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my priority and what I'm obsessed with is virtue-signaling, and you happen to indulge more heavily in that pussified practice than most others. I happen to think virtue-signalers suck ass and exacerbate problems instead of helping with them, just so they can get that warm and fuzzy feeling out of it.
Sue me.
You're like the needy idiot who holds up an entire line of traffic that's trying to make the light, just to let someone in order to get that little wave of gratitude.
Interesting take. Is that what it's like? I'll take your word for it.
Hell no. I'm having fun being a white male with a giant peen. But, I'm a huge fan of Moms Mabley.
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The last paragraph in the above poast is the only meaningful part of what you wrote. But I see you couldn't let an opportunity go to once again call them sore losers. Irrelevant comment is irrelevant.
Then make it make sense to me. Why did the woke mob start going after statues that had nothing to do with the Civil War? Why have statues of Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln (and others) been defaced or called into question? To @randman1 's point, it appears it wasn't at all about removing statues that memorialize the Confederacy because of the pain they cause (lmao). It looks more to casual observer that it was simply a free pass to be lawless under the premise of "having certain voices heard".
That's exactly what a handful of poasters here are - you included. But I see you're running from answering my question. And I'm going to assume it's because you have no explanation. Which is exactly what I figured.
@randman1 is 100% correct - it was never about removing Confederate memorials because of the "pain" they caused. It was liberals sponsoring lawlessness under the guise of victimization from racism. Or as I like to call it, a lie.
She/he now identifies as a vegetable.
www.foxnews.com
Woman left All-Trans hockey game with a concussion after being body slammed by biological male
A biological woman suffered a concussion at a hockey game last month after being pushed to the ground by a biological male during a tournament in Wisconsin.
As hard as it may be for you, don't play stupid. Lincoln clearly was on the right side of the slavery issue. Yet, his statues have come under fire and been vandalized, etc. I probably will regret this but can you possibly explain why that would be?
No, I'm not. I don't have any issue with memorials to people like Lincoln or Washington.
After indulging this, I found there to be very little actually happening.
Of course, FoxNews was the first link when I Googled "Abraham Lincoln statue vandalized", followed by the NY Post.
Then, I saw this:
Abraham Lincoln Statue Vandalized by Anonymous Group of ‘Resistors of Colonial Violence'
The statue was part of the “Chicago Monuments Project,” which aimed to discuss 500 public monuments that were offensive, problematic or did not present an equitable view of history.
www.nbcchicago.com
It was defaced by people claiming he was a "colonizer" and "LAND BACK!" So, it was about Native American issues. "In a statement, an anonymous group of "resistors of colonial violence" claimed credit for the vandalism, saying they wanted to memorialize Indigenous Peoples Day and call attention to the public execution of 38 Dakota men during the U.S.-Dakota war of 1862."
Same with this:
Lincoln statue in Chicago’s Edgewater park defaced
Lincoln statue in Chicago’s Edgewater park defaced
The repercussions of forced colonization is just another thing that exists. You can either empathize with them, or get pissed about it. I don't think vandalism is a helpful solution, but they didn't ask me.
The statue in Boston:
I guess this was deemed to be a bit too "subserviant", but it was a unanimous vote to remove it. It says "EMANCIPATION" at the base, but... maybe it's a little... ambiguous.
Statue Of Lincoln With Formerly Enslaved Man At His Feet Is Removed In Boston
"We're pleased to have taken it down this morning," a spokesperson for Mayor Marty Walsh said.
www.npr.org
But, I've yet to find any Marxists or Communists plotting to forcibly remove any memorials.
I'm pretty confident that the Lincoln Memorial is safe for perpetuity.
I also found this, which I think makes SF look foolish, but it's their city.
www.cbsnews.com
San Francisco to remove Washington, Lincoln and Feinstein from school names
The move has been scrutinized for its timing and alleged failure to include community members in making the decision.
www.cbsnews.com
I also found this, which I think makes SF look foolish, but it's their city.
