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[strummingram]

Read the article. Learn something about history and religious doctrine. No Christian really believes the only good person of some group is a dead person. If you knew anything about Christianity, you'd know that.

But you know very little about either Christianity, Islam or paganism and my guess is any religion. Nor do you know much about history in these areas. Also note the writer properly primarily credits Christian preachers with religious liberty here in America, not the enlightenment.

I read your article. I don't really care to get too involved in any of these religious clubs. No one has the same interpretation. I see Catholics and Protestants (like Sunnis and Shias) fight each other and they have the same Savior! It's more fun to watch all of you fight over which invisible deity has the biggest d*ck, essentially.

God requires NOTHING from us. God needs nothing! WE are God, we are all the body of God. Everything you see. The entire Universe is all ONE THING! It's just taking time for all of the souls to figure it all out. Some take longer than others. I think they cling to their religions and choose them over God. Not intentionally, or with malice, but they choose them just the same.

 

[strummingram]

What a transparent and fake way to try to claim the moral high ground. The way you keep comparing yourself to Jesus is more than a little troubling and sick.

Why? I am exactly like Jesus. Jesus even said as much. So are you. I am no less sacred to God than Jesus or you, or Adolf Hitler. Scripture teaches me this. God does not love one part of God's own creation more or less than the other. God loves the good AND the bad. Without the bad, you can never measure what you call good.

The idea that you, or me, are less than Jesus, in the eyes of God, is teh result of RELIGIOUS doctrine. It is vital to religion to have people thinking that they are subservient and imperfect and beneath the Pope, or the Preacher, or the Rabbi, or the Archbishop, or the "Savior." We are ALL sons and daughters of God just like Jesus of Nazareth. Not all of us display that, however. Jesus was a rogue to the established religion. Very cool!

It's not fake, either. I mean it, believe it with everything I am.

 

[strummingram]

Somehow I doubt you'd forgive them. The best a Christian would say is he would by the grace of God.

I'm sure you doubt it, because you couldn't do it. Jesus gave you the example... follow it. Maybe I'm not a Christian since that's not the "best I would say." I'm not convinced Jesus ever wanted a religion built up around him! But, that won't stop those who thought he was a tuned-in guy, which he was. Religions, as conduits to God, have very ambiguous results from my seat.

 

[tazki]

I read your article. I don't really care to get too involved in any of these religious clubs. No one has the same interpretation. I see Catholics and Protestants (like Sunnis and Shias) fight each other and they have the same Savior! It's more fun to watch all of you fight over which invisible deity has the biggest d*ck, essentially.

God requires NOTHING from us. God needs nothing! WE are God, we are all the body of God. Everything you see. The entire Universe is all ONE THING! It's just taking time for all of the souls to figure it all out. Some take longer than others. I think they cling to their religions and choose them over God. Not intentionally, or with malice, but they choose them just the same.

That entire response is entirely false. "WE are God"? that is so pitifully sad.

 

[strummingram]

That entire response is entirely false. "WE are God"? that is so pitifully sad.

That's because you worship your religion. I don't. But, you will realize it one day... all of us will, eventually. There's no "wrong way" to go. It just takes time.

 

[tazki]

That's because you worship your religion. I don't. But, you will realize it one day... all of us will, eventually. There's no "wrong way" to go. It just takes time.

I worship God Almighty because he sent Christ so those of us that accept Him shall have eternal life. Nothing you say will ever change that.

 

[strummingram]

I worship God Almighty because he sent Christ so those of us that accept Him shall have eternal life. Nothing you say will ever change that.

I said "there is no wrong way to go." I'm not trying to "change that." I can't change it. Just try to be more aware of how much your thoughts, beliefs and statements are rooted in you religious doctrine and how much comes for your soul. Your soul is your own intuition, your instincts, your "gut feeling" etc. That is God in you, in me, in all of us. We cannot deny God. There's no reason to even want to.

Religion is a much more tricky game to play. Religions' are institutionalized and therefore must keep the people in line and dictate behaviors and even beliefs.

 

[strummingram]

That entire response is entirely false. "WE are God"? that is so pitifully sad.

