Quick stuff (Pitt game 2)...

[gary-7]

...and this one should never have been this close, but what else is new?

Let's get ths outta the way: Any usual suspect who wants to come on here and give me sh** for talking about the zebras, lemme just go ahead and give you a preemptive GFY. These scrubs were terrible and were a bug reason this one was ever close. With that said, when we actually DID get to the FT line, we damn near missed our way to a loss.

- so... we jumped out early by actually doing something I've been harping on until I'm Carolina blue in the face --- WE USED THE DAMN POST!... and not just on PnRs. We actually started possessions with a block presence. And whattayaknow, inside-out works. Who'd-a-thunk?...

- Granted, we were collectively rusty at feeding the post on time (hmm... wonder why?), but doing it enabled Lubin to put up a career game for his time here.

- Meanwhile, we also did something that I was about to lose my mind over for missing over and over previously --- we took advantage of up/down mismatches with VERTICAL action.

- This early improved approach looked to be on its way to producing a big lead (and maybe a more comfortable game for a change), but no such luck, as the afrorementioned scrubs took away our PG with one of THE most incompletent calls I've ever seen (but hey, I'm sure there are some on message boards who'll find a way to blame Eliot ) .

- The bad news is we reverted too much to some old offensive habits in the 2nd half play-calling. And far too often we were ending up with RJ having to take bail-out shots. Fortunately today, he made some big ones.

- Defensively, (with the exceptions of leaving stretch shooters on over-help and a few late rotations) on one hand our Man was better today... BUT, there were multiple ops to be multiple. In fact, one of the two times we ran 30 we damn near sealed the game when Drake's deflection gave us a chance for a TO that barely escaped our grasp. At least, it shortened the clock and we got the stop to win it. Please Hubert, USE your arsena!

- Speaking of Drake, he was vital in the win, especially on a day when Ian reverted back to dazed frosh.

- Seth busted his ass on D, including trying to get the rock on that last trap --- and on another day in which we were outsized, Seth led us in rebounds. I just wish he wouldn't always resort to that spin move --- just ball-fake and use those hops!

- It should also be noted that we often were stuck defending drives enabled by forearm shivers and hook-and-hold "screens"

- Finally, back to EC --- to his credit, Hubert didn't let the 3rd foul influence him and sure enough, the little guy was key in carrying us home, as our offense bogged down in his absence. Despite being hit or hacked on nearly every possession, EC created down the stretch, making their goofy Big hafta pick up his jockstrap and then floating that sweet go-ahead dime to Lubin, and then getting the clinching stop. BTW, contrary to whatever UNC's lame-ass stat guy wrote down, EC had 8 dimes for the day.

Anyway, no, this one shouldn't have been this close, but I'll take it, and we did some things I hope we continue (especially the vertical actions) --- just wish we'd use everything we have from here on out...

 

[39 Feet Above Sea Level]

Gary, damn straight correct about the refs, sir. Elliot’s second foul? Did he even touch the Pitt player?
A horrible call puts EC on the bench; our offense clunks around, we give back a lead by going cold.
We have seen this plenty of times this season. Had he fouled him, then OK. But, come on!

 

[NorCalTarheel]

I have said it before, I am not a guy to blame the refs but holy smokes! I typed in the game thread that their baby giraffe fell over his own feet while EC watched and then was whistled for the foul. Ridiculous! I do wonder if we would get more calls if we stop throwing our head back every time someone burps or farts. We look like a bunch of goddamn pez dispensers and to me it looks like we are soft and begging for calls.

This may have been the closest thing to Carolina basketball I have seen this season. We ran and we utilized the post, even though he was usually 6 inches shorter than his opponent.

I thought Seth's defense was the difference throughout the game. He and Drake more than made up for a poor showing by Ian. Imagine if all of our players played well on the same day!

Anyway, a win is a win and I will take it, especially against Pitt.

