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Quick googling for iowa says.
  • $7,330 is the average tuition among all K-12 private schools in Iowa.
  • $3,870 is the average cost of tuition at private elementary schools.
  • $10,800 is the average cost of tuition at secondary schools
So you did a quick Google search and found out I was right and hurt part of your argument. Thanks I guess.

Transpo is a big deal. Not many private schools offer bussing.
So now the problem isn't tuition, it's a bus or car. Because clearly none of those poor people can find a way to get to school. That would be so great of a hurdle we should just scrap the whole thing.

This is interesting though:

How will that affect funding to public schools?

Public schools would lose out on the per-pupil funding for any students who chooses to attend a private school. School districts, though, would get roughly $1,200 in state funding for each student who lives in the district but attends a private school, regardless of whether the student is a recent transfer or has always attended private school.

That’s new funding Reynolds and supporters argue could benefit some districts. But for districts with declining enrollment who lose a student to private school, it would be a net loss of $6,385 per student. While districts would get the estimated $1,205, they also lose the $7,590 state aid per pupil. So for every student who leaves, a district would need five or six already in private schools to make it a wash
I've already said that I wasn't in favor of taking money from public schools. You wasted your time with another Google search. Hopefully that was a quick one too.
 
I don't really see a huge deal here. Unless I'm misreading, they aren't talking about creating a mutation and then releasing it so that they can sell the vaccine that they have developed for it. They are assuming that the virus will continue to mutate out in the world on its own, so they are mutating viruses to be kept strictly in-house for the purpose of preemptively developing a vaccine that will be needed when the time comes.
That's really what any company's R&D would do.

The question is whether it's a great idea to develop mutations that might somehow get leaked out into the world. I'm not for taking that chance, but I presume that would be potentially much less of a problem than the original leak has been. And the other side of the argument is that it would be a great idea to have vaccines already on hand
Nah. They are talking about directing the evolution of Covid to sell a vaccine. Only way that happens if they release it as well. Note the comments on how that's what happened in Wuhan. Not explicit comments but it's pretty clear.
Hey, the government did it. Why can't we!
 
Can someone explain to me what Queer theory has to do with black history?

“What’s one of the lessons about? Queer theory. Who would say that an important part of black history is queer theory?” DeSantis asked. “That is somebody pushing an agenda on our kids.”

“When you try to use black history to shoehorn in queer theory, you are clearly trying to use that for political purposes,” he added."

 
I've already said that I wasn't in favor of taking money from public schools. You wasted your time with another Google search. Hopefully that was a quick one too.
I'm not trying to one-up you, just adding food for thought. There's debate as to whether it takes much from the pub schools, the snippet i posted shows it isn't clear cut. If you already knew what was in that blurb then gfy, if you didn't, then also gfy.
 
"We’ve already learned that the vast majority of the Antifa insurrectionists who terrorized Atlanta over the weekend — and have occupied the future site of a public safety training facility for months — hailed from nowhere near Atlanta, but the more we learn about the Antifa criminals who attacked cops and did damage all over downtown Atlanta, we realize that these aren’t oppressed minorities rising up against the system."

 
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Ike was right.

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Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present."
And Trump was the only president since Ike to successfully, even if for one term, to undermine the nefarious goals of CIA and the Military Industrial Complex on behalf of the American people.

 
Nah. They are talking about directing the evolution of Covid to sell a vaccine. Only way that happens if they release it as well. Note the comments on how that's what happened in Wuhan. Not explicit comments but it's pretty clear.
Hey, the government did it. Why can't we!
" “You have to be very controlled to make sure that this virus [COVID] that you mutate doesn’t create something that just goes everywhere. Which, I suspect, is the way that the virus started in Wuhan, to be honest. It makes no sense that this virus popped out of nowhere. It’s bullsh*t,” he said. "

I believe what is being said is that the virus leaked at Wuhan (as opposed to 'popping out of nowhere'), and they want to make sure that mistake is not repeated. The virus itself, according to another passage, is mutated and propagated in-house using monkeys. No need to release it in order to create a mutation, which is true. With the mutation in hand, a vaccine can be developed. Then when the Covid viruses outside mutate on their own, Pfizer will have already created a vaccine, ahead of the competition.

The only problem I see is the danger of a leak, and even that isn't the worst thing that could happen, since the virus will apparently eventually mutate on its own anyway. The up side, supposedly for us and definitely for Pfizer, is that when that happens, they'll be ready and waiting at the vaccine store to fix us up.

This article seems to be implying things not really taking place, and demonizing Pfizer for what are actually just good business practices. In other words it's a tad sensationalized, at least as I see it.
 