John 10:34

Psalm 82:6

 

[prlyles]

Here is a link to a very good talk gave by Putin. Thoughts?

 

[randman1]

I'm sure you doubt it, because you couldn't do it. Jesus gave you the example... follow it. Maybe I'm not a Christian since that's not the "best I would say." I'm not convinced Jesus ever wanted a religion built up around him! But, that won't stop those who thought he was a tuned-in guy, which he was. Religions, as conduits to God, have very ambiguous results from my seat.

Wrong again. I doubt it because you said it. In tough times and hard instances, the gospel is that God can empower one to do what a human being normally cannot do in his own strength.

You were bragging about being able to do something in your own strength; hence my doubting you would.

But perhaps you have been faced with extremely difficult circumstances or having your life on the line literally and know you have the power on your own to do whatever you imagine you would want to? Pray tell us about that.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

I say talk to the Russians, the Iranians, the Turks, the Kurds, the rest of NATO and assemble a coalition dedicated to WIPING OUT ISIS. No containment, no patty-cake. WIPE THEM OUT.

 

[randman1]

I read your article. I don't really care to get too involved in any of these religious clubs. No one has the same interpretation. I see Catholics and Protestants (like Sunnis and Shias) fight each other and they have the same Savior! It's more fun to watch all of you fight over which invisible deity has the biggest d*ck, essentially.

God requires NOTHING from us. God needs nothing! WE are God, we are all the body of God. Everything you see. The entire Universe is all ONE THING! It's just taking time for all of the souls to figure it all out. Some take longer than others. I think they cling to their religions and choose them over God. Not intentionally, or with malice, but they choose them just the same.

So you don't care to be informed? Guess we all knew that, but it's pathetic for you to declare your motive for remaining ignorant of history and religions affecting the world has to do with your desire not to join a club, especially when the writer of the article trying to inform ignorant folks like yourself is an atheist and not member of any "club" as you say it.

As far as the rest of your post, more intellectual illogic and pathetic slogans designed to appease a person desperate to cling to something in order avoid truth and t's complexity and simplicity on a larger scale.

You don't talk, live and act like we are all One Thing. Yet you cling to that. You assert God wants nothing from us; that we and everything is God without knowing that. Sure, we all live and move and have our being in God.

Doesn't mean He is merely some impersonal force. Your Star Wars theology is weak.

 

[randman1]

Why? I am exactly like Jesus. Jesus even said as much. So are you. I am no less sacred to God than Jesus or you, or Adolf Hitler. Scripture teaches me this. God does not love one part of God's own creation more or less than the other. God loves the good AND the bad. Without the bad, you can never measure what you call good.

The idea that you, or me, are less than Jesus, in the eyes of God, is teh result of RELIGIOUS doctrine. It is vital to religion to have people thinking that they are subservient and imperfect and beneath the Pope, or the Preacher, or the Rabbi, or the Archbishop, or the "Savior." We are ALL sons and daughters of God just like Jesus of Nazareth. Not all of us display that, however. Jesus was a rogue to the established religion. Very cool!

It's not fake, either. I mean it, believe it with everything I am.

It is fake. It's seeking to use a principle in a reductionist manner that eliminates much of what the principle is really about. For example, though God does love mankind, He doesn't consider everything sacred in the way you talk of it.

Is rape sacred? How about murder? Well, why not? Isn't that part of creation? Your theology would mean morality does not exist. After all, that would entail differing between what is sacred and profane and common.

What you flush down the toilet every day is as logically sacred then as your soul? Don't agree? Why? God loves all of His creation, right? So why do you consider your soul more sacred than your dung?

 

[randman1]

Strum, you are like someone that looks at a great painting, say a beautiful Monet, and says you think a coloring book that tells you just to draw inside the lines is better, and yet in your smugness you think you are sophisticated. You ignore the drama and struggle for reality and truth of those that went before you and declare I am smart, sophisticated and that's just organized religion.

The truth is you want to attach yourself to some smidgen of intellectual sloganism to provide you the comfort of ignoring the hard work of soul-searching and grappling with reality.

