Puttin in some work

[alabamaheel]

great to see from our guys. Also, I know that we have had several "known shooters" come in recent days, but his consistency seems better than most. I do know that high school marksmen don't always translate into the college game, but I also kow that when a person can hit several in a row even in a workout, that he has potential. I'm excited to see all our new guys, and I'm just hoping that AP can be the one fresh that we have waited on so long to just LIGHT IT UP.

 

[pln2013]

Platek is the type of player about whom I'll never be worried when he's in the game, even early. He'll have his limitations on both sides, but he'll never lose you a game. Player like that are never appreciated like they should be. If you play him with 4 "more talented" players, that unit will function very well.

 

[Archer2]

He'll eventually be an important part of our rotation. Underrated IMO.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Just dern glad he's a Heel.

 

[Archer2]

Just dern glad he's a Heel.

Me too Mike. I have a good feeling about this kid. Gary's high on him and I respect his opinion.

 

[Heeelz46]

lol

 

[RoseHeel]

I feel most confident about him out of the other 3 * on the team tbh.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

lol

Really?

 

[gary-7]

He'll eventually be an important part of our rotation. Underrated IMO.

Very much so, Arch.

And I'm gonna reiterate a scouting report I gave before he commited.
- UNC fans should NOT think of Andrew as just a spot-up shooter. He has all-around game.
- He is deceptively athletic and very smooth in his movements with great fundamentals in his footwork. As a buddy who coached against him put it, "his shoulders are aready square by the time the ball gets to him".
- Clint put it nicely that he is a "willing defender'. He's very savvy, understands the team-D concept and is willing to work hard on the defensive end. His biggest challenge will be guarding smaller quick guys.
- He's a solid 6'4 with a nice frame. He's also a year older than the typical freshman.
- He has a terrific BBall IQ and, originally coming from a small school, has played every position from the 1 thru 4 in his HS/AAU career.
- The Bobby Frasor comparisons are pretty danged good in a lot of ways. The biggest (superficial) difference is that Bobby played at a high-profile big-city program and was a 4/5* Burger Boy. Andrew was hidden away in a nondiscript program and didn't get any attention until he reclassifed backwards and transferred to his current private school.
- Speaking of Bobby, here's a hidden bonus with AP (and keep this in mind for later): He comes iin as a 2, but if JB had gone pro, Andrew would have been our second best PG this coming season (next to Jalek). Kid has terrific vision and anticipation, and instinctively understands spacing. Plays the position like he was born to it.

 

[gary-7]

Really?

Par for the course with that one, Mikey... or should I say "bogey"?...

 

[Archer2]

Really?

He doesn't seem to be able to help himself. Can't just agree to disagree for some reason.

 

[dadika13]

The thing I like most about him that most don't seem to mention is that Northfield Mount Herman played a ridiculously tough schedule against top programs and he played with 4 other D1 players. It will make his adjustment to the ACC easier than most.

 

[DSouthr]

Roy will find him some minutes but the problem this kid is going to have is he is in a position that we are really well stocked and very deep. I do think both Jalek and 7th get the back up PG minutes with Jalek getting a lot of the back up minutes at the 2 (could start at some point). I do think Roy will get BRob solid minutes, of course Kenny gets solid minutes and IMO starts at the 2.

That makes Platek the 4th option at the 1 or the 2 and in that you become Stillman, a kid that can play but so much talent in front of you PT is hard to come by.

 

[Heeelz46]

He doesn't seem to be able to help himself. Can't just agree to disagree for some reason.

Hey you guys wanna keep bean bagging each others foreheads over recruits that Roy normally wouldnt even give a second glance at if not for desperation then be my guest. I just find the twisting around of these guys true ability level by some here fascinating and sort of funny, hence my "lol".

I mean theres a thread upstream about a 6'10 walkon and the usual suspects giving the most ridiculous "scouting reports" I think Ive ever seen. Its amusing. You let me know the last time Roy purposefully brought in 4 guys ranked well below 100 and a super duper promising walkon who was signed with mighty Dartmouth and Ill shut up. If it werent for procuring Cam Johnson, this class wouldve been an outright disaster.

 

[dadika13]

Hey you guys wanna keep bean bagging each others foreheads over recruits that Roy normally wouldnt even give a second glance at if not for desperation then be my guest. I just find the twisting around of these guys true ability level by some here fascinating and sort of funny, hence my "lol".

I mean theres a thread upstream about a 6'10 walkon and the usual suspects giving the most ridiculous "scouting reports" I think Ive ever seen. Its amusing. You let me know the last time Roy purposefully brought in 4 guys ranked well below 100 and a super duper promising walkon who was signed with mighty Dartmouth and Ill shut up. If it werent for procuring Cam Johnson, this class wouldve been an outright disaster.

