OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[bluetoe]

Pentagon can't explain where $824B went. They seem competent.

I can pretty much assure you that it largely went where it wasn't supposed to go. Hell, the Bidens probably got half of that.

eta...alternate take; ask the Taliban where it went.

 

[gteeitup]

once again, I don't know what you're trying to say here. It would help if you explained just what he said about cell and wi-fi and and what your problem is with it.



I guess we're talking about the lame joke. Do you think eating a Big Mac and washing it down with a Coke is going to make you keel over and croak out right there on the spot? I'm almost certain that most reasonably intelligent people would understand how idiotic it would be to believe that. A steady diet of fast food is another thing. Eating that kind of fast food every day is probably not conducive to a long life. But what did the picture show? Was it just one fast food meal, or did it somehow convey that that was an everyday sort of thing? ANSWER; it was a single, harmless fast food meal, and to try to wring such off-target humor out of presenting it is not only not funny, it's nowhere close to being a 'gotcha' of some sort.

he said it’s the same wave frequency, when it’s not.

i think a person eating fast food and washing it down with a coke is not someone that should be telling people how to eat right or how to incorporate a healthy lifestyle.

but he can do a pull-up…can you?

 

[blazers]

• We know that a hallmark of autism is dysregulation of brain development starting in the prenatal period. Childhood immunizations simply cannot explain what goes wrong during gestation.
• There is not a single ingredient in vaccines that can cause childhood brain development to go awry, and no animal study shows links between vaccines and the abnormal brain development seen in autism.
• There is no plausible reason vaccines could explain autism’s strong heritability (e.g., sharply increased incidence among siblings), or its strong male-to-female ratio of about 4 to 1.
• The vaccine schedule cannot possibly explain the steadily accelerating rates over time.
• And most importantly, every epidemiological study on the topic has confirmed zero association between vaccination status and the development of autism.

^ found these bullets which might interest you @pooponduke

 

[gunslingerdick]

• We know that a hallmark of autism is dysregulation of brain development starting in the prenatal period. Childhood immunizations simply cannot explain what goes wrong during gestation.
• There is not a single ingredient in vaccines that can cause childhood brain development to go awry, and no animal study shows links between vaccines and the abnormal brain development seen in autism.
• There is no plausible reason vaccines could explain autism’s strong heritability (e.g., sharply increased incidence among siblings), or its strong male-to-female ratio of about 4 to 1.
• The vaccine schedule cannot possibly explain the steadily accelerating rates over time.
• And most importantly, every epidemiological study on the topic has confirmed zero association between vaccination status and the development of autism.

^ found these bullets which might interest you @pooponduke

You love to poast shit with no links. I don’t understand why you do that. Instead of copying and pasting, you could have just poasted the link.

 

[nctransplant]

You love to poast shit with no links. I don’t understand why you do that. Instead of copying and pasting, you could have just poasted the link.

His garbage doesn't deserve a "poast". "Post" only for him.

 

[pooponduke]

• We know that a hallmark of autism is dysregulation of brain development starting in the prenatal period. Childhood immunizations simply cannot explain what goes wrong during gestation.
• There is not a single ingredient in vaccines that can cause childhood brain development to go awry, and no animal study shows links between vaccines and the abnormal brain development seen in autism.
• There is no plausible reason vaccines could explain autism’s strong heritability (e.g., sharply increased incidence among siblings), or its strong male-to-female ratio of about 4 to 1.
• The vaccine schedule cannot possibly explain the steadily accelerating rates over time.
• And most importantly, every epidemiological study on the topic has confirmed zero association between vaccination status and the development of autism.

^ found these bullets which might interest you @pooponduke

Thanks, I guess. But these are the types of conclusions and statements that seem logical and scientifically solid, until they aren't. I indicated before that I am out of my depth with this stuff and much of it is way over my head, so I am playing catch up. The point of all this is that there is nothing wrong with questioning and challenging this stuff. We do have a problem with something or a combination of somethings. It's why I think there is a distinction to be made about RFK in regard to what he really believes. He got on the wrong side of the D/media and became an enemy of the state. Then, he had the audacity to actually voluntarily sign up for the Gestapo. It's amazing that a guy who should be a darling of the D's (all-time great D family, environmental lawyer attacking corps., etc.) went to being on the top ten hated list.