 

[r_u_worthy]

Thanks G, I wasn’t able to watch the game today but I am glad to hear the vertical O made an appearance. I was hoping hear that being more multiple did as well. I guess that will have to be an ongoing desire. Appreciate the summary as always!

 

[sdingeldein]

I was sitting close to the floor and that was one of the worst officiated games I've seen. They made 3 bad calls in the run that Pitt had to make the game close at halftime.

 

[dtodd4475]

I give Hubert and the staff credit for adjusting the attack after the first Pitt game. They quickly and intentionally attacked the mismatch when Lubin got a guard switched onto him as Pitt is prone to do. Lubin had a field day when with the mismatches.

RJ has been very solid of late, still the only create your own scorer, still being chased and shadowed non stop, but he has been efficient.

Drake was very, very, good. His length and dee was huge, plus the clutch 3's.

Won a game where we were out rebounded, had less 3's, and less free throws made. That's tough to do, but snuck it out. Hustled their behinds off, and needed every bit of it.

Free throws were atrocious, even without the last 2 front ends missed. Lunin looked like he was all nerves prior to his rocket off the back iron.

I like that we did not allow a free straight line run on their last backcourt inbound. Wasn't perfect, but much better than ND and Stanford atrocities in that situation.

Desperate for that win, and eked it out. Gotta string some together now.

 

[ScotlandcountyHeel]

I watched game and as always the officiating was terrible. We etched out a win and I'm glad for that. However I didn't see any difference from a f.c.k.d up season. Time for a change. Time for a new coach. Time for a new era.

 

[gary-7]

I like that we did not allow a free straight line run on their last backcourt inbound. Wasn't perfect, but much better than ND and Stanford atrocities in that situation.

100% this ^.

 

[montana_heel]

Good analysis. Drake was very very good today. Seth was very good as well.

I know JWash doesn't have the moves in the post but shouldn't we at least get it to him just make the defenders look at the post. He isn't required to shoot it just because it gets there.

Interested in others opinions on that subject.

People haven't been riding Cadeau because you like him Gary. It's been done because he isn't fulfilling his role as good as he can or at least as good as we thought he could. Turns out it's not just us if you listen to ex players. Guess we can't chalk it up to us just not being smart enough to know basketball. He can be and at times is a real force.

Hope he is back next year. A taller defensive unit would help him a lot, might as well wish for a top 75 3 point unit shooting team as well.

 

[ScotlandcountyHeel]

Cadeau is a good player. A lot better than me. But he just an average pg compared to other pgs at unc. If he was great we would have a better record. Hubert please recruit unc a pg that can lead us to the promised land. At least to to the NCAA tournament.

 

[gary-7]

Good analysis. Drake was very very good today. Seth was very good as well.

I know JWash doesn't have the moves in the post but shouldn't we at least get it to him just make the defenders look at the post. He isn't required to shoot it just because it gets there.

Interested in others opinions on that subject.

People haven't been riding Cadeau because you like him Gary. It's been done because he isn't fulfilling his role as good as he can or at least as good as we thought he could. Turns out it's not just us if you listen to ex players. Guess we can't chalk it up to us just not being smart enough to know basketball. He can be and at times is a real force.

Hope he is back next year. A taller defensive unit would help him a lot, might as well wish for a top 75 3 point unit shooting team as well.

BS. I know exactly what you're referring to, and if Ray thinks for a second he could do any better with the junk we've been running, well... bless his heart.

Ray was one of my favorite players here but he is WAY off base. And BTW, I talk with more than one former player who also think he is FOS on this...

 

[gary-7]

Cadeau is a good player. A lot better than me. But he just an average pg compared to other pgs at unc. If he was great we would have a better record. Hubert please recruit unc a pg that can lead us to the promised land. At least to to the NCAA tournament.

GMADB. That's as dumb as your last post.

 

[montana_heel]

He isn't the even close to the biggest problem. He can get us there.

