OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[carolinablue34]

am I supposed to be impressed by your major, or by what you express? I think the latter. And what you express isn't often a history lesson but rather negativity..

On the other hand, that's pretty cool that you majored in history. I love history myself. Any particular era?

The last century of the Roman Republic has always been fascinating to me.

In more contemporary eras, I'm keen on the United States, specifically the WW2 era and beyond. For Europe, I like studying the long 19th century. Been doing a lot of digging into the Russian Empire lately due to the ongoing war.

How about yourself?

 

[gunslingerdick]

@gunslingerdick

 

[gunslingerdick]

Except there's really nothing noble about the Confederacy. Nice logical fallacy by the way. If I think they're racist, racism must dominate my thoughts.

To make my position clear, I'm not against Confederate cemeteries or markers in that way. They were American soldiers who regrettably lost their lives in a terrible conflict. There's nothing wrong with honoring that aspect of it.

But the statues are a different story. Always have been. They're a symbol of the South's simultaneous inability to let go of the fact they lost and an assertion they were the moral victors. They were created as a way to resist change and the legal equality between white people and black people. And sorry, but Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, Jeb Stuart, and the like, they betrayed this country and fought for a neo-medieval racial caste system. They don't even deserve sign posts much less statues.

And of course, I'm going to receive every excuse in the book and every whataboutism I usually get from from Confederate apologists. War isn't something that usually has a 'good' side and a 'bad' side. But there are wars where it is absolutely necessary one side wins. This was one of them and that side being the Union.

 

[Archer2]

Few things in this world are more comical than a bunch of crackers rebel yelling on a message board.

@gunslingerdick
@nctransplant
@Archer2
@bluetoe

I would choose the company and character of those three to the company of you, @carolinablue34 , @blazers, and @strummingram any day.

 

[strummingram]

yeah, that Vietnam War Memorial is also just dumb then, right? I mean we lost, didn't we? Who the hell thought this was a good idea? Sure as hell wasn't you or strummer, I guess.

I can't explain why the dumb thing means so much to so many of us.

Hero worship added most of the names to that list.

If you want to compare the legitimacy of memorials like that to the ones that were brought down in Richmond and other parts of the South, by all means, do it. It sends your argument to the sea floor with the Titanic.

 

[strummingram]

Few things in this world are more comical than a bunch of crackers rebel yelling on a message board.

@gunslingerdick
@nctransplant
@Archer2
@bluetoe

A bunch of old, southern white guys providing alleged testimonials for black people who never dared mentioned their dislike for Confederate worship to the white people they worked for 50 years ago, or more. There's all the proof you need that they really, secretly, liked all of them.


They were too busy enjoying the benefits of segregation.

 

[strummingram]

Yea that’s my point exactly. Back then it just wasn’t a big deal. The waitress learned to deal with as did we. I didn’t like seeing the stuff nor did my mom. But we just ignored it and walked by. Hash brown casserole has a way of making you forget.

It wasn't a big deal for you. You don't know what that waitress actually felt about it and she certainly wasn't going to say anything to you and your family, and risk her job. We don't really know. I'm sure she felt the oppression of Jim Crow and segregation. Whether she voiced it to you and your family at a restaurant is irrelevant. And, her not showing disdain is still not an excuse, or some validation that it was a good idea to have a bunch of Confederate memorials which glorified white supremacy and the destruction of the United States. It's just sore loser BS from a generation of white people that couldn't get past what they'd done, or what their actions actually caused to their culture and society, and forced on another race of people. And that went on for generation after generation, after the war had freed them... on paper.

That anecdotal story about the cracker barrel doesn't really mean anything.

 

[bleeduncblue]

if i never eat Crapper Barrel again that will be fine by me.

 

[strummingram]

and there he goes, off into the Sea of Irrelevance, fighting the good fight.

That pretty much sums up this board- a little pond in the Sea of Irrelevance. I'm not fighting any fight. I just offered an update on the most recent casualty of the Lost Cause and waited for you to reveal that it still bothers you. It took about... 20 minutes, I'll have to go and look.

 

[strummingram]

I would choose the company and character of those three to the company of you, @carolinablue34 , @blazers, and @strummingram any day.

And, yet, here you are, choosing the opposite EVERY day!