As I understand it, some of these vaccines have some ingredients in them that are a no go, like mercury. And while they may theoretically be fine individually, it could be a problem being administered early during development, over time, and/or collectively with others. That type of stuff is what Kennedy harps on in terms of it needing to be looked at and studied. That's why I would describe him as not anti vax, but vax choice and pro safe vax. And none of that begins to touch on our food system.

The problem is that the politics and money in things always skews the results. So, when someone says things in conclusory terms of certainty like above, my cynicism kicks in to wonder how they can be so sure. It's like all those lawn signs you still see in front yards saying "In This House We Believe Science is Real". Until it's not the "science" they want to hear about. Things like a random made up six foot distancing rule, things like wearing a "mask" that turns out does nothing, and things like taking a vax and a gazillion boosters of the vax that decidedly does NOT keep you from getting what science said it was supposed to keep you from getting.

It's anecdotal, but all I can say for certain is that we are not getting healthier as a society. It doesn't seem to me to be a bad thing or make someone a quack to ask questions about that and even challenge many of the things we supposedly "know" all about.

 

[pooponduke]

You love to poast shit with no links. I don’t understand why you do that. Instead of copying and pasting, you could have just poasted the link.

Or just do both if you want to highlight part of something particularly long (because we know, tl:dr).

 

[pooponduke]

His garbage doesn't deserve a "poast". "Post" only for him.

At least @blazers is still down for the debate and making an effort. He didn't take his ball and go home like one poster or pull a Jimmy Hoffa like another.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Fox News is full blown, in-your-face propaganda. And, they are the best at it.

Not hard to be the best when your main two competitors have been forced to blow up their "talent" because they can't get anyone to buy their garbage after they were proven to be clowns by the recent election.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

That may not matter anymore. Are gays still on top of the victimhood totem pole? We need @Hark_The_Sound_2010 to weigh in. He's the one that keeps up with this stuff.

Trans are the top of the woke totem pole. In the latest shakeup, we've surprisingly seen Blacks, and even more so Latinos, plummet in the rankings after they abandoned the woke cause en masse in the election a couple weeks ago.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Trans are the top of the woke totem pole. In the latest shakeup, we've surprisingly seen Blacks, and even more so Latinos, plummet in the rankings after they abandoned the woke cause en masse in the election a couple weeks ago.

That's solid insight. We appreciate your analysis.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Athletes don't seem to be afraid to show Trump a little love these days.

 

[bluetoe]

he said it’s the same wave frequency, when it’s not.

i think a person eating fast food and washing it down with a coke is not someone that should be telling people how to eat right or how to incorporate a healthy lifestyle.

but he can do a pull-up…can you?

in all this back and forth, this is the first time you explained what he said. It shouldn't take all this back and forth to find that out, just so someone can understand your point. Just explain it up front.

That being said, WHAT was his point in claiming that they were the same frequency, and why does that matter if health was the concern? Both ranges of frequency are in question in that regard.

It's silly to make it seem hypocritical that he's having a big mac and a coke, unless he's making a steady diet of those and the picture does not indicate that to be the case. Fast food is not poison. The healthiest individual in the world can eat fast food from time to time without taking a minute off his life. This is NOT a gotcha.

The pull up thing...don't know why you harp on this. So he can do a pullup, what's the point? I don't know if I still can or not, and I'm not going to try because it might throw my ass bone out of joint.

eta...I appreciate your patience and willingness to engage like this.

 

[bluetoe]

You love to poast shit with no links. I don’t understand why you do that. Instead of copying and pasting, you could have just poasted the link.

or better yet, do both.

eta...as per usual, @pooponduke already said it. Sorry man, I tend to post before I read the new stuff.

 

[bluetoe]

And most importantly, every epidemiological study on the topic has confirmed zero association between vaccination status and the development of autism.

so they've ruled out correlation?

