite frankly my passion over this subject obviously isn't the same as yours. My stance on the matter is simple and it is this: I support the Second Amendment but I don't believe our Founding Fathers would have worded it the way they did had they known that one day we would develop firearms with the capability of wiping out so many people so quickly and thoroughly and make them readily available to everyone. I know you and the NRA do not appreciate or respect my view on guns but guess what, the feeling is mutual.


No, I don't. I work as a freelancer in a lucrative job that pays me well. If you think $2000 is a lot of money to spend on something like a gun, you must not be as fortunate.


Ah, locations like cities which are more densely populated than more rural areas? And of course the majority of US cities have Democrats for mayors. But you can fill in the blank on just about anything to fit the category. E.g., a greater concentration of traffic tickets are handed out in cities, a greater concentration of bagels are sold in cities, a greater concentration of charitable good deeds are performed in cities. Just about everything comes in higher volumes in more densely populated areas rather than rural areas. Except maybe trees and wide open spaces.

With your limited knowledge, are you suggesting that per capita less crime is committed in a place like rural Texas than in the urban cities of Texas? All it takes in the boonies is one lovers' quarrel and one bullet and suddenly the amount of crime is the same for both areas.
You do realize when the 2nd amendment was written, there already were high capacity, multi-round "weapons of war" available. Same as today except gun manufacturing has improved and that was happening then as well.

So quite obviously an AR-15 has to be a fundamental right to own even under the worst interpretations of the 2nd amendment because they already had weapons similar to that and envisioned improvement on higher rates of fire and so forth.

Moreover, they even had cannons and the 2nd amendment grants private citizens the right to own cannons as well, and by extension, really a great many current weapons of war.

The whole idea was to encourage regular citizens to own and be proficient with military weapons. Frankly they didn't want a standing, permanent army. They wanted the people more well-armed than the federal government.
 
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You do realize when the 2nd amendment was written, there already were high capacity, multi-round "weapons of war" available. Same as today except gun manufacturing has improved and that was happening then as well.
No, not the same as today. Nowhere near the same.

Repeating flintlock guns that had to be loaded, primed, or their magazines rotated in an upright position may have been state of the art in their time but are nothing like what we have on the market today, and it's no wonder it is the board ignoramus who is suggesting as much.

"Everything that can be invented has been invented."
- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner of US patent office, 1899
 
I have better things to do most days than read a bunch of right wingers cherry pick what latest gaffe Biden has made and engage in dishonest intellectual discussion.
I hear you, man. When the board's bottom feeders gather en masse to discuss their brainless topics du jour, this place can become pretty intolerable very quickly. It isn't necessarily the ignorance in the comments themselves but rather the pseudo-vainglorious way they are presented, as if these clowns possessed a complete functioning brain between them.
 
I hear you, man. When the board's bottom feeders gather en masse to discuss their brainless topics du jour, this place can become pretty intolerable very quickly. It isn't necessarily the ignorance in the comments themselves but rather the pseudo-vainglorious way they are presented, as if these clowns possessed a complete functioning between them.
A complete what? Sentence?
 
Anyone see Fetterman last night? What a great conversation he, Biden and Harris could have. They already speak a language only they could understand. Those of you who think Herschel is an idiot should listen to one of your own.
You can recover from a stroke. You can't recover from whatever Herschel has.
 
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Fetterman's stroke is a big deal. Especially when you're starting from a fairly low point intellectually, which he obviously was. Can he recover? Maybe. Hopefully. But it shouldn't be while he's in public office. And you're not a serious voter if you're willing to role the dice on a guy with some cognitive issues AND the absurd positions he stumps for. I won't even mention the fact that Fetterman himself doesn't even remember what positions he stumps for as he was like a deer in headlights in the debate when he said he's always supported fracking when asked about his hardline comments stating, "I will never support fracking, it's a blight on out State." lol.

Furthermore, Fetterman looks like the criminals he continues to support. I mean if you want to be taken seriously, you probably should have more in your wardrobe than a hoodie. Get real.
 
Fetterman's stroke is a big deal. Especially when you're starting from a fairly low point intellectually, which he obviously was. Can he recover? Maybe. Hopefully. But it shouldn't be while he's in public office. And you're not a serious voter if you're willing to role the dice on a guy with some cognitive issues AND the absurd positions he stumps for. I won't even mention the fact that Fetterman himself doesn't even remember what positions he stumps for as he was like a deer in headlights in the debate when he said he's always supported fracking when asked about his hardline comments stating, "I will never support fracking, it's a blight on out State." lol.