 

[strummingram]

Strum, you are like someone that looks at a great painting, say a beautiful Monet, and says you think a coloring book that tells you just to draw inside the lines is better, and yet in your smugness you think you are sophisticated. You ignore the drama and struggle for reality and truth of those that went before you and declare I am smart, sophisticated and that's just organized religion.

The truth is you want to attach yourself to some smidgen of intellectual sloganism to provide you the comfort of ignoring the hard work of soul-searching and grappling with reality.

As long as that made sense to you, that's all that matters.

 

[strummingram]

It is fake. It's seeking to use a principle in a reductionist manner that eliminates much of what the principle is really about. For example, though God does love mankind, He doesn't consider everything sacred in the way you talk of it.

Is rape sacred? How about murder? Well, why not? Isn't that part of creation? Your theology would mean morality does not exist. After all, that would entail differing between what is sacred and profane and common.

What you flush down the toilet every day is as logically sacred then as your soul? Don't agree? Why? God loves all of His creation, right? So why do you consider your soul more sacred than your dung?

It's all relative... all of it. There's what works and what doesn't work. Right and Wrong are creations of human beings based on our experiences. They change all the time, and will continue to change. People rape and murder all the time and they justify it and it's not rape or murder... to them. I've seen governments use euphemisms to conceal what I would consider crimes. They don't murder, they neutralize. It's all relative in this plane of existence.

You tell me God doesn't consider it all sacred, I say God does. Neither of us can prove that to the other. You can cite verses from an ancient manuscript that a man wrote and has been translated a hundred times over 20 centuries, but that's still not proof... it's what you believe, and what I believe.

Yes, God loves all of God's creation. I don't think God has a penis, so I refrain from the "him" pronoun. Believe it or not, when you constantly refer to God as him, he, his, and every other masculine-specific reference, you create a human male (or Super Male) image in your subconscious mind. He's have penises. He's are males.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

"It's all relative. All of it." That is hom-strum in a nutshell.

 

[tazki]

" Right and Wrong are creations of human beings based on our experiences. They change all the time"

Just WOW. Unbelievable.

 

[heelmanwilm]

" Right and Wrong are creations of human beings based on our experiences. They change all the time"

Just WOW. Unbelievable.

Well i agree. Right and wrong are our creations based on religious and other experiences. And they do change. I dont know whats unbelievable about that. Did u sacrifice a goat saturday to redeem your sins? Does your church allow women to attend while menstruating? Do u drink snake venom? Is amplified music demonic? Do u condone slaughtering millions of american natives based on the doctrine of manifest destiny? ALL those things were considered "right" by the church at one time.

 

[tazki]

So who's to say the Paris deal is wrong? Based on that belief it may be ok. There is right and wrong and it really does not change.

 

[strummingram]

So who's to say the Paris deal is wrong? Based on that belief it may be ok. There is right and wrong and it really does not change.

"Right" is only right by what we measure, or identify, to be "wrong." It's ALWAYS changing. I don't think anyone here is of the opinion that what happened in Paris is "right."

The contrast must be there so we can cherish what we consider to be right, or correct, or good, or any other simile. That is why I know God loves the bad as much as the good. Without sadness there is no joy. Without sick there is no healthy. They're both necessary for us to be able to experience them. Sometimes I think wars and genocides occur so human beings can experience the depth or extreme to which they are capable so they understand that it works better to avoid them. That is why I am so glad for the example of Jesus Christ. He personifies forgiveness and love with no limits. God loves with no limits.

 

[tazki]

God hates evil Strum.

 

[strummingram]

God hates evil Strum.

God does not hate. There is no hate outside of this plane of existence. God allows us to create our own experience. God experiences itself through us. I think God is just part of an even larger universe. It's totally unfathomable by our minds. I firmly believe we are three-part beings. As there is the Father/Son/Holy Spirit, I believe we are all a Mind, body and Soul. The Soul is the part that is really in charge. Our mind and body are just vehicles for the soul. Our Soul is what is literally a "part" of God. We have never been separated from God. Our soul binds us to God eternally/for eternity. I just think very few of us know that when we occupy these shells. I believe we come back again and again until we finally get it right and remember that we are, and always have been, part of a much bigger entity than our earthly minds can ever truly understand.

 

[tazki]

I feel so enlightened.