Thanks, I guess. But these are the types of conclusions and statements that seem logical and scientifically solid, until they aren't. I indicated before that I am out of my depth with this stuff and much of it is way over my head, so I am playing catch up. The point of all this is that there is nothing wrong with questioning and challenging this stuff. We do have a problem with something or a combination of somethings. It's why I think there is a distinction to be made about RFK in regard to what he really believes. He got on the wrong side of the D/media and became an enemy of the state. Then, he had the audacity to actually voluntarily sign up for the Gestapo. It's amazing that a guy who should be a darling of the D's (all-time great D family, environmental lawyer attacking corps., etc.) went to being on the top ten hated list.

As I understand it, some of these vaccines have some ingredients in them that are a no go, like mercury. And while they may theoretically be fine individually, it could be a problem being administered early during development, over time, and/or collectively with others. That type of stuff is what Kennedy harps on in terms of it needing to be looked at and studied. That's why I would describe him as not anti vax, but vax choice and pro safe vax. And none of that begins to touch on our food system.

The problem is that the politics and money in things always skews the results. So, when someone says things in conclusory terms of certainty like above, my cynicism kicks in to wonder how they can be so sure. It's like all those lawn signs you still see in front yards saying "In This House We Believe Science is Real". Until it's not the "science" they want to hear about. Things like a random made up six foot distancing rule, things like wearing a "mask" that turns out does nothing, and things like taking a vax and a gazillion boosters of the vax that decidedly does NOT keep you from getting what science said it was supposed to keep you from getting.

It's anecdotal, but all I can say for certain is that we are not getting healthier as a society. It doesn't seem to me to be a bad thing or make someone a quack to ask questions about that and even challenge many of the things we supposedly "know" all about.

this 'info' goes south right off the bat with this...

We know that a hallmark of autism is dysregulation of brain development starting in the prenatal period. Childhood immunizations simply cannot explain what goes wrong during gestation.

we know? 'We' don't know, we just think we know...and where is the validation of this information. Without a cite this is just propaganda.

And only trust the studies that bolster your POV. Ignore the ones that counter it. Generally, you can find some of each. Studies are like statistics in that taken alone and without a greater context, they don't mean much.

 

[strummingram]

Not hard to be the best when your main two competitors have been forced to blow up their "talent" because they can't get anyone to buy their garbage after they were proven to be clowns by the recent election.

I never implied that the level of difficulty was very high. Fox News is the best at peddling propaganda. Only occasionally are they fined close to a billion dollars for lying really bad. But, they can cover that easily.

 

[blazers]

It's anecdotal, but all I can say for certain is that we are not getting healthier as a society. It doesn't seem to me to be a bad thing or make someone a quack to ask questions about that and even challenge many of the things we supposedly "know" all about.

Asking is one thing. Ignoring science then repeating ill-conceived "conclusions" is dangerous.

I'm all for strong regulations around health, safety and the environment. Corporations are out to make a buck health-be-damned. So I love that conservatives republicans are embracing someone like RFK jr. But there are people with the same values who are more qualified to run a large org AND aren't nut-jobs who repeat debunked theories.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Looking at vaccine accomplishments more broadly, a 2024 study showed that among children born from 1994 to 2023 in the United States, nine vaccines prevented an estimated 1.1 million deaths, 32 million hospitalizations and 508 million lifetime cases of illness. They also saved $540 billion in direct medical costs and $2.7 trillion in indirect costs over the same period.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/20/opinion/rfk-jr-vaccines-public-health.html

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Asking is one thing. Ignoring science then repeating ill-conceived "conclusions" is dangerous.

I'm all for strong regulations around health, safety and the environment. Corporations are out to make a buck health-be-damned. So I love that conservatives republicans are embracing someone like RFK jr. But there are people with the same values who are more qualified to run a large org AND aren't nut-jobs who repeat debunked theories.

Yeah BUT . . . the GOP would NEVER appoint one of those qualified, non-nut-job people with good values.

Instead of trying to get RFK kicked to the curb because he's only good on some things, I'm just grateful that Trump has appointed someone who might be good at anything!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Let's consider some things people say RFK is wrong on.....