I know he wants to go pro, but remember he is pretty young for his class. Work on his three and the court will really be his playground with that. Hopefully he is learning time and score situations during this year. Would like more evidence of this but tough to know with our lack of shooting threats.

 

[ScotlandcountyHeel]

GMADB. That's as dumb as your last post.

Sorry I'm not as intelligent as you Gary. I just gave an honest post . I just don't think cadeau can lead us to a title. Sorry if I offend ur kingship here.

 

[IDUNK4HEELS]

I was trying my best to figure out who as a fan I would give the game ball because there were several heroes to choose from. Cadeau made two tremendous layups and the cross over was just nasty and we cannot forget about all of the dimes he had and how he steady the ship in winnng time.

Lubin had a career game scoring early and often and he fought tooth and nail against all of the giants the Panthers put in the lanes. Carolina would not have been in the game without him today.

Trimble had two monster threes and several other baskets and free throws. I feel the difference in the game happened when Coach Davis asked him to put the clams on Lowe who was having a field game when RJ was trying to cover him.

But if I had to vote on who to give the game ball to it would be Drake Powell. He delivered two big shots from downtown and his intensity on defense was so good that he got more time than Jackson and Withers combined.

RJ Davis just refused to let his team lose today and hit big shots in money time to keep the game close. Lowe did take him to town a ton but he did what he had to do offensively and he did get the winning shot when it counted the most

 

[NathanFielder]

Nice win. Beggars can’t be choosers. Take the win and don’t look back.

I do think it’s important to get Jackson going again. He’s really been MIA for several games now. While it was nice to see Lubin produce when given the opportunity, I’m skeptical that will be the case consistently going forward. So I think it’s important to get Jackson playing well again.

Good to see them come out on top of a close game like this. They certainly didn’t execute and finish well offensively and that recurring issue continues. Gotta hit your FTs obviously. But they showed some toughness and quality on the D end to get it done.

UNC gets Clemson at the right time. Clemson beats Duke and they’re on a high and a short turnaround to UNC. It’s a great spot for UNC to get a key road win. Hopefully Clemson has a bit of a letdown.

 

[montana_heel]

BS. I know exactly what you're referring to, and if Ray thinks for a second he could do any better with the junk we've been running, well... bless his heart.

Ray was one of my favorite players here but he is WAY off base. And BTW, I talk with more than one former player who also think he is FOS on this...

He just isn't having the year we all thought he would. His 3 pt shooting has a lot to do with it. If you don't agree with statement, then I think you are way off.

I don't know all the numbers and names of defense and offense but I know what good ball is and what it looks like. I see hime make simple passes, pass aheads and it is great but when he makes some of the live ball turnovers, I just sit there dumbfounded. Granted, there are not a ton of 3 point threats to create easier lanes for him but his shooting also isn't helping. How many guys really have to fight over screens to stop him from shooting?

 

[ScotlandcountyHeel]

I agree and when former great pg for unc say the same thing. Gary gets his pantys in a wad. Please nobody say anything negative about our greatest pg in unc history. Gary might get mad. Lol. Sorry I forgot . He's the Dean Smith of basketball here. No one knows more than Gary.

 

[gary-7]

Sorry I'm not as intelligent as you Gary. I just gave an honest post . I just don't think cadeau can lead us to a title. Sorry if I offend ur kingship here.

You got the first sentence right. And GFY.

 

[gary-7]

He just isn't having the year we all thought he would. His 3 pt shooting has a lot to do with it. If you don't agree with statement, then I think you are way off.

I don't know all the numbers and names of defense and offense but I know what good ball is and what it looks like. I see hime make simple passes, pass aheads and it is great but when he makes some of the live ball turnovers, I just sit there dumbfounded. Granted, there are not a ton of 3 point threats to create easier lanes for him but his shooting also isn't helping. How many guys really have to fight over screens to stop him from shooting?