Four people who debated a topic rationally, calmly and without getting unnecessarily pissed off? Yeah, small wonder you weren’t mentioned.
I didn't say it was any wonder I wasn't mentioned. I said it wasn't any wonder I wasn't mentioned by you, and that I feel complimented that you left me off your list. I previously pointed out that you rightfully left yourself off such a list of reasonable posters.

Why are you getting so unreasonably pissed off? I was just telling you you did a good job leaving yourself off the list of reasonable posters. Can't you take a compliment?
 
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Voting rights is a huge deal among polls (exit and otherwise) of black voters. But your life's work with black voters says otherwise?
This is so bogus. Common sense tells us that one could poll any group of black people and odds would be good that voter rights would be mentioned as a concern and an issue. What the hell else would you expect when the dems hammer home relentlessly that republicans are trying to take their voting rights away, when that of course is complete bullshit.

Voting rights is an area of sensitivity for blacks, and one would expect them to react negatively and overreact to the suggestion that their voting rights are threatened. On the other hand, if one is dealing with black people on a more personal level, they very well might find that these black people don't see their right to vote being threatened at all. Voting rights falls into that us vs. them category that dems rely on blowing up and exploiting.

Sexual preferences and attitudes, on the other hand, is not a matter of their rights being threatened, it's just their preference to generally discard any suggested affinity for sexual weirdness. That's just the way they feel. I can relate.
 
I didn't say it was any wonder I wasn't mentioned. I said it wasn't any wonder I wasn't mentioned by you, and that I feel complimented that you left me off your list. I previously pointed out that you rightfully left yourself off such a list of reasonable posters.

Why are you getting so unreasonably pissed off? I was just telling you you did a good job leaving yourself off the list of reasonable posters. Can't you take a compliment?

I was purely referencing the debate in question. Would have been pretty narcissistic to include myself in a conversation I wasn't a part of lol. A conversation you, yourself were also not a part of.
 
" “You have to be very controlled to make sure that this virus [COVID] that you mutate doesn’t create something that just goes everywhere. Which, I suspect, is the way that the virus started in Wuhan, to be honest. It makes no sense that this virus popped out of nowhere. It’s bullsh*t,” he said. "

I believe what is being said is that the virus leaked at Wuhan (as opposed to 'popping out of nowhere'), and they want to make sure that mistake is not repeated. The virus itself, according to another passage, is mutated and propagated in-house using monkeys. No need to release it in order to create a mutation, which is true. With the mutation in hand, a vaccine can be developed. Then when the Covid viruses outside mutate on their own, Pfizer will have already created a vaccine, ahead of the competition.

The only problem I see is the danger of a leak, and even that isn't the worst thing that could happen, since the virus will apparently eventually mutate on its own anyway. The up side, supposedly for us and definitely for Pfizer, is that when that happens, they'll be ready and waiting at the vaccine store to fix us up.

This article seems to be implying things not really taking place, and demonizing Pfizer for what are actually just good business practices. In other words it's a tad sensationalized, at least as I see it.
" Then when the Covid viruses outside mutate on their own, Pfizer will have already created a vaccine, ahead of the competition."

Except that's not how nature works. Fauci and company made the same argument for why they want to "get ahead" of future mutations so they can develop a vaccine.

What really happened is they manufactured a bioweapon which would likely never ever emerge in nature or not for a million years. If one wants to imagine extremely unlikely scenarios, maybe a thousand or thousands of years.

They built a chimera, even including HIV sequences.

Now what he is saying on the techniques for evolving the virus is better as that's not a chimera like the creation of Covid. That being said, it still isn't likely in a controlled setting that the path of evolution will mimic nature which is an uncontrolled setting.

So reading between the lines, I lean towards an "accidental leak" by which they can maintain plausible deniability if discovered and most likely disguise it so it appears to happen naturally. Either way, the lame excuse of getting ahead of evolution is untenable.

Lastly, I find it hard to believe a legitimate scientist with proper motives would even try to create vaccines for Covid variants or any coronavirus variants since any new vaccine will be worthless in 6 months, and the approach of treatment is much better producing better outcomes.
 
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This is so bogus. Common sense tells us that one could poll any group of black people and odds would be good that voter rights would be mentioned as a concern and an issue. What the hell else would you expect when the dems hammer home relentlessly that republicans are trying to take their voting rights away, when that of course is complete bullshit.

Voting rights is an area of sensitivity for blacks, and one would expect them to react negatively and overreact to the suggestion that their voting rights are threatened. On the other hand, if one is dealing with black people on a more personal level, they very well might find that these black people don't see their right to vote being threatened at all. Voting rights falls into that us vs. them category that dems rely on blowing up and exploiting.