He thinks the CIA could have been involved in the assassination of JFK.

He thinks chemicals in water/food/medicines can affect gender-related feelings, development and behavior.

He thinks the GOP might have stolen the 2004 Ohio election (and with it the Electoral College outcome).

He MIGHT be wrong on all of those. But they are all plausible.

 

[bluetoe]

I never implied that the level of difficulty was very high. Fox News is the best at peddling propaganda. Only occasionally are they fined close to a billion dollars for lying really bad. But, they can cover that easily.

that seems to be a widely held opinion on the left. Are you on the left or not? Because even without denying that they spew propaganda, I chuckle at the notion that they are the best at it. They are the worst at disguising their bias as straight news, is how I see it. And they don't seem to really be trying to disguise it, from what little I've seen of it. That's a good thing.

The best boss I ever had was one who would put you on the spot and dress you down in front of everybody if you screwed up. He was an a-hole in that regard. But you always knew where he was coming from and where you stood, and that made me respect him greatly. That's how I see the honesty of Fox compared to the insidiousness of the other outlets.

All this being said, I admit I don't watch much of any of it because I trust nothing presented as 'news' anymore.

 

[blazers]

Yeah BUT . . . the GOP would NEVER appoint one of those qualified, non-nut-job people with good values.

Instead of trying to get RFK kicked to the curb because he's only good on some things, I'm just grateful that Trump has appointed someone who might be good at anything!

Yep, could be worse... Like Oz

 

[bluetoe]

Let's consider some things people say RFK is wrong on.....

He thinks the CIA could have been involved in the assassination of JFK.

He thinks chemicals in water/food/medicines can affect gender-related feelings, development and behavior.

He thinks the GOP might have stolen the 2004 Ohio election (and with it the Electoral College outcome).

He MIGHT be wrong on all of those. But they are all plausible.

THANK YOU for this reasonable assessment and conclusion.

 

[bluetoe]

Yep, could be worse... Like Oz

if I'm ever to agree with you on something, it's this. I wouldn't hire that idiot to feed my goldfish.

 

[nctransplant]

Asking is one thing. Ignoring science then repeating ill-conceived "conclusions" is dangerous.

I love this statement from libs. But men can become women and women can become men...

 

[strummingram]

that seems to be a widely held opinion on the left. Are you on the left or not? Because even without denying that they spew propaganda, I chuckle at the notion that they are the best at it. They are the worst at disguising their bias as straight news, is how I see it. And they don't seem to really be trying to disguise it, from what little I've seen of it. That's a good thing.

The best boss I ever had was one who would put you on the spot and dress you down in front of everybody if you screwed up. He was an a-hole in that regard. But you always knew where he was coming from and where you stood, and that made me respect him greatly. That's how I see the honesty of Fox compared to the insidiousness of the other outlets.

All this being said, I admit I don't watch much of any of it because I trust nothing presented as 'news' anymore.

I'm sure they're the best.

"The honesty of Fox..." Now, that was funny!

 

[strummingram]

Yep, could be worse... Like Oz

I wanted Hulk Hogan as Secretary of Defense. I'm dead serious. I was hoping he would fill it all out with only professional celebrities with no experience in anything except being famous! Do it right!

 

[nctransplant]

that seems to be a widely held opinion on the left. Are you on the left or not? Because even without denying that they spew propaganda, I chuckle at the notion that they are the best at it. They are the worst at disguising their bias as straight news, is how I see it. And they don't seem to really be trying to disguise it, from what little I've seen of it. That's a good thing.

The best boss I ever had was one who would put you on the spot and dress you down in front of everybody if you screwed up. He was an a-hole in that regard. But you always knew where he was coming from and where you stood, and that made me respect him greatly. That's how I see the honesty of Fox compared to the insidiousness of the other outlets.

All this being said, I admit I don't watch much of any of it because I trust nothing presented as 'news' anymore.

Don't argue with the knower of all things. I've said this before.

 

[blazers]

Total votes for biden/trump 2020 about 155 million. 81283501 - 74223975

Total votes counted so far 2024 for Harris/ Trump, 153,978,954.

