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Voter Roll Error Map | Public Interest Legal Foundation
Errors in America's Voter Rolls The most important election integrity document is the voter roll. It tells election officials who is eligible to vote. ...
publicinterestlegal.org
Link to a database of individual state voter roll issues.
Heard a good one this morning: What's the difference between conspiracy theories and the news?
12 to 24 months.
12 to 24 months.
Fox execs and personalities knew the "election fraud" claims were bogus but they pushed it on the airwaves anyway because they were afraid of Trump and afraid of losing their ignorant base to newsmax and OAN:
www.businessinsider.com
Fox News hosts and executives privately mocked pro-Trump election conspiracy theories after he lost, internal texts show
A new legal filing from Dominion reveals internal messages from Tucker Carlson, Rupert Murdoch, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and more Fox News brass.
www.businessinsider.com
That's some great work PILF is doing! Such honesty and integrity!Voter Roll Error Map | Public Interest Legal Foundation
Errors in America's Voter Rolls The most important election integrity document is the voter roll. It tells election officials who is eligible to vote. ...
Link to a database of individual state voter roll issues.
Just look at what is being written about them and their legal but suspect voter oppression tactics:The Indiana-based PILF has brought multiple purge suits against cities and counties across the country. Indeed, the court recognized that “the same plaintiff has initiated or is in the process of initiating multiple lawsuits in various courts around the state raising essentially identical claims attempting to coerce municipalities to purge their voter rolls.”
But when it came time to offer proof, PILF withdrew.
Public Interest Legal Foundation Drops Meritless Voter Purge Lawsuit Against Detroit
The group claimed the city was not purging voters aggressively enough. But when pressed for evidence, they withdrew.
John Johnson isn’t dead.
Nor is Lillian Shuster.
Or Stanley Ellis.
These three lifelong voters, all residents of Palm Beach County, Florida, are very much alive, healthy and ready to vote in November.
But all three, along with several other Florida voters contacted by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting, were flagged last year by an eight-year-old conservative nonprofit named the Public Interest Legal Foundation, or PILF. In May 2019, PILF sent Palm Beach County election officials a list of voters who they claimed had cast ballots in recent elections despite having died years before. These votes, PILF claimed, were evidence of widespread voter fraud in a county that will be critical to Democratic hopes in November.
John Johnson isn’t dead: How claims of voter fraud in Florida fell apart
The Public Interest Legal Foundation, a conservative nonprofit, has a long history of claiming voter fraud but getting its facts wrong.
revealnews.org
Voter purges are an often-flawed process of cleaning up voter rolls by deleting names from registration lists. While updating registration lists as voters die, move, or otherwise become ineligible is necessary and important, when done irresponsibly — with bad data or when two voters are confused for the same person — the process can knock eligible voters off the roll en masse, often with little notice. Many voters discover they’re no longer listed only when they arrive at the polling place. As a result, many eligible Americans either don’t vote or are forced to cast provisional ballots.
Voter Purges
Voter purges are an often-flawed process of cleaning up voter rolls by deleting names from registration lists. The Brennan Center works to ensure that they are nondiscriminatory and do not disenfranchise eligible voters.
For the first time ever, Ohio this year lifted the veil on its voter purging system. It left the state astonished.
Secretary of State Frank LaRose, a Republican who has focused on modernizing the state’s elections system, announced in the months after he took office that he would, in compliance with state law, drop 235,000 people from voter rolls. Those people, he said, had either moved away, died or, mostly, failed to vote in six years.
The names were culled from a decentralized registration system in which Ohio’s 88 counties manage their own voter rolls and use one of four different election vendors to run their databases.
It’s a system that is ripe for errors, as officials would soon find out.