Sexual preferences and attitudes, on the other hand, is not a matter of their rights being threatened, it's just their preference to generally discard any suggested affinity for sexual weirdness. That's just the way they feel. I can relate.
Most black Americans favor photo ID and other voter "restrictions" actually and by a wide margin.
 
This is so bogus. Common sense tells us that one could poll any group of black people and odds would be good that voter rights would be mentioned as a concern and an issue. What the hell else would you expect when the dems hammer home relentlessly that republicans are trying to take their voting rights away, when that of course is complete bullshit.

Voting rights is an area of sensitivity for blacks, and one would expect them to react negatively and overreact to the suggestion that their voting rights are threatened. On the other hand, if one is dealing with black people on a more personal level, they very well might find that these black people don't see their right to vote being threatened at all. Voting rights falls into that us vs. them category that dems rely on blowing up and exploiting.

Sexual preferences and attitudes, on the other hand, is not a matter of their rights being threatened, it's just their preference to generally discard any suggested affinity for sexual weirdness. That's just the way they feel. I can relate.

Excellent poast. Liberals lie to blacks since the 60s and then want to point to polls of black voters to prove their lie is truth. Lol.
 
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" “You have to be very controlled to make sure that this virus [COVID] that you mutate doesn’t create something that just goes everywhere. Which, I suspect, is the way that the virus started in Wuhan, to be honest. It makes no sense that this virus popped out of nowhere. It’s bullsh*t,” he said. "

I believe what is being said is that the virus leaked at Wuhan (as opposed to 'popping out of nowhere'), and they want to make sure that mistake is not repeated. The virus itself, according to another passage, is mutated and propagated in-house using monkeys. No need to release it in order to create a mutation, which is true. With the mutation in hand, a vaccine can be developed. Then when the Covid viruses outside mutate on their own, Pfizer will have already created a vaccine, ahead of the competition.

The only problem I see is the danger of a leak, and even that isn't the worst thing that could happen, since the virus will apparently eventually mutate on its own anyway. The up side, supposedly for us and definitely for Pfizer, is that when that happens, they'll be ready and waiting at the vaccine store to fix us up.

This article seems to be implying things not really taking place, and demonizing Pfizer for what are actually just good business practices. In other words it's a tad sensationalized, at least as I see it.
" The up side, supposedly for us and definitely for Pfizer, is that when that happens, they'll be ready and waiting at the vaccine store to fix us up."

Also, no. The vaccines are poison and only "fix us up" to require more since the vax, actually genetic engineering, weakens the immune system and primes people for more disease and chronic conditions, as it was designed to do all along.

These mRNA vaccines were never designed to work. All they do is cause harm.
 
" The up side, supposedly for us and definitely for Pfizer, is that when that happens, they'll be ready and waiting at the vaccine store to fix us up."

Also, no. The vaccines are poison and only "fix us up" to require more since the vax, actually genetic engineering, weakens the immune system and primes people for more disease and chronic conditions, as it was designed to do all along.

These mRNA vaccines were never designed to work. All they do is cause harm.
you're wasting your breath, rando. I wasn't speaking from my own POV, I was relating Pfizer's and those who readily indulge. And I made no comment at all on the efficacy of any vaccine, I was only talking about the shot being available whether that's a good thing or not a good thing.
 
" Then when the Covid viruses outside mutate on their own, Pfizer will have already created a vaccine, ahead of the competition."

Except that's not how nature works. Fauci and company made the same argument for why they want to "get ahead" of future mutations so they can develop a vaccine.

What really happened is they manufactured a bioweapon which would likely never ever emerge in nature or not for a million years. If one wants to imagine extremely unlikely scenarios, maybe a thousand or thousands of years.

They built a chimera, even including HIV sequences.

Now what he is saying on the techniques for evolving the virus is better as that's not a chimera like the creation of Covid. That being said, it still isn't likely in a controlled setting that the path of evolution will mimic nature which is an uncontrolled setting.

So reading between the lines, I lean towards an "accidental leak" by which they can maintain plausible deniability if discovered and most likely disguise it so it appears to happen naturally. Either way, the lame excuse of getting ahead of evolution is untenable.

Lastly, I find it hard to believe a legitimate scientist with proper motives would even try to create vaccines for Covid variants or any coronavirus variants since any new vaccine will be worthless in 6 months, and the approach of treatment is much better producing better outcomes.
you're really arguing things that I'm not suggesting, with a few exceptions. I don't disagree at all that 'they' *** built a version of the SARS virus that might never have occurred naturally. Ironically though, that dispels your assertion that such an accomplishment can't be achieved outside nature. Of course it can.

