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That was before I learned that they're diverting funds from public schools.
It's not unreasonable. It's unreasonable when you give private schools public money and still allow them to be selective. Public education in this country entirely depends on the state, district, county, etc. You get what you put into it. That is what needs to be emphasized here. And it is quite literally, the only option for a lot of people. A $7000 voucher doesn't change that.
Change the nature of funding the schools. Increase teacher pay, safety, provide affordable lunches, make them better institutions. But don't rob them. I don't give a shit if it's another 'educational system'. It's private, exclusive, and beyond oversight. It's not a system designed to help poor/disadvantaged kids. Nor will this law change that.
I know you like to troll but if you genuinely believe this you're an idiot. I'm not a f**king communist for supporting public education. Pull your head out of your ass.
I DO want it to improve. That's the whole reason I don't believe this law is a good idea. Public education will improve if we fund it correctly. If we value it. If we value our teachers, allow them to teach, and apply solid standards in learning. Allow them to met out discipline.
If someone is gifted, wonderful. We have institutions to support that, who also give help with tuition. I wouldn't suggest holding them down. If a family can afford a private school, wonderful. They have that choice and have always had that choice. But you talk about the majority. You are hurting the majority by taking money away from their publicly funded education.
Don't make this into a bogus argument about 'haves and have nots'. By law we require parents to educate their children. If that's the case, the least we owe them as a society is a halfway decent public school.
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I will allow that there are conservatives who want to see a certain conformity, but they are relatively few in number and not relevant at this time.
On the other hand we do NOT have it backwards that the demlibs are all about elevating the lowly and holding back the fortunate so that the mass created is of like status. THERE'S your forced conformity.
In general, conservatives want to let the cream rise to the top without the burden of dragging the anchors along with them. In other words, the demlibs compress the spectrum into sameness while conservatives want to let it expand into freedom.
You'll say that that's uncaring and unfair, and probably hogwash. While I'm sure you've washed your share of hogs, you're wrong. What's important is that OPPORTUNITY is provided for all who want to fight for (or fall into) a better life and you won't find many conservatives who won't get behind a fighter of any stripe, even the ones who are more successful than us. We are not about holding people back out of some misguided notion of fairness that is anything but fair.
what a great idea. Seems like I've heard it before.
so what if it's the only option for a lot of people? They still have that as an option, so what's the problem other than your resentment that someone might be more fortunate than someone else. This is you holding people back for the sake of those who aren't as lucky, and then denying that you're doing it. That's kind of your well-known M.O., BTW.
Are you UNC-CH educated? If you had applied and gotten turned down, would you have protested their ability to choose to turn you down? Of course no reasonable person would, and the fact that public money is involved in the Iowa case matters no more than it does with UNC. There's no reason to shame the right of a learning institution to choose its students. Students not chosen are not deprived of what they already had.
It seems to me that the money might just be a wash, but TBH that's over my head. And it's over yours, so we might as well just see how this all pans out. I think there's gonna be some nuggets.
Later, comrade.
Oh shit, really? I wouldn't want that. If only there was a choice...
I didn't really read all the details. I was just making assumptions based on what others posted. I'm not really a fan if it's set up the way you describe it. I think some kind of tax deduction or something along those lines would be better than shifting public funding to private schools.
Who said it was free?
Thanks for confirming it will help bring down cost for the lower and middle class.
Bringing down the cost of something expensive (esp without free transpo) doesn't make it affordable.
You're just looking at the extremes. Not every private school is ridiculously expensive. There's multiple private schools near me that are less than $10k. A couple of them are around $5k.
" That was before I learned that they're diverting funds from public schools."
Except they are not. They are diverting students from public schools but the funds available per student actually increase for public schools because they are offering less per student for the private vouchers than the costs per student at public schools.
As far s halfway decent public schools, how you gonna do that when sexual and gender grooming are the agenda along with political brainwashing via CRT and DEI.
Pfizer guy off the record discussed their plans to develop/evolve new Covid variants so they can produce vaccines and make more money.
Don't believe it? Straight from the horse's mouth.
www.projectveritas.com
Don't believe it? Straight from the horse's mouth.
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Investigating and exposing corruption in both public and private institutions.