San Francisco to remove Washington, Lincoln and Feinstein from school names
The move has been scrutinized for its timing and alleged failure to include community members in making the decision.
That decision was later put on hold, thank God.
I don’t normally side with GSD, but he’s got a point. A lot of whack jobs aren’t just targeting the Confederate stuff. They’re attacking our Founders, Lincoln, FDR, etc, anyone they deem an “oppressive” white guy. It’s a pretty dumb ideology but it’s gained traction among progressives.
I'd have to title this "The Price of Freedom"
What, too soon?
KMA, you were thinking the same thing.
What, too soon?
KMA, you were thinking the same thing.
I'd have to title this "The Price of Freedom"
What, too soon?
KMA, you were thinking the same thing.
Pretty much.
People joke about Biden having dementia but this woman long preceded him.
I don't fully get it, either. Everyone is probably oppressive to SOMEONE else... except, maybe, Dolly Parton. I have an UBER-liberal friend. She's a few years younger. She's one of the "woke" people that dick needs to confront for answers. She wants Tillman Hall renamed at Clemson. Every bridge, wall, bathroom, and broom closet named for anyone who may have had some kind of tacit association with White Supremacy. That's basically anyone living or dead who is also white!
Even the abolitionists of the 18th and 19 century were racists by today's standards.
The Confederacy, however, was a blatantly in-your-face White Supremacist nation. They weren't playing around with the language and trying to be polite or use euphemisms. Their rhetoric, documents, political and military motivation, and whole reason for existence was for the white race to legally own the black race for eternity. The obscene wealth from the profits of it made people think and do some really crazy shit. Historical figures who are only historical because of their support, allegiance to, and fighting for it, and against the USA (trying to abolish slavery), have no need for public monuments. Robert E. Lee agreed and discouraged monuments to the Confederacy.
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Explain? You were the idiot that said he had nothing to do with Civil War.
No I didn’t. This is you avoiding speaking to the issue I raised. Your liberal brethren Strum and CB34 have already validated my point.
I’m tired of giving you passes just because you’re an old dotard. Keep up or maybe internet isn’t for you.
I have stayed out of the civil war debate that exists herein every few months because I saw it as a bit of chicken/egg at best and also, like so many topics of today, a bit of revisionism/activism thrown in for good measure. The statement above, however, is what I see as a problematic part of a current reframing of things that actually took place. It's the use of the word "created" that is troubling.
There is no doubt that America came into existence where it was ruled by and guided by white, land-owning men, many of which were protestant, some that were catholic, some were Quaker, etc. But, and this is a big but that cannot be ignored, that's how it was at the time in England, France and other parts of Europe from which colonists came. That was the culture at the time and how things were viewed. When's the last time England or France had a black King or Queen? No amount of retrospective viewing can change the reality of the time regardless of how abhorrent we feel about such things today. Without ever getting to the topic of slavery, think about how woman were treated if they weren't royalty. It's just crazy to imagine that those times ever actually existed. Had American been colonized by nations from Africa, it would likely have a much different look and history to it. However, considering that slavery was widely in use on that continent, I'd have to speculate that it would still have been a part of America's past.
So, I have a hard time believing that there exists actual documentation that America was "created" as some sort of utopia for white men to have slave ownership that they couldn't have elsewhere since it was practiced throughout many parts of the world. Rather, it was created as almost all things are: by self-motivated, self-interested individuals, corporations, and governments. Very, very, sadly, slavery was part of those times, but hardly the focus or reason. To buy into this creation position is to buy into the entire revisionist movement that anything and everything associated with America was and is only about slavery and race.
my advice...don't argue with knothead when he's virtue-signaling. It's a Lost Cause. Virtue-signaler gonna virtue-signal. To virtue-signal effectively, one needs an enemy, a bad guy to put down. We are the chosen bad guy.
I even had him admitting in a previous round that slave-owners here were only carrying on a practice that was not yet completely disfavored by the civilized world, and that they were not really evil for doing so but merely wrong by present standards. Within a few posts he was right back to condemning the South as an evil place where evil slave-owners practiced their evil evilness. Because you know, they were evil.