The Messy Politics of Voter Purges • Stateline
For the first time ever, Ohio this year lifted the veil on its voter purging system. It left the state astonished. Secretary of State Frank LaRose, a Republican who has focused on modernizing the state’s elections system, announced in the months after he took office that he would, in compliance...
www.pewtrusts.org
Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) is a conservative-run sham operation created by Republicans who simply can't stand losing elections to Democrats. 😄
Aren't ratings what every tv show is about? Just because it's called the Fox News Channel, it doesn't mean every program is purported to be the neutral, unbiased news. Carlson, Hannity, Ingrahm, etc. are all entertainment programs that are based on events happening in the news. The others are no different, despite the names.Fox execs and personalities knew the "election fraud" claims were bogus but they pushed it on the airwaves anyway because they were afraid of Trump and afraid of losing their ignorant base to newsmax and OAN:
Fox News hosts and executives privately mocked pro-Trump election conspiracy theories after he lost, internal texts show
A new legal filing from Dominion reveals internal messages from Tucker Carlson, Rupert Murdoch, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and more Fox News brass.
^^^^^ biased article hilariously calling an attempt to regulate voter rolls 'voter oppression'. Or maybe that was Heels Noir who said it, but the article at least implied it.That's some great work PILF is doing! Such honesty and integrity!
The Indiana-based PILF has brought multiple purge suits against cities and counties across the country. Indeed, the court recognized that “the same plaintiff has initiated or is in the process of initiating multiple lawsuits in various courts around the state raising essentially identical claims attempting to coerce municipalities to purge their voter rolls.”
But when it came time to offer proof, PILF withdrew.
Public Interest Legal Foundation Drops Meritless Voter Purge Lawsuit Against Detroit
The group claimed the city was not purging voters aggressively enough. But when pressed for evidence, they withdrew.www.brennancenter.org
John Johnson isn’t dead.
Nor is Lillian Shuster.
Or Stanley Ellis.
These three lifelong voters, all residents of Palm Beach County, Florida, are very much alive, healthy and ready to vote in November.
But all three, along with several other Florida voters contacted by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting, were flagged last year by an eight-year-old conservative nonprofit named the Public Interest Legal Foundation, or PILF. In May 2019, PILF sent Palm Beach County election officials a list of voters who they claimed had cast ballots in recent elections despite having died years before. These votes, PILF claimed, were evidence of widespread voter fraud in a county that will be critical to Democratic hopes in November.
John Johnson isn’t dead: How claims of voter fraud in Florida fell apart
The Public Interest Legal Foundation, a conservative nonprofit, has a long history of claiming voter fraud but getting its facts wrong.
Voter purges are an often-flawed process of cleaning up voter rolls by deleting names from registration lists. While updating registration lists as voters die, move, or otherwise become ineligible is necessary and important, when done irresponsibly — with bad data or when two voters are confused for the same person — the process can knock eligible voters off the roll en masse, often with little notice. Many voters discover they’re no longer listed only when they arrive at the polling place. As a result, many eligible Americans either don’t vote or are forced to cast provisional ballots.
Voter Purges
Voter purges are an often-flawed process of cleaning up voter rolls by deleting names from registration lists. The Brennan Center works to ensure that they are nondiscriminatory and do not disenfranchise eligible voters.
For the first time ever, Ohio this year lifted the veil on its voter purging system. It left the state astonished.
Secretary of State Frank LaRose, a Republican who has focused on modernizing the state’s elections system, announced in the months after he took office that he would, in compliance with state law, drop 235,000 people from voter rolls. Those people, he said, had either moved away, died or, mostly, failed to vote in six years.
The names were culled from a decentralized registration system in which Ohio’s 88 counties manage their own voter rolls and use one of four different election vendors to run their databases.
It’s a system that is ripe for errors, as officials would soon find out.
The Messy Politics of Voter Purges • Stateline
For the first time ever, Ohio this year lifted the veil on its voter purging system. It left the state astonished. Secretary of State Frank LaRose, a Republican who has focused on modernizing the state’s elections system, announced in the months after he took office that he would, in compliance...
Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) is a conservative-run sham operation created by Republicans who simply can't stand losing elections to Democrats. 😄
Take some purge errors and paint it a tragedy instead of an attempt to clean up. The wrongly excluded voter would be 'forced to fill out a provisional ballot' or re-register (IF they happened to show up to vote). OH THE HORRORS. Voter oppression, voter oppression.
If I went to vote and they told me I was no longer on the rolls, I'd happily fill out a provisional ballot or re-register and leave even more satisfied that there's proof that somebody is guarding the henhouse and trying to keep the foxes at bay. It leaves one wondering just why the dems are so adverse to legitimizing the vote, desperately characterizing minor inconvenience as examples of systemic racism, etc..
Speaking of shady voter suppression tactics:
Of course she says nothing about taking away the rights of those fleeing red states and settling in blue states such as her own Georgia.
Of course she says nothing about taking away the rights of those fleeing red states and settling in blue states such as her own Georgia.
nice. An opinion piece criticizing opinion broadcasting. Find me a verifiable fact in this article and I'll applaud you.Fox execs and personalities knew the "election fraud" claims were bogus but they pushed it on the airwaves anyway because they were afraid of Trump and afraid of losing their ignorant base to newsmax and OAN:
Fox News hosts and executives privately mocked pro-Trump election conspiracy theories after he lost, internal texts show
A new legal filing from Dominion reveals internal messages from Tucker Carlson, Rupert Murdoch, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and more Fox News brass.
She's pretty out there, I admit. But I actually don't hate that idea. And I'd be for it working in both directions. 5 years is too much though. I could be ok with 2 or 3 years. That gives the newbie some time to see if the current laws are in keeping with what the newbie likes and values. So yes - if you flee a blue state for a red state, you wait 2 or 3 years to vote. If you flee a red state for a blue state, you wait 2 or 3 years to vote. It won't happen but what's the downside?
I have considered something like this quite a bit and support the notion....but it should be applied to any new resident. Her commentary was seemingly cut off, and I wonder if she didn't also stipulate that.
If nothing else, applying the practice to local and state elections would be undeniably reasonable.
The downside? Let's see, first of all it flies in the face of the 26th Amendment:
Twenty-Sixth Amendment
Section 1
The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.Section 2
The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.Furthermore, where do you draw the line in determining who is fleeing and who simply wants a change of scenery? Or is looking to change careers? Or is wanting to live closer to relatives? Or is looking for a lower cost of living?
As well as undeniably illegal according to the U.S. Constitution, Boy Blunder.
Yeah, I get it. It does go against our voting laws. We’re speaking in hypotheticals here. I’m asking, what’s the downside in our hypothetical situation. So citing our current laws looks like you avoiding to ponder my question and instead looking just to be right about something no one is arguing.
Reasons wouldn’t matter to me. Whether it’s because you’re retiring, chasing a job or stalking an ex, if you move, the rule would apply. At least that’s how I see it.
This is pretty funny, you complaining about PILF by citing a bunch of organizations that are surely agenda driven. In the first citation you make, here is the first paragraph of their "About Us". It says:That's some great work PILF is doing! Such honesty and integrity!
The Indiana-based PILF has brought multiple purge suits against cities and counties across the country. Indeed, the court recognized that “the same plaintiff has initiated or is in the process of initiating multiple lawsuits in various courts around the state raising essentially identical claims attempting to coerce municipalities to purge their voter rolls.”
But when it came time to offer proof, PILF withdrew.
Public Interest Legal Foundation Drops Meritless Voter Purge Lawsuit Against Detroit
The group claimed the city was not purging voters aggressively enough. But when pressed for evidence, they withdrew.
John Johnson isn’t dead.
Nor is Lillian Shuster.
Or Stanley Ellis.
These three lifelong voters, all residents of Palm Beach County, Florida, are very much alive, healthy and ready to vote in November.
