The Brandan Williams thread evolved in to more a discussion, with some heat, of the PGs we already have for next season, felt it may be best to create a thread for that discussion and maybe leave the other one for it's initial purpose. So I started this one for the PGs we have and what I/you, everyone looks for in UNC PGs.
So what do YOU look for in a UNC PG? WE have had so many different types of PGs, the great one tend to have some similar traits but they all had/have their strengths and weaknesses. Kendal was a great passer but he was not really quick or fast, Joel was awesome but not a big assist guy nor did he have great size just as a couple examples. The traits I look for are not there in all our PGs, matter of fact if they clicked off all my boxes they pretty much would be Phil Ford and even Phil lacked great size for todays game. The traits I look for:
1) A floor leader, can see the floor as his mates find those open areas for a pass that can be easily finished. Kendal was a master of this, you run the floor and Kendal had the length and passing ability to find you. The pass covers the length of the court faster than a guy can with the dribble, maybe with the lone exception of Ty Lawson! LOL
2) Solid ball handles, tight with the dribble, been a problem for 7th, over runs his dribble at times, takes a bit to much risk at times, PG has top take care of the rock. IMO we will see J2 (Jet2) have this as a strength, a concern with Coby.
3) Stays in attack mode, does not sit back and allow the defense to dictate. Britt was IMO terrible at this, Joel was the example at times, Marcus was at times but TY and Ray, IMO were constantly looking to attack defenses, Kendal as well with the pass. I do think 7th has this attacking mindset, at times to a fault. It is a balance of knowing when to press the issue and when to pull it back and regroup and that decision has to be made in a milli-second. 7th so far has not shown that he has the grasp on this to the extent that he will need to, Britt never got it, it took TY and Ray more than just 1 season of being the unquestioned starter to get it, Kendal was amazing at this, Bobby Frazier frankly was sharp at this, Dexter came around to it more as a senior. 7th will attack but has to learn to pull back a littl emore. less risky stuff, Coby is going to struggle understanding when to pull back, J-2 will have to attack more, all IMO.
4) Ability to break down the defense with the dribble, penetrate the lane with the dribble, and either slip a pass or finish at the rim. TY, Ray, even kendal with that hesitation dribble and even Theo! Wanted Joel to work more on this, was better as a senior but it was more he finishing than slipping to his mates, I love the draw and slip for the flush to a big man myself. Ty was solid/great at this but didn't have the size to finish in the trees. Ty/Ray/Joel all had really good physical strength and kendal had great length that allowed them to finish inside. Some guys rather than finish hard over the rim give a lil floater action and put the ball high off the back board, Joel got a real knack for that especially last season, Marcus had that, Ray did, Dexter got that going some. I think Coby has this, think 7th can get better with it, going to be an issue for J2 because he does not have the physical strength and I have not yet seen him able to use the floater.
5) Jump shooting and free throw shooting.. For me our PG does not need to lead us in scoring nor does he have to be a great 3pt shooter but he does need to be able to shoot just enough to keep the defenses honest, so defenders will have to stay on him and be able to leave and double without getting burned. Kendal was not a great shooter but if you left him, his length and passing ability he played over the top and easily found guys in scoring position. Joel/Marcus/Ray were deadly 3pt shooters, Ty became 1 his last season with us, Dexter was a really good mid range shooter. So far I would say legit room for concern in this area for 7th and J2, do think Coby could call that a strength, you wil not leave him to double else where. But I do think 7th can use his size to drive if left dared to shoot with success.UNC PGs MUST hit their free throws because they should be the guys going to the lane most often.
6) Good strength/length/ability to play over the rim. Ty and Joel were not long but they were some physically strong lil jokers. Ray was good size and had good reach and strength, Marcus was not real strong but he had good length with those long arms, recall the reaches of Jet. 7th has good size, length, physical strength, other than maybe the physical strength Coby has the rest, J2 is not or was not physically a mismatch, that is area for improvement.
7) Passion to defend, refuse to back down from you, gonna get in your grill and make life hard for you. TY when he wanted to, Joel many times, Marcus at times, Ray at times, the original Jet. IMO, this is and I think will be well known a strength for 7th, I think it may be for Coby as well.