 

[strummingram]

One thing I've always noticed about the ancient religions; they always personify God as a what amounts to a monarch- a King. It makes sense that they would, since when the religions were started... that's what ruled them- KINGS! But, they made God a king... A very insecure, insidious monarch at that. It's always a "him" and HE always needs to be worshiped and gets jealous and demands obedience and will only reward you with his grace if you do his bidding. That sounds like a man to me. That is hardly the description of a deity. I don't feel benevolent to that. God is far more amazing than that. God is perfect by itself. God needs nothing at all. And, the notion that God would create it's polar opposite- The "Devil"- that could somehow usurp the whole plan, is absurd to me. It sounds like something people made up in order to try and make sense of our existence. It's just taking time for it to finally become an obsolete way of thinking.

 

[strummingram]

http://mashable.com/2014/09/22/notinmyname-muslims-anti-isis-social-media-campaign/#tR9pMfynqiqQ

Muslims Launch Powerful Social Media Campaign Against ISIS With #NotInMyName

 

[heelmanwilm]

So who's to say the Paris deal is wrong? Based on that belief it may be ok. There is right and wrong and it really does not change.

Lol. How many thousand examples of right and wrong changing would u like? Not saying it changes overnight and some things will certainly remain "wrong" for eternity. As for paris, yea its wrong. To US. To me its wrong. BUT Its not to them. AND THAT MAKES IT RELATIVE. American indians killing white men was right to the Indians. Crusades, holocaust, vietnam, on and on and on. Everyone has their own absolute truth. Me and u and everyone in here prob share similar beliefs on what that is. But theres literally MILLIONS of people who dont. Because its RElATIVE. You're in denial of basic facts here.

 

[heelmanwilm]

God hates evil Strum.

Yes God hates evil. ISIS will tell u the exact same thing taz. They'll quote from their book. They'll give dozens of examples justifying it. They'll tell stories of near death experiences and seeing allah. They'll tell u about the time allah saved them from the tornado and made someones leg longer and healed their grandmas consumption. And they are 100% as convinced as u are that they're right.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

Heaven and Earth will pass away, but God's Word will never pass away.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

Kerry says the Charlie Hebdo attacks earlier in the year had a "rationale", that they were "understandable"... Obama calls the attacks a "setback"... Back in 2012, Obama referred to ISIS as "JV"...We do not have the right leadership in place to deal with the threat that ISIS poses.

 

[DeanFor President]

Five Syrians bound for the US were just arrested in Honduras. Fake Greek passports.

I'm sure they were just coming here for a better life.

 

[tazki]

Bottom line we have a freakin community organizer that hates this country and is very partial to Muslims. Wonder why? Like we don't know. I detest that guy.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

Eight Syrians were caught trying to enter the US in the Laredo sector, along with another that was caught using a stolen passport... But, we're gonna let 10,000 in through the front door...

 

[keysersosay#1]

Obama does NOT care about the safety and security of you and me

There are almost 1000 FBI investigations going on into ISIS related people in the US right now, he wants to increase the number allowed in to 10k and add even more over time. Anyone who believes ONE word this guy and his staff of hacks, stooges and sycophants say about their "tough aggressive and thorough vetting" of these "refugees" is completely delusional.


BTW, Eight Syrian "refugees" were just caught trying to illegally enter at the Texas border

 

[heelmanwilm]

During a soccer match between turkey and italy they held a moment of silence for the paris attacks. The turk fans are plainly heard booing and chanting allah akbahr.

 

[DeanFor President]

But they're just like Christians! All religions are the same! You know, except for the beheading, genital mutilations, subjugation of women, killing of gays, honor killings, rape,
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, the way that Christians insist that adherents of all other religions convert to Christianity or die, or feel themselves subdued and pay the non-Christian tax.
I can't believe you can't see this.

 

[DeanFor President]

I guess we need to admit we were wrong about the moderate muslims not speaking out against the jihadis. A muslim group organized a rally in Paris yesterday to protest the killings, and all five million French muslims came out in strident condemnation of the attacks, and said that they stand united with France against radical Isla........what's that?
Huh? .........You're telling me only 30 Muslims actually showed up to the rally? Oh, well....um....

Never mind.