I remember some shit4brains posters here saying "where are the other 20 millions votes". Are you guys that dumb or just gullible?

 

[nctransplant]

Total votes for biden/trump 2020 about 155 million. 81283501 - 74223975

Total votes counted so far 2024 for Harris/ Trump, 153,978,954.

I remember some shit4brains posters here saying "where are the other 20 millions votes". Are you guys that dumb or just gullible?

 

[blazers]

Votes are still being counted, looks like Trump won fewer than 50% of Americans' votes, tightest margin of victory since Gore-Bush. Pollsters said it was going to be close.


House actually shifted blue by +2 seats. Tester and Manchin obviously flipped senate from blue to red (Pennsylvania is recounting that race).

 

[blazers]

Ah yes, @nctransplant , you lost the ignorance contest. You were one of the dipshits screaming conspiracy regarding the missing 20 million votes. Thanks for coming forward.

 

[nctransplant]

Ah yes, @nctransplant , you lost the ignorance contest. You were one of the dipshits screaming conspiracy regarding the missing 20 million votes. Thanks for coming forward.

 

[bluetoe]

I'm sure they're the best.

"The honesty of Fox..." Now, that was funny!

it's telling that you don't seem to understand the concept of honesty.

 

[strummingram]

Ah yes, @nctransplant , you lost the ignorance contest. You were one of the dipshits screaming conspiracy regarding the missing 20 million votes. Thanks for coming forward.

What "missing 20 million votes?" What was the conspiracy theory?

 

[strummingram]

it's telling that you don't seem to understand the concept of honesty.

I appreciate the results of your assessment on that. I dunno what it tells you, but I'm sure it's good stuff.

They're the most honestest...

Fox, Dominion reach $787M settlement over election claims

Fox and Dominion Voting Systems have reached a $787 million settlement in the voting machine company’s defamation lawsuit. The agreement averts a trial in a case that exposed how the top-rated network chased viewers by promoting lies about the 2020 presidential election. Dominion lawyer Justin...

apnews.com

Or, for the ones who need honesty...

FOX News Media, Dominion Voting Systems reach agreement over defamation lawsuit

FOX News Media and Dominion Voting Systems reached a multimillion-dollar agreement following a legal battle that was expected to go to trial this week.

www.foxnews.com

 

[bluetoe]

Votes are still being counted, looks like Trump won fewer than 50% of Americans' votes, tightest margin of victory since Gore-Bush. Pollsters said it was going to be close.


House actually shifted blue by +2 seats. Tester and Manchin obviously flipped senate from blue to red (Pennsylvania is recounting that race).

View embedded media

while you're at it, can you bring us up to date on the ongoing counting of illegitimate dem ballots in Pennsylvania? And I guess it behooves to point out in the above that the extra ballots coming in seem to be dem ballots. Hmmm.

 

[nctransplant]

What "missing 20 million votes?" What was the conspiracy theory?

 

[bluetoe]

I appreciate the results of your assessment on that. I dunno what it tells you, but I'm sure it's good stuff.

They're the most honestest...

Fox, Dominion reach $787M settlement over election claims

Fox and Dominion Voting Systems have reached a $787 million settlement in the voting machine company’s defamation lawsuit. The agreement averts a trial in a case that exposed how the top-rated network chased viewers by promoting lies about the 2020 presidential election. Dominion lawyer Justin...

apnews.com

Or, for the ones who need honesty...

FOX News Media, Dominion Voting Systems reach agreement over defamation lawsuit

FOX News Media and Dominion Voting Systems reached a multimillion-dollar agreement following a legal battle that was expected to go to trial this week.

www.foxnews.com

god you're such a stooge. They screwed the pooch in one instance and then rolled over on it. And that's all you've got. But but but 'billion', you'll say.... It's one instance whether it was for a dollar or a billion dollars. And I recently saw something where dems had also been pointing out the vulnerability of those machines, I can't recall if it was posted here or I saw it elsewhere; but before you cry whataboutism, the point isn't that 'they' did it too, it's that I question the basis of the settlement.

 

[nctransplant]

An old coach told me once, "People don't ask how you won but did you win."