Here's the part that seems to always go over your head or slip past that steel trap of yours, there were no actual hearings. What you tuned in for was a tightly controlled tv production called a hearing that was designed to attack "he who must not be re-elected". It's okay that you believe everything they paraded out for you, just don't kid yourself that anything about the process wasn't completely scripted.
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How about you try looking for footage that didn't show "people being destructive, beating cops, breaking thru doors and windows"? You probably aren't gonna find much since we've likely only been fed the bad stuff. And, what are the totals that are out there? I'll be super generous and just say 500 hours of bad acts. That means there's over 40,000 hours of not bad acts. You are smarter than this.
While you personally may not hold that tag line, the fact is that the msm and tech controlled social media pushed the narrative that the only thing that happened at the Capitol was a full blown insurrection and riot by those that were there. It was committed by "Trump supporters" which is anyone who voted for Trump (versus a person who was voting against Biden). Thus, anyone who voted for trump is an insurrectionist.
Again, you may not personally believe that "logic", but it is the narrative that was pushed. Many here have at least acknowledged that one could have been there and not have been an actual insurrectionist or have done anything wrong other than perhaps unwittingly trespass.
Perhaps that is what will be revealed by releasing the remaining voluminous footage rather than the sprinkling to which we have been given access. Perhaps not. We don't know and anything else is speculation by all of us.
But if the police let them in, I can't be certain they told them about the off limits places.
Nah - anything relaeased and viewed - straight up unedited tape with full context - will be disredited outright as conspiracy/ propaganda by the true believers and worshippers of this administration and their friends in the media and the alphabet agencies.
If any factual evidence is released, it can’t be believed unless scrubbed, doctored, cleansed by this administration and their lapdog media, DOJ, FBI to meet their preset narrative and agenda.
Which like you said - is all the J6 hearings were about I assume. I didn’t watch at all. All you needed to see was who was running the “hearings” who was kicked off, what info was /was not allowed to be presented, who could / could not testify… purely the definition of an agenda based show trial. Paint all non-supporters of the Dem administration and party as dangerous extremists. Hard pass from anyone with half a brain.
What didn't go over my head were all the Republicans and January 6 rioters and Trump Administration officials who testified and were subsequently called out by the MAGA crowd because their honesty and candor proved time and time again to be valuable to these hearings. Please tell me what was scripted in their depositions and eyewitness accounts?
I mean we know enough to know it wasn’t the FBI and antifa. That’s just pure conjecture at best.
No one was "kicked off." There were two Republicans on the committee and five others hand picked by Kevin McCarthy to serve. Two of them, Jim Jordan and Jim Banks, both of whom were outspoken election and January 6 deniers, were turned away by Nancy Pelosi for fear they would intentionally sabotage the hearings. The other three then refused to join.
I wish Pelosi had instead allowed Jordan and Banks to take part. I'm pretty sure they would have only made utter fools of themselves at the cost of the efficiency of the committee.
No, you're just trolling.But if the police let them in, I can't be certain they told them about the off limits places.
What's your point? You seem to downplay the evidence that wrongdoing occurred, because the source is 30-second clips from J6 committee. My point is that there is plenty of evidence that you seem to be missing.
There was a ton of footage of peaceful protesters before, during and after the seige. So what? Does that exonerate the rioters? Does that exonerate the fbi/secret service/DHS, etc? Does that exonerate the people who organized and passively or actively supported the seige?
Why do people not engaging in destructive behavior suddenly minimize those that did? Why do you seek to minimize what happened period? Why should they have been inside the building in the first place? Why should they have been protesting a lawful election at all?
This is what I don’t get from people who think J6 was no big deal, because it was.
I think you are trying to make yourself out to the be victim. Do you have links to this narrative?
Nobody has said this.
Don't confuse or conflate different narratives. There is a narrative that everyone there was a gullible deplorable who believed the fabricated kraken stuff, and that narrative largely stems from the fact that most of the events were "stop the steal" oriented. This narrative isn't saying all gullible deplorables were part of the seige.
But if the police let them in, I can't be certain they told them about the off limits places.
Amen. All this suffering from the MAGA crowd about being treated so poorly is enough to make a grown man cry. Or vomit.
"Siege", "insurrection", and "coup" are some of my favorite hyperbolic words frequently used by the hysterical left. LOL. You guys are relentless in your neuroses.
I'm not sure that what you're suggesting is accurate.
Maybe it's the way I'm reading it but I don't see anyone not identifying the rioters/destructionists as exactly what they were. But there's always a greater context, and a certain party is well known for taking things out of that to press their agenda home. We just want more of that context.
As one example among a great many examples, in Trumps much ballyhooed pre-protest speech, he clearly calls for a peaceful demonstration. But you have to find the speech and hear all of it to find that, because that certain party obviously took care to not make that known while highlighting what could be construed as a call for destruction. That's purely outrageous and an affront to the American citizenry.
I think it's ludicrous that any expressed desire for more information can be mischaracterized as support for the rioters.
If nothing else, releasing more of that context, even if it too is onesided, can only be helpful if one is seeking the whole truth, which I always am. Most of us are subject to supporting whatever we see that we believe in, but most of us are also smart enough and fair enough to know that there's always the other side of the coin. At any rate, we ALL deserve to be able to make our own judgements, based on as much information as we possibly can get. My judgement so far is that, as is par for the course, the dems go overboard in their desire to do Trump in, and are not very ethical in the way they go about it. THAT is why Trump has such strong support, IMO. Much of it is a reaction to the dems trying to further the agenda in a highly questionable way.
unlike whatever your biased ass says, I guess. LMAO at the irony.