Look, out of respect, I'm not gonna respond the same as I did to some rando ITT.
But, here's the thing -- until his Junior year, Ray was a guy who got left alone to shoot 3s, and he also had the luxury of McCants and Big May to feed. We have nobody of that calibre as finishers.

And also FYI, IIRC Ray had a career A/TO ratio of UNDER 2/1, and yes, also had his share of live-ball TOs. Frankly, folks here act like EC is supposed to have zero TOs every game or he has somehow failed. Just SMH at fans' selective memories.

I know PGs. And as I've said before, if my PG doesn't have a few TOs most games then he probably ain't creating. So, ask yourself honestly: Would we have had a legitimate chance to win this one today without EC? If your answer is anything but "no", then welp, we can't have an intelligent conversation about basketball...

 

[montana_heel]

I have said we need Elliot to win. He has kept us in games but has taken us out of a few.

Let me ask you a simple yes or no question. No elaboration.

Is Elliot having the type of year you thought he would?

 

[gary-7]

Let me ask you a simple yes or no question. No elaboration.

Is Elliot having the type of year you thought he would?

Excuse me? I'll answer in the way that is truthful, not "yes or no" to some out-of-context question like that.

The answer is "no", but if you can't see the reality of why that is the case, then once again, we can't have an intellgent conversation.

Better yet, allow me to simplify it for ya --- It sure TF ain't his fault.

 

[notashelbyfan]

Sorry I'm not as intelligent as you Gary. I just gave an honest post . I just don't think cadeau can lead us to a title. Sorry if I offend ur kingship here.

There isn't a PG is the history of basketball that could lead this particular team to a championship.

Damn this is going to hurt to say but......

I dont think Gary is wrong about EC outside of his outside shooting he is a very good PG and if he had the right cast around him he could for sure lead us to a championship.

The PG's that standout are the one that were on the best teams because they make things happen and made sure the other players got the ball where they needed it when they needed it.

Think about who PG's like Felton, Lawson, Cota, and Marshall played with, it makes a difference.

Also I'm not sure how much better EC wpuld be if he could have played PG under Roy.

 

[Kool1234567]

There isn't a PG is the history of basketball that could lead this particular team to a championship.

Damn this is going to hurt to say but......

I dont think Gary is wrong about EC outside of his outside shooting he is a very good PG and if he had the right cast around him he could for sure lead us to a championship.

The PG's that standout are the one that were on the best teams because they make things happen and made sure the other players got the ball where they needed it when they needed it.

Think about who PG's like Felton, Lawson, Cota, and Marshall played with, it makes a difference.

Also I'm not sure how much better EC wpuld be if he could have played PG under Roy.

That’s why EC has to understand he needs to be on the floor and not pick up silly fouls and let the refs get into his head…

 

[Ozheelfan]

You got the first sentence right. And GFY.

Don’t fall for it Gary…. He’s been on the board for almost 12 yrs and has 125 posts??

It’s a shadow account that’s been brought back to life to cause crap.

Thanks for the recap… hoping to watch the replay in a bit

 

[gkss]

...and this one should never have been this close, but what else is new?

Let's get ths outta the way: Any usual suspect who wants to come on here and give me sh** for talking about the zebras, lemme just go ahead and give you a preemptive GFY. These scrubs were terrible and were a bug reason this one was ever close. With that said, when we actually DID get to the FT line, we damn near missed our way to a loss.

- so... we jumped out early by actually doing something I've been harping on until I'm Carolina blue in the face --- WE USED THE DAMN POST!... and not just on PnRs. We actually started possessions with a block presence. And whattayaknow, inside-out works. Who'd-a-thunk?...

- Granted, we were collectively rusty at feeding the post on time (hmm... wonder why?), but doing it enabled Lubin to put up a career game for his time here.

- Meanwhile, we also did something that I was about to lose my mind over for missing over and over previously --- we took advantage of up/down mismatches with VERTICAL action.