 

[gunslingerdick]

It wasn't a big deal for you. You don't know what that waitress actually felt about it and she certainly wasn't going to say anything to you and your family, and risk her job. We don't really know. I'm sure she felt the oppression of Jim Crow and segregation. Whether she voiced it to you and your family at a restaurant is irrelevant. And, her not showing disdain is still not an excuse, or some validation that it was a good idea to have a bunch of Confederate memorials which glorified white supremacy and the destruction of the United States. It's just sore loser BS from a generation of white people that couldn't get passed what they done, or with their actions actually caused to their culture and society, and forced on another race of people. And that went on for generation after generation, after the war had freed them... on paper.

That anecdotal story about the cracker barrel doesn't really mean anything.

Keep silencing it in public and you only make it more prevalent in private. But at least you can feel good about yourself for calling them sore losers. Say it again for me. And then again.

 

[gunslingerdick]

That pretty much sums up this board- a little pond in the Sea of Irrelevance. I'm not fighting any fight. I just offered an update on the most recent casualty of the Lost Cause and waited for you to reveal that it still bothers you. It took about... 20 minutes, I'll have to go and look.

Thanks for keeping us in the loop!

 

[strummingram]

Keep silencing it in public and you only make it more prevalent in private. But at least you can feel good about yourself for calling them sore losers. Say it again for me. And then again.

LOL... imagine that! Let's normalize, encourage, even glorify, it in public! What could possibly go wrong? It's not even being silenced in public. The glorification of it through monuments is dead. And, the cities, towns and states are just finally deciding they don't want to be associated with promoting what the Confederacy actually stood for and still stands for. White people will always believe they're being maligned and victimized, and will continue to demonstrate with their racist symbols. Maybe one day they will realize that their skin color doesn't make them "pure" or superior at all.

That doesn't make me feel good or bad, it's just reality.

 

[gunslingerdick]

LOL... imagine that! Let's normalize, encourage, even glorify, it in public! What could possibly go wrong? It's not even being silenced in public. The glorification of it through monuments is dead. And, the cities, towns and states are just finally deciding they don't want to be associated with promoting what the Confederacy actually stood for and still stands for. White people will always believe they're being maligned and victimized, and will continue to demonstrate with their racist symbols. Maybe one day they will realize that their skin color doesn't make them "pure" or superior at all.

That doesn't make me feel good or bad, it's just reality.

Ok. I'm just telling you that the more you attempt to "make things better", you're only making them worse. It's human nature. But you're the expert here. I'm only telling you what you already know.

 

[strummingram]

Ok. I'm just telling you that the more you attempt to "make things better", you're only making them worse. It's human nature. But you're the expert here. I'm only telling you what you already know.

I'm not attempting to make anything do anything. I'm just like you. I'm commenting on what is happening as it happens, as I see it. I'm just a lazy-ass old white guy typing words on a sports message board with a bunch of other old white guys (mostly old). Not making a difference at all.

If it's human nature to make things worse by attempting to make them better, I don't know that that's always the case.

 

[randman1]

LOL... imagine that! Let's normalize, encourage, even glorify, it in public! What could possibly go wrong? It's not even being silenced in public. The glorification of it through monuments is dead. And, the cities, towns and states are just finally deciding they don't want to be associated with promoting what the Confederacy actually stood for and still stands for. White people will always believe they're being maligned and victimized, and will continue to demonstrate with their racist symbols. Maybe one day they will realize that their skin color doesn't make them "pure" or superior at all.

That doesn't make me feel good or bad, it's just reality.

How stupid can you get? Look, tearing down the statues was never about racism. Nor the Confederacy. Nor the South. That's why they moved on to tearing down statues of others who were not part of the Confederacy.

Surely you can figure this out?

 

[strummingram]

How stupid can you get? Look, tearing down the statues was never about racism. Nor the Confederacy. Nor the South. That's why they moved on to tearing down statues of others who were not part of the Confederacy.

Surely you can figure this out?

For the record... I think statues are creepy AF. I don't care who they're intended to memorialize. But, people seem to enjoy them, so I manage to persevere.

But, to your comment(s)... I have no idea what your paranoid brain is trying to convey. To me, you're like the point on a compass that says "stay as far away as possible from thinking or sounding like that mf'er."

 

[randman1]

For the record... I think statues are creepy AF. I don't care who they're intended to memorialize. But, people seem to enjoy them, so I manage to persevere.