300,000 fake ballots.
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Good Lord, if this is true…Pfizer guy off the record discussed their plans to develop/evolve new Covid variants so they can produce vaccines and make more money.
Don't believe it? Straight from the horse's mouth.
Pfizer Executive: ‘Mutate’ COVID via ‘Directed Evolution’ for Company to Continue Profiting Off of Vaccines … ‘COVID is Going to be a Cash Cow for Us’ … ‘Don’t Tell Anyone’ | Project Veritas
Investigating and exposing corruption in both public and private institutions.
Yeah, I think it's a bit of a regional thing as blacks, at least younger blacks, up here tend to be less religious, more accepting of LGBTQ, and actually do agree with most of the liberal agenda. I agree that older blacks, especially those not in the northeast or west coast, should be voting conservative if they actually followed what they support. It's wild that Joe Biden can come in and land like 60% of the black vote in South Carolina.
I'd argue both parties have done a good job duping segments of the population to support them even though it goes against what they either believe or what benefits them. Poor, uneducated white people should be Democrats. The policies that they support would directly benefit that subset of people, yet they vote Republican because the party has made them believe that they support "good, christian values and guns." And hell, maybe I'm just in the minority in that I vote with my wallet more than anything else but the Republicans have done a damn good job in making poor whites believe they care about them when they don't, at all.
Dems the same way in your example above with blacks in the south. It's crazy that they're basically still riding the Civil Rights train from the 60s and 70s.
I think 2024 will be interesting if it's Desantis (I think Trump fatigue is too high to win a national election but I could be wrong). I know where I live in NJ is becoming much more red than it was even 10 years ago. There are a lot of Republicans up here who are much more moderate and got turned off by Trump in 2020 but voted red in 2022 (my Congressman was flipped blue to red easily). If Desantis can make himself seem like the moderate candidate (which, I don't know if he can, will, or even wants to) then I get the feeling he'll poll very well in some states that are usually blue and win easily. If he wants to continue to be very far right then he'll win, he will just likely have to sweat it out more than he'll want to.
Which is why I think republicans should do a better job with their immigration policy. If they can come up with something comprehensive (which is what most voters want, not a dumb wall or open borders), then they could just reap those benefits for generations. And with the Hispanic population continuing to grow it will be better than what democrats get from the civil rights movement. But most of these politicians want to play checkers instead of chess, so they can't get past the fringe elements.
The problem with that type of approach is that they (both sides) are 98% focused on the next election cycle and 2% on the next ten. It results in a bunch of posturing and political stunts rather than any true comprehensive policy implementation.
Yeah, was coming to post something similar. These parties are so (incorrectly) focused on what will win/lose them voters today that they don't care about tomorrow.
I also think Republicans and Democrats are so afraid that compromising on immigration would lose their base. Any candidate who supports this would get hammered in their primary by any far right candidate who says "wall or nothing".
Yup. The way it's set up now is an impossible balancing act. Candidates have to be far right (R) or far left (D) to win their primary, but would then be best served being closer to moderate than their opponent in the general election, and it's tough to walk back stances/policies declared in the primary.
What do you mean by "they support", what issues are you referring to? Sure they might be more conservative on gender/sex issues but there are TONS of Dems of all color that are conservative on that topic, it just isn't a driver voting-wise.
For example do you believe older blacks want less spending on healthcare? Or fewer voting rights? Or less focus on affordable housing? Gun control? Reproductive rights (abortion)?
What do most voters want regarding immigration? From where I sit and my experiences, most voters want what we used to have - a system that catches and punishes those caught coming into the country illegally and citizenship for those that come the right way. Most voters want us to enforce our current immigration laws. Most voters don't give a shit about any root causes. Most voters don't want amnesty. Most voters want our immigration to look like it did 20-25 years ago.
You work with AA folks of all socio-economic status and educational status?
what about the liberal Agenda do the black communities you've worked with oppose?
Voting rights is a huge deal among polls (exit and otherwise) of black voters. But your life's work with black voters says otherwise?
Yes.