- This early improved approach looked to be on its way to producing a big lead (and maybe a more comfortable game for a change), but no such luck, as the afrorementioned scrubs took away our PG with one of THE most incompletent calls I've ever seen (but hey, I'm sure there are some on message boards who'll find a way to blame Eliot ) .

- The bad news is we reverted too much to some old offensive habits in the 2nd half play-calling. And far too often we were ending up with RJ having to take bail-out shots. Fortunately today, he made some big ones.

- Defensively, (with the exceptions of leaving stretch shooters on over-help and a few late rotations) on one hand our Man was better today... BUT, there were multiple ops to be multiple. In fact, one of the two times we ran 30 we damn near sealed the game when Drake's deflection gave us a chance for a TO that barely escaped our grasp. At least, it shortened the clock and we got the stop to win it. Please Hubert, USE your arsena!

- Speaking of Drake, he was vital in the win, especially on a day when Ian reverted back to dazed frosh.

- Seth busted his ass on D, including trying to get the rock on that last trap --- and on another day in which we were outsized, Seth led us in rebounds. I just wish he wouldn't always resort to that spin move --- just ball-fake and use those hops!

- It should also be noted that we often were stuck defending drives enabled by forearm shivers and hook-and-hold "screens"

- Finally, back to EC --- to his credit, Hubert didn't let the 3rd foul influence him and sure enough, the little guy was key in carrying us home, as our offense bogged down in his absence. Despite being hit or hacked on nearly every possession, EC created down the stretch, making their goofy Big hafta pick up his jockstrap and then floating that sweet go-ahead dime to Lubin, and then getting the clinching stop. BTW, contrary to whatever UNC's lame-ass stat guy wrote down, EC had 9 dimes for the day.

Anyway, no, this one shouldn't have been this close, but I'll take it, and we did some things I hope we continue (especially the vertical actions) --- just wish we'd use everything we have from here on out...

Thanks gary-7. I always learn a lot about Tar Heel Basketball from your analysis. I actually learn more about basketball in general. Not much to add except that if we had been executing the concepts you mentioned in the post earlier, we wouldn’t be in a nut- cutter with Pitt. Jackson was mentioned by another poster- what’s the deal with him? Thanks again, and I also am thankful we have EC.

 

[sdingeldein]

I was trying my best to figure out who as a fan I would give the game ball because there were several heroes to choose from. Cadeau made two tremendous layups and the cross over was just nasty and we cannot forget about all of the dimes he had and how he steady the ship in winnng time.

Lubin had a career game scoring early and often and he fought tooth and nail against all of the giants the Panthers put in the lanes. Carolina would not have been in the game without him today.

Trimble had two monster threes and several other baskets and free throws. I feel the difference in the game happened when Coach Davis asked him to put the clams on Lowe who was having a field game when RJ was trying to cover him.

But if I had to vote on who to give the game ball to it would be Drake Powell. He delivered two big shots from downtown and his intensity on defense was so good that he got more time than Jackson and Withers combined.

RJ Davis just refused to let his team lose today and hit big shots in money time to keep the game close. Lowe did take him to town a ton but he did what he had to do offensively and he did get the winning shot when it counted the most

Nicely said.

 

[DrJaaay]

It's kinda not fair to evaluate EC when playing with this team. I mean Cole Anthony didn't look all that great when surrounded by his UNC team either (in the few games when he wasn't hurt). EC has made some dumb passes, and his shot isn't much of a threat, but it's not for lack of trying. Go Heels!

 

[sdingeldein]

I thought EC was more careful last night. He only went behind his back a couple of times in traffic and didn't try too many passes that were home run attempts. He didn't crash to the basket as many times as past games and then surprised them late in the game with classic Cadeau. Seems like he is growing up as a PG. He just needs a shot (and 4 more inches).