But, to your comment(s)... I have no idea what your paranoid brain is trying to convey. To me, you're like the point on a compass that says "stay as far away as possible from thinking or sounding like that mf'er."

If it was about the Confederacy, why tear down statues of Lincoln?

Anyone who understands Marxism, aka communism, or in today's parlance, progressives, knows why. They have always advocated removing history, all traditions and as they say, making the present define the past; erasing history and replacing it with whatever new narrative the Party wants.

It's communist orthodoxy.

 

[strummingram]

If it was about the Confederacy, why tear down statues of Lincoln?

Anyone who understands Marxism, aka communism, or in today's parlance, progressives, knows why. They have always advocated removing history, all traditions and as they say, making the present define the past; erasing history and replacing it with whatever new narrative the Party wants.

It's communist orthodoxy.

Oh, that's it. Communism and Marxism... somehow succeeding in the biggest cash register in human history. I keep forgetting.




Students in college athletics are being paid millions of dollars to throw a ball around... and you're afraid of Communism. You're special! Don't let anyone tell you that you're not!

 

[heelmanwilm]

Well I like Cracker Barrel. Those golf tee puzzles can gft though

 

[heelmanwilm]

If it was about the Confederacy, why tear down statues of Lincoln?

Anyone who understands Marxism, aka communism, or in today's parlance, progressives, knows why. They have always advocated removing history, all traditions and as they say, making the present define the past; erasing history and replacing it with whatever new narrative the Party wants.

It's communist orthodoxy.

Imagine that, some dipshit has to go there with the “removing history” dum fuk claim and its
SURPRISE!…..randman. Statues aren’t history dumbass. Removing statues doesn’t affect history one fuking bit. Idiot

 

[heelmanwilm]

I forgot who sadam Hussein was! They tore down his statue and his history disappeared!!

 

[randman1]

Imagine that, some dipshit has to go there with the “removing history” dum fuk claim and its
SURPRISE!…..randman. Statues aren’t history dumbass. Removing statues doesn’t affect history one fuking bit. Idiot

Statues are not part of history or do not reflect a part of history? Really? Rewriting history to fit the narrative is classic communism. The Soviets did this. Mao did too. Pol Pot, and all of them.

And of course, they are also trying to rewrite the textbooks with lies like the 1619 project.

Slavery did not originate here. Nor was it what the nation was founded on. Nor was slavery initially based on race. Nor were Europeans the ones who came up with the African slave trade although they were the ones that ended it.

African slavery originated among African rulers who held their wealth in slaves rather than titled land, and who sold their slaves for profit.

The Muslim empires were the chief non-African buyers, but when Europe became stronger, they took over some of that for awhile until there was an outcry from Christians that resulted in banning of the slave trade and eventually slavery itself.

That's real history.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Statues are not part of history or do not reflect a part of history? Really? Rewriting history to fit the narrative is classic communism. The Soviets did this. Mao did too. Pol Pot, and all of them.

And of course, they are also trying to rewrite the textbooks with lies like the 1619 project.

Slavery did not originate here. Nor was it what the nation was founded on. Nor was slavery initially based on race. Nor were Europeans the ones who came up with the African slave trade although they were the ones that ended it.

African slavery originated among African rulers who held their wealth in slaves rather than titled land, and who sold their slaves for profit.

The Muslim empires were the chief non-African buyers, but when Europe became stronger, they took over some of that for awhile until there was an outcry from Christians that resulted in banning of the slave trade and eventually slavery itself.

That's real history.

We’ll never know with all the statues removed

 

[Heels Noir]

They have always advocated removing history, all traditions and as they say, making the present define the past; erasing history and replacing it with whatever new narrative the Party wants.

If someone wasn't paying close attention they might think you're talking about the Republican Party and the January 6 insurrectionists and how they tried to lay waste to the history of democratic elections in America and the tradition of a peaceful transfer of power.

 

[randman1]

If someone wasn't paying close attention they might think you're talking about the January 6 insurrectionists and how they tried to lay waste to the history of democratic elections in America and the tradition of peaceful transfer of power.

If someone is paying attention, you sound like a wacko and an idiot. No reasonable person actually thinks the protests of Jan 6th were an insurrection or an attempt at one regardless of what they claim. Just like everyone knows you cannot change your biological gender and that men cannot have babies.