Furthermore, Fetterman looks like the criminals he continues to support. I mean if you want to be taken seriously, you probably should have more in your wardrobe than a hoodie. Get real.

 
No, not the same as today. Nowhere near the same.

Repeating flintlock guns that had to be loaded, primed, or their magazines rotated in an upright position may have been state of the art in their time but are nothing like what we have on the market today, and it's no wonder it is the board ignoramus who is suggesting as much.

"Everything that can be invented has been invented."
- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner of US patent office, 1899
Uh, 20 round capacity with a heavy round is a pretty serious weapon but it's a moot point because they had artillery, canons, you know "the bombs bursting in air" and that was covered under the 2nd amendment per "bearing arms."

Oh, and the gun I was referring to wasn't a flintlock. It was a very powerful air-gun.

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The air rifle that Lewis and Clark used on their expedition originated in Austria around 1778. However, air guns had been a prominent hunting weapon in Europe since the 16th century, primarily to hunt small animals. They were an optimal hunting weapon as they didn’t make noise and smoke when shot. The earliest example of a mechanical air gun dates back to 1580 and is currently on display at the Livrustkammaren Museum in Stockholm, Sweden.

In 1778, an Austrian master gunsmith named Bartolomeo Girandoni (1729–1799) capitalized on early air guns and created an air rifle that would later become known as the Girandoni air rifle. The Girandoni rifle had significant innovations that would eventually help categorize it as a military weapon rather than a hunting weapon.

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The Girandoni air rifle was in service with the Austrian army from 1780 to around 1815. The army initially adopted it because it had a high rate of fire, no smoke from propellants, and a low muzzle report."

 
" The guns (designed by Bartholomäus Girardoni, of Vienna) had a magazine capacity of 22 round balls, which could all be fired within 60 seconds."

 
Uh, 20 round capacity with a heavy round is a pretty serious weapon but it's a moot point because they had artillery, canons, you know "the bombs bursting in air" and that was covered under the 2nd amendment per "bearing arms."

Oh, and the gun I was referring to wasn't a flintlock. It was a very powerful air-gun.

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The air rifle that Lewis and Clark used on their expedition originated in Austria around 1778. However, air guns had been a prominent hunting weapon in Europe since the 16th century, primarily to hunt small animals. They were an optimal hunting weapon as they didn’t make noise and smoke when shot. The earliest example of a mechanical air gun dates back to 1580 and is currently on display at the Livrustkammaren Museum in Stockholm, Sweden.

In 1778, an Austrian master gunsmith named Bartolomeo Girandoni (1729–1799) capitalized on early air guns and created an air rifle that would later become known as the Girandoni air rifle. The Girandoni rifle had significant innovations that would eventually help categorize it as a military weapon rather than a hunting weapon.

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The Girandoni air rifle was in service with the Austrian army from 1780 to around 1815. The army initially adopted it because it had a high rate of fire, no smoke from propellants, and a low muzzle report."

Should average citizens have access to hand grenades, rpgs, tanks, nuclear weapons, etc?
 
Should average citizens have access to hand grenades, rpgs, tanks, nuclear weapons, etc?
The Constitution says they should, but not nukes. There should be a discussion on how to actually train and implement and develop a society that can and does actually follow the Constitution, One can see how an armed populace can defeat the most advanced military on earth. Just look at what the Taliban just did.

They couldn't have done that without a lot of basic infantry weapons.
 
Fetterman's stroke is a big deal. Especially when you're starting from a fairly low point intellectually, which he obviously was. Can he recover? Maybe. Hopefully. But it shouldn't be while he's in public office. And you're not a serious voter if you're willing to role the dice on a guy with some cognitive issues AND the absurd positions he stumps for. I won't even mention the fact that Fetterman himself doesn't even remember what positions he stumps for as he was like a deer in headlights in the debate when he said he's always supported fracking when asked about his hardline comments stating, "I will never support fracking, it's a blight on out State." lol.

Furthermore, Fetterman looks like the criminals he continues to support. I mean if you want to be taken seriously, you probably should have more in your wardrobe than a hoodie. Get real.

Fetterman would have been an ideal candidate were it not for his stroke. His appearance has nothing to do with his ability. Suits are overrated to begin with.

But I do question his ability to be a Senator because of said stroke. Much as Dr. Oz is a laughable candidate, you can't downplay a serious ailment like that.
 
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