 

[DrJaaay]

I have said it before, I am not a guy to blame the refs but holy smokes! I typed in the game thread that their baby giraffe fell over his own feet while EC watched and then was whistled for the foul. Ridiculous! I do wonder if we would get more calls if we stop throwing our head back every time someone burps or farts. We look like a bunch of goddamn pez dispensers and to me it looks like we are soft and begging for calls.

This may have been the closest thing to Carolina basketball I have seen this season. We ran and we utilized the post, even though he was usually 6 inches shorter than his opponent.

I thought Seth's defense was the difference throughout the game. He and Drake more than made up for a poor showing by Ian. Imagine if all of our players played well on the same day!

Anyway, a win is a win and I will take it, especially against Pitt.

Your last two sentences of the first paragraph reminded me of the K dook days. I hope to hell we never turn into that!

 

[big_deez]

I agree and when former great pg for unc say the same thing. Gary gets his pantys in a wad. Please nobody say anything negative about our greatest pg in unc history. Gary might get mad. Lol. Sorry I forgot . He's the Dean Smith of basketball here. No one knows more than Gary.

Bruh, I get you have an opinion but from reading your comments, it seems you aren't able to express your opinion with maturity. Personal attacks should be left for 8 year olds, drunks in bars and for those who resort to name calling when their claims fall apart due to weak data and missing truth. Fact: EC seems a bit immature, a ittle careless at times and lacks confidence but he has some incredible skills beyond most at this level. Also, imagine what he would be if he had the personnel that Cota, Felton or Berry had. He forces things a lot but as we've seen in half those or more, the players around him aren't skilled enough to capitalize. Do you think that frustrates him and takes its toll? This team is obviously better when he is on the court.

 

[NathanFielder]

Bruh, I get you have an opinion but from reading your comments, it seems you aren't able to express your opinion with maturity. Personal attacks should be left for 8 year olds, drunks in bars and for those who resort to name calling when their claims fall apart due to weak data and missing truth. Fact: EC seems a bit immature, a ittle careless at times and lacks confidence but he has some incredible skills beyond most at this level. Also, imagine what he would be if he had the personnel that Cota, Felton or Berry had. He forces things a lot but as we've seen in half those or more, the players around him aren't skilled enough to capitalize. Do you think that frustrates him and takes its toll? This team is obviously better when he is on the court.

I think Cadeau has become polarizing mainly because of the expectations that were placed on him before he stepped on campus. Not fair to him and comparison is the thief of joy. But people were calling him generational, the next great PG, potentially the best blah blah blah. And as of today, he isn’t that.

He wasn’t given the chance to just be a normal PG to some degree. I don’t really recall any other PG having the generational label attached before playing a game for UNC. And I’ll admit I thought it was really odd.

And of course if Cadeau had studs around him he’d be better and the team would be better. I just think of a generational player as someone who truly elevates those around him. But he’s not that and I think that’s ok. He’s a developing talented point guard.

But I think it’s gotten to the point where people on either side are pot committed to their opinion. So the pro Cadeau people will point out every awesome thing he does and assess blame to someone else when he makes a poor play. And those who are maybe tired of Cadeau will point out every bad play and look over some of his great plays.

And I’ll admit, I prefer a PG who could score 20 without it being a surprise. I think that makes your team harder to guard. I do think being in favor of the pass first PG is more nostalgia because the Cota and Marshall teams were really fun. In reality, the Marshall teams werent that great offensively relative to Roy’s best teams. Roy’s best teams were always led by PGs who could score and shoot.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

remember he is pretty young for his class.

Not really. Yes, he reclassed, but he was old for a HS junior.

 

[gary-7]

That’s why EC has to understand he needs to be on the floor and not pick up silly fouls and let the refs get into his head…

That wasn't the case last night in any size shape or form.

 

[Kool1234567]

That wasn't the case last night in any size shape or form.