But all three, along with several other Florida voters contacted by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting, were flagged last year by an eight-year-old conservative nonprofit named the Public Interest Legal Foundation, or PILF. In May 2019, PILF sent Palm Beach County election officials a list of voters who they claimed had cast ballots in recent elections despite having died years before. These votes, PILF claimed, were evidence of widespread voter fraud in a county that will be critical to Democratic hopes in November.
John Johnson isn’t dead: How claims of voter fraud in Florida fell apart
The Public Interest Legal Foundation, a conservative nonprofit, has a long history of claiming voter fraud but getting its facts wrong.
Voter purges are an often-flawed process of cleaning up voter rolls by deleting names from registration lists. While updating registration lists as voters die, move, or otherwise become ineligible is necessary and important, when done irresponsibly — with bad data or when two voters are confused for the same person — the process can knock eligible voters off the roll en masse, often with little notice. Many voters discover they’re no longer listed only when they arrive at the polling place. As a result, many eligible Americans either don’t vote or are forced to cast provisional ballots.
Voter Purges
Voter purges are an often-flawed process of cleaning up voter rolls by deleting names from registration lists. The Brennan Center works to ensure that they are nondiscriminatory and do not disenfranchise eligible voters.
For the first time ever, Ohio this year lifted the veil on its voter purging system. It left the state astonished.
Secretary of State Frank LaRose, a Republican who has focused on modernizing the state’s elections system, announced in the months after he took office that he would, in compliance with state law, drop 235,000 people from voter rolls. Those people, he said, had either moved away, died or, mostly, failed to vote in six years.
The names were culled from a decentralized registration system in which Ohio’s 88 counties manage their own voter rolls and use one of four different election vendors to run their databases.
It’s a system that is ripe for errors, as officials would soon find out.
The Messy Politics of Voter Purges • Stateline
For the first time ever, Ohio this year lifted the veil on its voter purging system. It left the state astonished. Secretary of State Frank LaRose, a Republican who has focused on modernizing the state’s elections system, announced in the months after he took office that he would, in compliance...
Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) is a conservative-run sham operation created by Republicans who simply can't stand losing elections to Democrats. 😄
"We are facing an unprecedented number of urgent global crises: the spread of COVID-19, a reckoning over racial injustice, devastating climate events, growing wealth gaps, global migration, the rise of fascism and the destabilization of democratic institutions."
Hmm, let me guess, they are funded by Repub donors? I somehow doubt it. Regardless, you miss (never a shocker) the broader point: cleaning up voting rolls is a good thing. Accuracy in voting is a virtue. Otherwise, it can be manipulated by those in power, regardless of party. If PILF's data was wrong in a couple of respects, there are ways to ensure all is good, but refusing to do voter roll purges because one person may be wronged in some inconvenient aspect (versus the hundreds and thousands who should be properly purged) is indefensible.
To be fair, I agree with you that it will never happen. If referring to the Constitution is being right, then call me guilty.
I think even hypothetically it's a dumb idea that attempts to influence (or negate) people's voting choices. MTG is a nutcase who probably doesn't believe half of the nonsense she spews but loves getting a rise from her opponents.
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Yes, I would agree that the sources I cited are liberal and take offense with the misguided mission behind PILF. So what? Can you make a valid argument against their integrity other than suggesting their political leanings?
You're missing the broader issue. The "integrity" of any of them is really irrelevant and there is no point in arguing about them endlessly. The issue is ensuring that the voter rolls are accurate and the voting boards take the necessary steps to continually ensure so. If there are 5 or 10,000 voters who shouldn't be registered, that's 5 or 10,000 too many, respectively. PILF can even be mostly wrong on their numbers (they're most likely not), but if they are even a little correct, it needs to be addressed. Why is that difficult to understand or with which to agree?
^ I think in regards to the discussion above (election integrity), there are basically 2 camps.
One side believes that cleaning up voter rolls is paramount to the process and if a few legit voters get caught in the crosshairs and are unable to vote, then so be it.