The fact is that Covid was released, most likely by accident, into the general populace (I am firmly convinced that it came from the lab and I have said so here). That being said, if that could occur, why couldn't variants be lab-created as well? Of course they could. Once a virus is created, it will naturally tend to mutate, whether in the lab or outside the lab. That's a fact, and the text indicates that they would use monkeys in the lab to allow infection and eventual mutation.

Again, there is nothing that I read that indicates the necessity of a release in order to either develop a mutation, or achieve their goal of future sales. I do not believe that release was the intent, although only perusing the article might give that impression.

I'm done with this one.

*** I say 'they' because I don't know exactly who all was involved.
 
you're really arguing things that I'm not suggesting, with a few exceptions. I don't disagree at all that 'they' *** built a version of the SARS virus that might never have occurred naturally. Ironically though, that dispels your assertion that such an accomplishment can't be achieved outside nature. Of course it can.

The fact is that Covid was released, most likely by accident, into the general populace (I am firmly convinced that it came from the lab and I have said so here). That being said, if that could occur, why couldn't variants be lab-created as well? Of course they could. Once a virus is created, it will naturally tend to mutate, whether in the lab or outside the lab. That's a fact, and the text indicates that they would use monkeys in the lab to allow infection and eventual mutation.

Again, there is nothing that I read that indicates the necessity of a release in order to either develop a mutation, or achieve their goal of future sales. I do not believe that release was the intent, although only perusing the article might give that impression.

I'm done with this one.

*** I say 'they' because I don't know exactly who all was involved.

You're talking to someone who's tinfoil hit is so fused to their head not even an act of God could remove it.
 
Lol for the record I don't think you're crazy. We heavily disagree. You don't promote conspiracies. Big difference.

whaaaa?

You do know that sometimes there are conspiracies, right? Don't be a conspiracy denier. The greatest trick that Satan ever pulled was making people think that conspiracy theories are baseless. No wait, that was his second greatest trick.
 
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Time is on the conspiracy theorists side. What was once disregarded as conspiracy theory is often now accepted as truth even begrudgingly from hysterical liberals:

Hillary did create the faux Russia collusion story

COVID did come from a Wuhan lab

Hunter’s laptop is incriminating

The FBI did interfere with the election

The main stream media is in the back pocket of the Dems

I could go on but I don’t want to embarrass some of y’all.
 

Hmmmm....UPenn Medicine or Randman1...which one is right? Conspiracy theory wackjob internet guy or Ivy League doctors?

Shit, this is a really tough choice.
Just look at the facts for yourself. Have no idea what Upenn's establishment seeking buttloads of money from Fauci and the NIH are going to say, well actually know exactly what they'll say but listen to all of the elite scientists whom by their position can speak honestly, and from what I can tell, they all say the same sorts of things I've been saying but much more diplomatically.
 
you're really arguing things that I'm not suggesting, with a few exceptions. I don't disagree at all that 'they' *** built a version of the SARS virus that might never have occurred naturally. Ironically though, that dispels your assertion that such an accomplishment can't be achieved outside nature. Of course it can.

The fact is that Covid was released, most likely by accident, into the general populace (I am firmly convinced that it came from the lab and I have said so here). That being said, if that could occur, why couldn't variants be lab-created as well? Of course they could. Once a virus is created, it will naturally tend to mutate, whether in the lab or outside the lab. That's a fact, and the text indicates that they would use monkeys in the lab to allow infection and eventual mutation.

Again, there is nothing that I read that indicates the necessity of a release in order to either develop a mutation, or achieve their goal of future sales. I do not believe that release was the intent, although only perusing the article might give that impression.

I'm done with this one.

*** I say 'they' because I don't know exactly who all was involved.
Well, look, I realize we probably agree on most issues and so before you are done at least understand my point here.

I referenced the monkey thing when mentioning they are doing it a little better than creating a chimera.

However, my point is a lab is in a controlled environment and so the conditions are not the same as nature and the virus therefore will not be subject to the same evolutionary pressures and so will not evolve the same way as it would in a controlled environment. It would be economically useless to create a vaccination for such a variant that would never appear in nature UNLESS there is a way to leak it.
 
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whaaaa?

You do know that sometimes there are conspiracies, right? Don't be a conspiracy denier. The greatest trick that Satan ever pulled was making people think that conspiracy theories are baseless. No wait, that was his second greatest trick.

Lol I take it back then.

Keep that tinfoil hat. Or did you say aluminum?
 
For those that believe checking with fact checkers and listening to government media, aka the mainstream media, mean they are being remotely informed rather than brainwashed.

 
You're right. You're deluded and paranoid, with or without melanin. My apologies, you old round-eye cracker nutjob.
These are the people controlling your beliefs and mind.

 
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These are the people controlling your beliefs and mind.

I think I was racist toward white people long before they took over my damn mind!

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