If you want to parade their lies, at least be honest with yourself. You know they are lies.

 

[randman1]

All the proof you need: The left wants to steal your guns

Leftist liberty deniers parrot a version of

www.americanthinker.com

 

[strummingram]

Statues are not part of history or do not reflect a part of history? Really? Rewriting history to fit the narrative is classic communism. The Soviets did this. Mao did too. Pol Pot, and all of them.

And of course, they are also trying to rewrite the textbooks with lies like the 1619 project.

Slavery did not originate here. Nor was it what the nation was founded on. Nor was slavery initially based on race. Nor were Europeans the ones who came up with the African slave trade although they were the ones that ended it.

African slavery originated among African rulers who held their wealth in slaves rather than titled land, and who sold their slaves for profit.

The Muslim empires were the chief non-African buyers, but when Europe became stronger, they took over some of that for awhile until there was an outcry from Christians that resulted in banning of the slave trade and eventually slavery itself.

That's real history.

Thank God for the white people that ended slavery LOL

 

[strummingram]

I'm just glad to see the Confederacy talk managed to awaken the nut case from his crypt.

 

[bluetoe]

That pretty much sums up this board- a little pond in the Sea of Irrelevance. I'm not fighting any fight. I just offered an update on the most recent casualty of the Lost Cause and waited for you to reveal that it still bothers you. It took about... 20 minutes, I'll have to go and look.

just ask @Heels Noir to check his logbook.

As to the gist of your post, don't even try it. You weren't baiting me. Your virtue-signaling ass couldn't wait to gloat over the completely ineffectual removal of a Confederate statue, just as I admittedly try to never miss a chance to point out the idiocy of doing so.

 

[heelmanwilm]

If someone is paying attention, you sound like a wacko and an idiot. No reasonable person actually thinks the protests of Jan 6th were an insurrection or an attempt at one regardless of what they claim. Just like everyone knows you cannot change your biological gender and that men cannot have babies.

If you want to parade their lies, at least be honest with yourself. You know they are lies.

Oh so you’re speaking for “reasonable persons”? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

The guy that claims hospitals are intentionally murdering Covid patients and that millions have died from the vaxx? Oh and that the Dutch have made it illegal to get vaxxed? And that dems are hacking thermostats and turning off people’s ac? Yea please give us some more “reason”

 

[strummingram]

just ask @Heels Noir to check his logbook.

As to the gist of your post, don't even try it. You weren't baiting me. Your virtue-signaling ass couldn't wait to gloat over the completely ineffectual removal of a Confederate statue, just as I admittedly try to never miss a chance to point out the idiocy of doing so.

I didn't try it. I succeeded at it, convincingly.

 

[strummingram]

Gasoline is it $2.59 a gallon at the TD Express

 

[heelmanwilm]

Thank God for the white people that ended slavery

The christian ones especially. Cause we know no christians had slaves.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Gasoline is it $2.59 a gallon at the TD Express

That sumbitch biden

 

[strummingram]

The christian ones especially. Cause we know no christians had slaves.

Slaves had slaves first. Slaves made it okay to have slaves. That's real history.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Slaves had slaves first. Slaves made it okay to have slaves. That's real history.

Black slaves were responsible for slavery. All uppity and shit. Hitting on white girls. Playing jazz music and smoking devil lettuce. No wonder god cursed them.

 

[Heels Noir]

just ask @Heels Noir to check his logbook.

Who needs a logbook? You're here every minute of every day except whenever reruns of The Golden Girls are on TV or it's time to ponder the benefits of actually getting a life.

 

[bluetoe]

Hero worship added most of the names to that list.

If you want to compare the legitimacy of memorials like that to the ones that were brought down in Richmond and other parts of the South, by all means, do it. It sends your argument to the sea floor with the Titanic.

I did compare; as I pointed out they are all memorial, and my argument is floating just fine on your Sea of Irrelevancy. Not sure what that might be you see sinking inside that crazy noggin of yours other than any suggestion that memorials to the dead in a lost cause are just dumb. I disagree. Full speed ahead.

No idea what your first line means but I'm sure you believe there's a point in it somewhere.

 

[tarheel0910]

I'm just glad to see the Confederacy talk managed to awaken the nut case from his crypt.

Not me. That happing is almost as bad as slavery.