What I look for first is a kid to be in attack mode, when I see that I know, we got something, the rest can vary but I want that attacker! All this is IMO...
So what do YOU look for in a UNC PG? WE have had so many different types of PGs, the great one tend to have some similar traits but they all had/have their strengths and weaknesses. Kendal was a great passer but he was not really quick or fast, Joel was awesome but not a big assist guy nor did he have great size just as a couple examples. The traits I look for are not there in all our PGs, matter of fact if they clicked off all my boxes they pretty much would be Phil Ford and even Phil lacked great size for todays game. The traits I look for:
1) A floor leader, can see the floor as his mates find those open areas for a pass that can be easily finished. Kendal was a master of this, you run the floor and Kendal had the length and passing ability to find you. The pass covers the length of the court faster than a guy can with the dribble, maybe with the lone exception of Ty Lawson! LOL
2) Solid ball handles, tight with the dribble, been a problem for 7th, over runs his dribble at times, takes a bit to much risk at times, PG has top take care of the rock. IMO we will see J2 (Jet2) have this as a strength, a concern with Coby.
3) Stays in attack mode, does not sit back and allow the defense to dictate. Britt was IMO terrible at this, Joel was the example at times, Marcus was at times but TY and Ray, IMO were constantly looking to attack defenses, Kendal as well with the pass. I do think 7th has this attacking mindset, at times to a fault. It is a balance of knowing when to press the issue and when to pull it back and regroup and that decision has to be made in a milli-second. 7th so far has not shown that he has the grasp on this to the extent that he will need to, Britt never got it, it took TY and Ray more than just 1 season of being the unquestioned starter to get it, Kendal was amazing at this, Bobby Frazier frankly was sharp at this, Dexter came around to it more as a senior. 7th will attack but has to learn to pull back a littl emore. less risky stuff, Coby is going to struggle understanding when to pull back, J-2 will have to attack more, all IMO.
4) Ability to break down the defense with the dribble, penetrate the lane with the dribble, and either slip a pass or finish at the rim. TY, Ray, even kendal with that hesitation dribble and even Theo! Wanted Joel to work more on this, was better as a senior but it was more he finishing than slipping to his mates, I love the draw and slip for the flush to a big man myself. Ty was solid/great at this but didn't have the size to finish in the trees. Ty/Ray/Joel all had really good physical strength and kendal had great length that allowed them to finish inside. Some guys rather than finish hard over the rim give a lil floater action and put the ball high off the back board, Joel got a real knack for that especially last season, Marcus had that, Ray did, Dexter got that going some. I think Coby has this, think 7th can get better with it, going to be an issue for J2 because he does not have the physical strength and I have not yet seen him able to use the floater.
5) Jump shooting and free throw shooting.. For me our PG does not need to lead us in scoring nor does he have to be a great 3pt shooter but he does need to be able to shoot just enough to keep the defenses honest, so defenders will have to stay on him and be able to leave and double without getting burned. Kendal was not a great shooter but if you left him, his length and passing ability he played over the top and easily found guys in scoring position. Joel/Marcus/Ray were deadly 3pt shooters, Ty became 1 his last season with us, Dexter was a really good mid range shooter. So far I would say legit room for concern in this area for 7th and J2, do think Coby could call that a strength, you wil not leave him to double else where. But I do think 7th can use his size to drive if left dared to shoot with success.UNC PGs MUST hit their free throws because they should be the guys going to the lane most often.
6) Good strength/length/ability to play over the rim. Ty and Joel were not long but they were some physically strong lil jokers. Ray was good size and had good reach and strength, Marcus was not real strong but he had good length with those long arms, recall the reaches of Jet. 7th has good size, length, physical strength, other than maybe the physical strength Coby has the rest, J2 is not or was not physically a mismatch, that is area for improvement.
7) Passion to defend, refuse to back down from you, gonna get in your grill and make life hard for you. TY when he wanted to, Joel many times, Marcus at times, Ray at times, the original Jet. IMO, this is and I think will be well known a strength for 7th, I think it may be for Coby as well.
What I look for first is a kid to be in attack mode, when I see that I know, we got something, the rest can vary but I want that attacker! All this is IMO...
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