Oh I agree…Fair or not the PG at UNC is judge different than any program in the country because we have had so many great 1s…

EC needs to take this team and lead them like we know he can…I also wouldn’t mind when EC goes to the bench let Ian have the ball and let him create…RJ and Seth just dribble a little to much…

Either way I will not expect much the rest of the way maybe they surprise me….GO Heels…

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

RJ has been very solid of late, still the only create your own scorer, still being chased and shadowed non stop, but he has been efficient.

Nice to see RJ back (or mostly back). That's definitely part of the formula.

Ian can create, too, but being a freshman, sometimes doesn't. A shame we're unlikely to see him as a soph.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

The call on EC was particularly - and obviously - terrible. But bad calls happen.

Usually a bad call early on doesn't hurt that much. You know you're wearing it and you adjust.

Unfortunately, Hubert doesn't trust EC to keep playing in the first half when he has 2 fouls. Maybe that's smart on HD's part, but if I'm the opposing coach I'm going to try to get 2 fouls on EC as fast as I can.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

While I agree that Felton (and Lawson and Marshall) had better supporting players, we have 2 or 3 players (Ian, Drake, Trimble) who will play in the NBA and another (RJ) who will play premier ball overseas. EC is playing with 4 future pros. Yes, they are all back court players, and that's a problem, but still, we should not be struggling this much.

EC may not (yet) be all he was advertised to be coming out of HS, but we saw him last season and we see him this season. He's quite good. We need to stop holding him to the 2-year-old hype. I say that as someone who has been guilty of that in the past. I'll try to do better.

 

[gary-7]

He just isn't having the year we all thought he would. His 3 pt shooting has a lot to do with it. If you don't agree with statement, then I think you are way off.

I don't know all the numbers and names of defense and offense but I know what good ball is and what it looks like. I see hime make simple passes, pass aheads and it is great but when he makes some of the live ball turnovers, I just sit there dumbfounded. Granted, there are not a ton of 3 point threats to create easier lanes for him but his shooting also isn't helping. How many guys really have to fight over screens to stop him from shooting?

Y'know, I thought I was being facetious when I wrote in the OP about somebody finding a way to blame EC... but sure enough, Just wow...

Nobody has said EC's 3 point shooting is where we'd like it yet but here we go again with the fiction about TOs. Ray averaged more TOs than Eliot and didn't have as good a A/TO ratio. And AGAIN, Ray didn't become an effective 3-pt threat til his Jr year.. and Ray was a terrific PG.

Hell, when ACCN was running old UNC-dook games last week I watched one in which Ed Cota (another terrific PG) had like 5 TOs, including one where he got a 10-second call with no pressure . But NO... our cherry-coated memories act like Eliot is the only damned UNC PG to even lose the ball. Once and for all, STOP and grow some dadgummed perspective.

As for the jawdroppingly absurd idea that anyone here is banging on Eliot for yesterday, let me pose a couple of (rhetorical) questions for you:
How many total points did we score in the 2nd half with Eliot on the bench? ONE
And on the other end:
How many times did the guy he was guarding at the time score on Eliot? One
How many stops did he get? Several, including the game-sealer
Yet, some are so wedded to false narratives that they can't see the reality that he has become a legit "plus" defender.

Finally, in the interest of accuracy, allow me to correct my OP --- one mark on my notes was actually in the next column, so EC had 8 dimes --- but nonetheless, let's get real here. I'll take an 8-dime/3-TO game from my PG any damn time.

 

[montana_heel]

Not blaming him Gary. Guess you missed the part where I said he isn't the problem. Here is the quote so you don't have to search: "He isn't the even close to the biggest problem. He can get us there."

The fact is Gary when someone disagrees with you, you try to berate them and make them seem less than. When that doesn't work you call them names.

You simply can't admit your human. I don't post much but read almost everything and I have never seen you say 'I was wrong.' Not trying to get in a pissing match with you but not gonna get run over either.

I felt like your opening statement about Cadeau bashing was aimed at me so I responded.

Like it or not doesn't make a difference to me. Will still read your takes and agree with most of what you write. Good thing we are all not the same