They are largely family people that just want to work, live and be left alone and feel safe. They don't like the hyperfocus on race, gender and DEI like liberals think they do. It's as nauseating to them as it is to normal people of other races. They don't like out of control spending. They hate the increase in prices of gas, groceries, etc. (please, spare me the excuses - "transitory", "supply chain", "lower inflation than the rest of the world". They don't like the war on Christianity. They don't like the war on law enforcement and calls to defund the police. They don't give a shit about Ukraine. They don't care one iota about January 6. They do care about what their kids are being exposed to at school. They vote in person.
No one is having their voting rights taken away. It doesn't matter how many times you and other insane liberals say it. it's still a lie.
Quick googling for iowa says.
- $7,330 is the average tuition among all K-12 private schools in Iowa.
- $3,870 is the average cost of tuition at private elementary schools.
- $10,800 is the average cost of tuition at secondary schools.
This is interesting though:
How will that affect funding to public schools?
Public schools would lose out on the per-pupil funding for any students who chooses to attend a private school. School districts, though, would get roughly $1,200 in state funding for each student who lives in the district but attends a private school, regardless of whether the student is a recent transfer or has always attended private school.
That’s new funding Reynolds and supporters argue could benefit some districts. But for districts with declining enrollment who lose a student to private school, it would be a net loss of $6,385 per student. While districts would get the estimated $1,205, they also lose the $7,590 state aid per pupil. So for every student who leaves, a district would need five or six already in private schools to make it a wash.
Why do they need more money than the equivalent of the per pupil money they're getting? In other words, yes, they'd be getting less money but they would be serving less kids, therefore realizing the same amount to serve each kid.
The only way it matters is if the public schools have managed their funding poorly.
Most public schools are poor managers of money.
All voters are worried about the economy (please spare me the part where you think black voters feel repubs are better for economy than dems). But black voters in particular have student debt, healthcare affordability and housing affordability high on their list though, which are more dem-leaning.
Ummm police reform is a huge issue in exit polls of black voters.
Thanks for describing the average american voter. We're talking specifically about black voters here.
What about AP Afam among Blacks on Florida?
What about banning of popular books in the name of CRT canceling?
Okay mr "i know black folks", now we know you're just talking out of your ass. Voting in person has nothing to do with whether you oppose the "liberal agenda" other than the topic of election security. We do know where most black people stand on the topic of voter rights in general (well to the left).
The above make your credibility on this topic pretty weak. Is this really your life's work?
My credibility on this topic is beyond reproach. I have experience with AA culture professionally and personally. You read about it on Huffington Post in your cubicle on your lunch break. If you ever make it to my level of experience, I'll entertain your thoughts. Until then, I'll continue to consider you an indoctrinated drone who lacks any kind of independent thought.
You know for a brief period of time, we had a rational discussion about politics. On OOTB no less.
@dadika13 @pooponduke @tarheel0910 @Hark_The_Sound_2010
Props to you guys.
@dadika13 @pooponduke @tarheel0910 @Hark_The_Sound_2010
Props to you guys.
I notice you're not mentioned with the others. Good call.
More on Pfizer.
ehden.substack.com
MONKEY BUSINESS
How BioNTech & Pfizer faked their pre-clinical studies, lied when they claimed their "vaccine" provides 8 times better protection than natural immunity, and how no one said a word about it.
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I don't really see a huge deal here. Unless I'm misreading, they aren't talking about creating a mutation and then releasing it so that they can sell the vaccine that they have developed for it. They are assuming that the virus will continue to mutate out in the world on its own, so they are mutating viruses to be kept strictly in-house for the purpose of preemptively developing a vaccine that will be needed when the time comes.
That's really what any company's R&D would do.
The question is whether it's a great idea to develop mutations that might somehow get leaked out into the world. I'm not for taking that chance, but I presume that would be potentially much less of a problem than the original leak has been. And the other side of the argument is that it would be a great idea to have vaccines already on hand
You missed quoting the best part of my comment. Here, I'll re-poast it for you.
Right, that's what I was saying with my checkers vs chess comment. I wonder if maybe the biggest problem at this point is the primaries and not the actual general election. Like @Hark_The_Sound_2010 mentioned, these guys start off trying to please the far side of their base and then have trouble walking it back for the general. Not really sure how you could fix that without changing these politicians mindset.