The other side believes that voting is so individually important that they are willing to overlook the potential for fraud if it means not even 1 legit voter’s eligibility is infringed upon.
It’s a tough place to be.
One side believes that cleaning up voter rolls is paramount to the process and if a few legit voters get caught in the crosshairs and are unable to vote, then so be it.
The other side believes that voting is so individually important that they are willing to overlook the potential for fraud if it means not even 1 legit voter’s eligibility is infringed upon.
It’s a tough place to be.
but being infringed upon only means a slight inconvenience. No one is being denied the right to vote.
Any human endeavor is imperfect and produces mistakes. The very thing we are talking about is loaded with mistakes, but we are going to quibble over a few mistakes made in cleaning those greater number of mistakes up? That's not reasonable. There is no legitimate reason not to support periodic housekeeping in the way of purging voter rolls of the inelligible.
I don't agree with your characterizatrion of 'the other side'. They claim they are championing the right to vote because it is so fundamentally important...yet what they are trying to accomplish is getting the vote of those who normally don't care enough about voting to get their fat asses off the sofa.
It's ludicrous to claim that voting is or is going to be made difficult for even the moderately motivated. It's even more ludicrous to be able to harvest the votes of those who don't give a shit.
Many believe there is a third camp of those who feel that nearly all boards of election in this country are bipartisan, honest, and diligent in keeping voter rolls continuously updated. Add to that the final results approved by election officials and Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) show secure elections like we saw in 2020.
Widespread voter fraud in this country is a myth.
It makes no difference what a person's motivation is for voting, or who might be helping to motivate them. They still have that undeniable right no matter how passionately you are against it.
read much?
you don't, simp. You deny any new resident on the basis of BEING a new resident. I doubt anyone, including the loon in question, thinks that it's reasonable to deny the vote based on which way the wind blows.
I don't disagree. But I am characterizing their side as they would characterize it. I'm betting that those on that side would think I mischaracterized the other camp. Instead they'd say our side is just doing this to suppress voting from certain blocs (as inane as that might sound to you and me).
Well those people are idiots and I won't even consider their camp.
who the fvck said it matters what the motivation is? It matters that there IS or is NOT motivation, whatever that might be. If one doesn't have the motivation to get off their apathetic ass and make the minimal effort required to go vote, no one should make it easy for them or worse, stick a ballot in their face and fill it out for them.
The right to vote is a different thing than actually voting. The right to vote is intrinsically woven into our fabric and unless there is an amendment changing that, it can not be denied. But exercizing that right is not Constitutionally provided for, nor should it be. Nobody I know of wants to deny anyone the right to get off their fat asses and exercize that right. And no one should exercize it on their behalf unless there is some physical limitation that makes it a true hardship.
the kind of fraud that Trump was claiming was overstated at best. But the way the last election was conducted was improper, and it might as well be called fraudulent on that basis. I call it bogus.
That, Boy Blunder, is utterly stupid. How else can we punish those who simply relocate to a different state?
Regarding your previous post about the first two camps:
As for "cleaning up voter rolls," voter roll list maintenance is something all states are required to consistently do. Are you suggesting we need another big-government organization to go behind and verify the experts' findings?
As for those "willing to overlook potential fraud," can you provide one or more government agency that irresponsibly practices this custom?
Even though there was no evidence of systematic voter fraud? That makes sense.
Why can't you just admit that it's not the question of fraud or procedure that chaps your ass but rather the fact that your team keeps losing?
In other words, you don't really have anything to say. Or you have to wait and see how someone else responds so you can parrot their talking points.
I always loved the "if you don't already know, no use in me trying to explain it" cop out. Well done @prlyles . You're exactly the poaster I thought would use that tired reasoning.
Has the Overton window moved so much we’re actually considering limiting the right to vote based off being a new resident as a reasonable proposition?
Holy Christ.
Holy Christ.
If you can’t see why this is a stupid idea, I’m not wasting my time with you. That’s not a cop out and you know it. You’re a damn fool.
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