Soooo...normally I agree with you about our recruiting, but in Platek, I think you're wrong.

We've BEGGED Roy to recruit kids like this...kids who hit 5 three's against us for the likes of Davidson, Butler, etc. A role player who will step in and knock down open shots. Platek is a great addition.

But the Miller posts are garbage, agree there.

 

[Heeelz46]

Soooo...normally I agree with you about our recruiting, but in Platek, I think you're wrong.

We've BEGGED Roy to recruit kids like this...kids who hit 5 three's against us for the likes of Davidson, Butler, etc. A role player who will step in and knock down open shots. Platek is a great addition.

But the Miller posts are garbage, agree there.

To me in every clip Ive seen he looks slow, has a slow release, and his body type is..weird. I grant you he appears to be able to shoot the ball with some consistency but looking at our roster I am wondering where his minutes will ever come from. I cant compare him to say Kenny williams in high school-Kenny was much further along.

Again my point wasnt to necessarily single out Andrew but the class as a whole. I have a difficult time with posters who have watched for 13 ye ars as Roy has done it a certain way with a certain type of recruit. To just not acknowledge that this is a drastic departure is..weird. And then to pump up these guys creates unrealistic expectations. Having one or two of these type of players in a class is an unkown with Roy-and if we do have them they are usually accompanied by some very elite recruits. This class has 4.

 

[2DDIMOND]

Hey you guys wanna keep bean bagging each others foreheads over recruits that Roy normally wouldnt even give a second glance at if not for desperation then be my guest. I just find the twisting around of these guys true ability level by some here fascinating and sort of funny, hence my "lol".

I mean theres a thread upstream about a 6'10 walkon and the usual suspects giving the most ridiculous "scouting reports" I think Ive ever seen. Its amusing. You let me know the last time Roy purposefully brought in 4 guys ranked well below 100 and a super duper promising walkon who was signed with mighty Dartmouth and Ill shut up. If it werent for procuring Cam Johnson, this class wouldve been an outright disaster.

Many thought the '15 class was a disaster as well, possibly one of our worst in history. One member of that class has already hit a game winner that is largely responsible for us winning a National Championship. & both members of that class have played in as many National Championship games as possible, & more than any other current college basketball player not playing for UNC.

 

[Heeelz46]

Many thought the '15 class was a disaster as well, possibly one of our worst in history. One member of that class has already hit a game winner that is largely responsible for us winning a National Championship. & both members of that class have played in as many National Championship games as possible, & more than any other current college basketball player not playing for UNC.

The exception that proves the rule. Naming the ONE guy who has had that type of impact -all that does is sort of prove my point.

And pointing out that class isnt really relevant-as it wasnt a class with any huge needs. Look, if next years class ends up being stout and guys like robinson and woods make good jumps then this years class wont be a huge deal. But I can both acknowledge that this class isnt all roses while still seeing that it can be made up for next year.

 

[dadika13]

To me in every clip Ive seen he looks slow, has a slow release, and his body type is..weird. I grant you he appears to be able to shoot the ball with some consistency but looking at our roster I am wondering where his minutes will ever come from. I cant compare him to say Kenny williams in high school-Kenny was much further along.

Again my point wasnt to necessarily single out Andrew but the class as a whole. I have a difficult time with posters who have watched for 13 ye ars as Roy has done it a certain way with a certain type of recruit. To just not acknowledge that this is a drastic departure is..weird. And then to pump up these guys creates unrealistic expectations. Having one or two of these type of players in a class is an unkown with Roy-and if we do have them they are usually accompanied by some very elite recruits. This class has 4.

His release is low, not slow.

As for the other guys in the class...I agree with you on Manley and Huff. We usually have 4* Meeks/Brice type guys to go along with Jalek and Platek. It's the way of the world now until the NCAA shit clears.

Agree with you also on certain posters hyping up guys who have no business being hyped up.

 

[Heeelz46]

His release is low, not slow.

As for the other guys in the class...I agree with you on Manley and Huff. We usually have 4* Meeks/Brice type guys to go along with Jalek and Platek. It's the way of the world now until the NCAA shit clears.

Agree with you also on certain posters hyping up guys who have no business being hyped up.

Im loving that we got Cam johnson. I think we will once again be competitive due to Berry and Pin coming back. But looking beyond next season, if the recruiting doesnt(especially in the post) pick back up to a level we are accustomed to then we will be relying on the guys in this class to maintain. We will be lucky if we have 2 4-5 star guys on the whole roster at that point.(White and Felton).

I really dont get the people who are just loving we are signing all of this very raw unskilled talent in the post.. Those are roster spots being occupied for 3 and more than likely 4 years.

edited to replace Black with White.