The virtue-signal is strong in this one.
Oh, I forgot to add that anyone who defended the evil South was also evil. I don't mean anyone who defended slavery, just even the South, wherein such evil occurred. .
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Biden administration suing Arizona for federal trespassing but allowing illegals to trespass at will. You just can't make this kind of stuff up.
The notion of judging past events by today's standards is so stupid. The entire world was built on slavery. Almost every aspect of current human civilization exist in part because of slavery in the past. It was a horrible thing but if you can detach yourself from trying to look virtuous, you should be able to recognize that while the US (and the rest of the modern world) was indeed built largely on slave labor, it was built nonetheless. Without slave labor, does the US ever become the freest, most prosperous, most powerful country the earth has ever known? No. And what the US became, has afforded freedom and prosperity for all people rarely equaled across the globe. There are no black businessmen without our past. There are no black politicians without the past. There are no millionaire black athletes. In fact, if Europeans don't travel to the African continent and purchase slaves, there are no black people in America. They'd all still be in Africa, and Africans would possibly still be enslaving other Africans. The fact that people are bitching and crying about it happening is because a society was built that has provided you with that capability. We aren't here on this message board discussing it if the country (or frankly, the human race) never used slave labor. It's probable, that we are significantly behind where we are technologically because of the human race's usage of slave labor. That means we may not have modern medicine. That means we may not have modern engineering. We may not have modern amenities. All the things that all free people enjoy and benefit from today.
Yes, everything that has happened has brought civilization to this point...in spite of the obvious mistakes humanity made along the way. There's no need to glorify and honor those mistakes and injustices going forward. You don't learn from them if you refuse to recognize that you ever made the mistakes.
If the Confederacy had remained intact and allowed to flourish...black people MAY have remained slaves and property up until today. That was their vision.
Fortunately, the South lost. We should have never glorified or honored what it stood for. We should have been ashamed of it, and we would have gotten further, faster. It was a mistake, and a very costly mistake.
like I pointed out before, if it wasn't for slavery we wouldn't be here talking about it. The civilizations that we built on from ancient times only existed as they did because of slavery. It no longer has a place in our world. So be it. The only purpose that beating that dead horse serves is to make the horse-beater feel good about himself. I'd rather do something meaningful and constructive.
yes, if the South had won, black people out in the fields picking cotton would still be a common sight.
Here you are dealing with our mistakes. so that they never happen again. Keep up the good work.
You know, you're right! We need to give a tip-of-the-cap to our ancestors and their brilliant ideas of forcibly using "inferior" human beings as property in order to have all the great stuff we have now! Thank you! Thanks to all of those people who were innovative enough to realize that having other human beings- kidnapped against their will- do all the work and not pay them-- and buy and sell them as property, too-- would advance our species, culture and society so that a few people could be obscenely wealthy, while others would live in poverty. Yay Humans!yes, if the South had won, black people out in the fields picking cotton would still be a common sight.
Here you are dealing with our mistakes. so that they never happen again. Keep up the good work.
I thought Biden was a little off his rocker but I was wrong. He's just plain fvcking nuts.
It's crazy that they willingly break the law in allowing the invasion. But it's beyond insanity and common criminality to use the law or otherwise attempt to interfere with those who would try to stem the flow. It's treasonous.
we need to tip our caps, but we need to tip them to those who did so much for us in their involuntary servitude. The reality is we DO owe them a debt of gratitude; instead of wearing out that dead horse, you should try allowing them to be recognized as heroes and celebrate their role in making us what we are today instead of making it all about you.
What we need to do is deal with reality, and not what lunacy makes you feel good about yourself.
What "them" are you talking about???
Your "reality" is yours, and yours only. JUst as my reality is mine. A collective reality is a much more subjective thing. In fact, it's so subjective that I would hesitate to even refer to it AS "reality."
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