Any factual information that goes even slightly counter to this administration's narrative and indoctrinating talking points, is de facto propaganda or conspiracy talk to these "drunk on Joe's Koolaid true believers" , regardless of any source it came from (CNN, NYT, Google, FB, etc) ....or even if they saw with their own eyes the factual information that contradicts this corrupt, constantly lying inept administrations story to cover their butts and to fend off any legit questions and requests for facts, evidence.
For all the people that think following DJT is a cult (I'm not defending DJT in any way)....what I've described above is the true definition of cult followership and being gaslighted.
I just don't understand the blind, unquestioning worship by these true believers - of all that the MSM and this administration and its institutions spew in provable lies. They think the people are all stupid, gullible. They are right, about the true believers, anyway.
I mean, it's not like media or government (both parties) has ever lied to the citizens before, or has trampled on their rights. Right?
@nctransplant same here. And inflation is one of probably a dozen issues where sht for brains drooling dementia brain dead Joe has put US in serious long term peril.
Top of that list for me is: Joe cuddling up to corrupt POS track suit cockroach Zelensky and their relentless insanity, hell bent on dragging us into nuclear WW3 - when all of this could have been avoided with better negotiators from US.
It’s hard not to think Joe’s unquestioning loyalty to Z and the blank check to them has something to do with the Biden family getting paid so much by Ukraine in the past.
If Americans go over to this conflict and die in this needless WW3 - there have to be consequences immediately for this administration. We supposed to be cool with sending our kids to die half way around the world due to this inept moron in WH and entirely corrupt Zelensky?
Whatever happened to having to pass in Congress - going to war?
Other issues bigger than j6 - southern border,
drug crisis, energy incompetence, transportation incompetence, skyrocketing crime, joes relentless pitting races, and genders and classes against each other - (quite the uniter) - just to name a few
If we begin sending Americans abroad to die in "WW3," can we start with drama queens like you?
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if we begin sending Americans abroad to die in WW III, could you really call him a drama queen? Derp.
If we begin sending Americans abroad to die in "WW3," can we start with drama queens like you?
well duh, that's exactly what we are asking for. But in asking for it, we set off a shitstorm of pushback counter to your wayward positioning. Why can't we just get the info being withheld without all the renewed defensiveness that suggests fear of something being uncovered? I'm thinking it's because there is a fear of something being uncovered. Maybe it's just me.
How do you explain the fact that the 1/6 findings came from Trump appointed members of the GOP?
There was one dumb bitch fukked around and found out what was off limitsBut if the police let them in, I can't be certain they told them about the off limits places.
One thing lost in the j6 discussion is the remarkable restraint shown by the capitol police. I woulda set up a .50 cal on the roof to clear the area. I know it’s hard to shoot sweet little old maga ladies sight seeing but you just gotta remember to not lead them as much.
I've wondered about this ever since that day. Why didn't the Capitol Police just mow them all down on the lawn? It would have simplified this whole matter we're now facing, and it would certainly have made for some really cool footage. My favorite part about that day is when that dumb chick tries to squeeze through a door window and gets blasted.
Two fashion faux pas, Pink polo and horizontal stripes. SmhCops should have hired these people.
Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger were appointed by Trump? This explains many of your posts.
lost? Wondered about? You might want to start paying more attention. Why the Capitol police didn't offer nearly as much resistance as one would expect, is one of the major questions many seek an answer to. The only thing lost is anything resembling an answer.
In some cases, apparently they even helped people get to where they weren't supposed to be. And yet ironically, the MAGA-haters scoff when someone smells a rat.
This is actually true. We do not yet know, if we ever will, what their "rules of engagement" were that day. But your second point, noted in jest, is actually a big part of this entire set of questions that have never been asked, let alone answered.
Setting up a .50 cal would have required preparing for these possibilities. We now know that those in charge were aware of plans, chatter, threats, etc. in advance, as well as the fact that additional services were available to prepare for such "problems". Yet, they were apparently not in place that day. You would have set up your proverbial ".50 cal" because you would have prepared for and stopped the insurrectionists/rioters before it happened. The question in addition to so many others is why wasn't this done?
Lol at the Capitol Police. Either they're the most inept, unqualified, losers (probably many "diversity" hires) or they were in on it. Only two logical assumptions. Take your pick.
No, no. While the Capitol Police let people in and even acted as tour guides showing them around, those tourists should have known based on nothing more than @tarheel0910 's thoughts about common sense, that there were certain unmarked parts of the tour where they can't go. Didn't you read yesterday's poasts?
They definitely need to be asked via something like a committee, obviously sep from the j6 committee since preparedness of the gov and the actual rioting are two entirely different things.
My big questions:
-Why did some cops just step aside instead of fighting back?
-Why didn't police use guns when they were being attacked with objects? There was clearly authorization to protect the congress people, hence the shooting of that dead crazy lady.*
-Why weren't there more cops on the grounds that day given what FBI, Secret Service, and the rest of America knew might happen.
-Why wasn't there a smooth, fast chain of command / plan for a quicker response once SHTF? Christopher Miller and all the generals and other officers tween him and national guard boots-on-ground need to be grilled.
* Jan 5th she'd tweeted:
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You couldn't troll me yesterday and you aren't going to do it today. But if you want to waste your time, go ahead.
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