 

[pln2013]

I feel like Maye has been anointed way too soon.

And I say that as someone who thought highly of him well before we signed him. I defended him his first year when folks were saying he should never see the floor. I'd still be defending him if his (unfair) critics hadn't been silenced. His games in the regional were huge. His shot was one of the biggest in program history. His legacy is already cemented.

But he still hasn't proven that he's a reliable contributor.

He had 33 points in 45 minutes in the regional, sure. But in the Final Four, he had 2 points and 6 fouls in 23 minutes. He has physical traits (athleticism, an exceptionally short wingspan) that limit what he can do on both sides. He fouled as much as Hicks.

I'm not trying to disparage Maye. Again, I'm a big fan. He absolutely has a role on an elite team. But you're not going to build an elite team out of players like Luke Maye and Kenny Williams. You build an elite team with players like Marcus Paige, Brice Johnson, Isaiah Hicks, Kennedy Meeks, Joel Berry, Theo Pinson, and Justin Jackson. 4- and 5-star players, only one of whom left early! Luke Maye and Kenny Williams have roles to play, but you don't build an elite program by consistently recruiting like we did in '15 or '17.

 

[dadika13]

I'm not trying to disparage Maye. Again, I'm a big fan. He absolutely has a role on an elite team. But you're not going to build an elite team out of players like Luke Maye and Kenny Williams. You build an elite team with players like Marcus Paige, Brice Johnson, Isaiah Hicks, Kennedy Meeks, Joel Berry, Theo Pinson, and Justin Jackson. 4- and 5-star players, only one of whom left early! Luke Maye and Kenny Williams have roles to play, but you don't build an elite program by consistently recruiting like we did in '15 or '17.

This is 1000% accurate and I honestly don't understand how people think differently.

They point to our title this season as "proof" that lousy classes can win titles. They forget the 2014 class was a top 3 class according to some rankings to go along with a 5* and a 4* in 2013.

 

[pln2013]

This is 1000% accurate and I honestly don't understand how people think differently.

They point to our title this season as "proof" that lousy classes can win titles. They forget the 2014 class was a top 3 class according to some rankings to go along with a 5* and a 4* in 2013.

Not only was '14 a top class, it had ridiculous retention. It's super rare to see guys ranked that high stay for 3-4 years. That combination of talent and experience was exceptional. What the championship "proves" is that top talent and experience is a pretty good combination. It doesn't prove that Roy can turn lead into gold.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Roy proved he could turn Chaos into Order in '05; Division into Unity in '09; Despair into Joy in '17 so.....

Lead into Gold doesn't sound so hard to me!

No matter how hard peeps scour the numbers to prove that Roy "ain't nothing special" or how many objective reasons that might discount his accomplishments; the Old Boy just keeps pumping out the victory! Society, Players, Basketball, Rules, Recruiting, and Coaching all change rapidly, you know what the constant is.....Roy winning!

Next year Roy will win some more, and it won't be because of his genius strategies, or his staffs ability to maximize skills, or his ability to recruit, or putting the right players in at the right time! There will be a more obvious reason like refs favoring UNC, or Roy held his players back so he had experience, or wasn't he lucky that X coach left his school or X recruit fell into his lap or X opponent got hurt or the entire NCAA was down or maybe the game passed him by so far it came full circle!

It's Good to be the King!
Thanks Roy!

 

[heels05champs]

I feel like Maye has been anointed way too soon.

And I say that as someone who thought highly of him well before we signed him. I defended him his first year when folks were saying he should never see the floor. I'd still be defending him if his (unfair) critics hadn't been silenced. His games in the regional were huge. His shot was one of the biggest in program history. His legacy is already cemented.

But he still hasn't proven that he's a reliable contributor.

He had 33 points in 45 minutes in the regional, sure. But in the Final Four, he had 2 points and 6 fouls in 23 minutes. He has physical traits (athleticism, an exceptionally short wingspan) that limit what he can do on both sides. He fouled as much as Hicks.

I'm not trying to disparage Maye. Again, I'm a big fan. He absolutely has a role on an elite team. But you're not going to build an elite team out of players like Luke Maye and Kenny Williams. You build an elite team with players like Marcus Paige, Brice Johnson, Isaiah Hicks, Kennedy Meeks, Joel Berry, Theo Pinson, and Justin Jackson. 4- and 5-star players, only one of whom left early! Luke Maye and Kenny Williams have roles to play, but you don't build an elite program by consistently recruiting like we did in '15 or '17.

Absolutely spot on. It blows my mind that people can't see this. What we're gonna see over the next few years is uncharted territory for Roy at UNC and is nothing we've dealt with in his 13 years here. By this I mean, lack of dominant bigs with the scoring threats all being on the perimeter.