Quick stuff (State game)...

[alabamaheel]

No I did not. Anybody picking on EC does so at their risk. He is playing excellent defense both on and off ball. And if my PG doesn't have a few fouls at the end of the game with as much time he spends guarding the ball, then he probably ain't trying.

Ok. If I knew how I’d tag or play you the whole ND game back. All but maybe a few plays.

 

[gary-7]

Ok. If I knew how I’d tag or play you the whole ND game back. All but maybe a few plays.

I've watched it more than once.

 

[alabamaheel]

I've watched it more than once.

Ok

 

[gary-7]

Ok

OK?... Arright... on that note, here are the results of EC on defense in scoring attempts at ND:
(and BTW, every opponent here is 2-8 inches taller)
- man-on drive iso attempt --- stoned, forced TO
- challenge in J --- miss (and EC rebound)
- challenge on swiitch --- miss
- challenge on switch --- make
- challenge on switch --- make
- box-out on Big picked up from switch --- ball OB to UNC
- drive --- steal, then fouled
- drive --- (bad hedge by Withers gets in the way), make
- drive --- foul (good call)
- challenge on J --- miss
- challenge on switch --- miss
- help switch --- steal
- drive --- forced pass-off
- drive --- give-up foul at end of half (no bonus)
- drive on switch --- forced back-out
- drive --- EC fouled by illegal screen, forced TO
- help --- forced TO
- help --- missed steal, ball OB to ND
- drive --- foul (sketchy call)
- Burton iso --- stoned stop
- Burton catch-and-drive --- make
- switch --- forced give-up
- switch onto PF --- make (but immediately followed by dish to Wash for dunk on the other end)
- drive ---foul (bad call)
- drive --- team-up with Wash for lane switch and backside seal, forced key TO (when down 3 in final minute)
- drive --- final game-saving stop

So, there ya have it. Sure, sometimes opponents are gonna score, but the relatively few times it happened they just made shots --- it sure as hell wasn't from bad D. And all told, that's a pretty damn stout stop-rate.

And just for good measure, here's an example --- textbook:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-15-2025/PXBn4i.gif

 

[alabamaheel]

OK?... Arright... on that note, here are the results of EC on defense in scoring attempts at ND:
(and BTW, every opponent here is 2-8 inches taller)
- man-on drive iso attempt --- stoned, forced TO
- challenge in J --- miss (and EC rebound)
- challenge on swiitch --- miss
- challenge on switch --- make
- challenge on switch --- make
- box-out on Big picked up from switch --- ball OB to UNC
- drive --- steal, then fouled
- drive --- (bad hedge by Withers gets in the way), make
- drive --- foul (good call)
- challenge on J --- miss
- challenge on switch --- miss
- help switch --- steal
- drive --- forced pass-off
- drive --- give-up foul at end of half (no bonus)
- drive on switch --- forced back-out
- drive --- EC fouled by illegal screen, forced TO
- help --- forced TO
- help --- missed steal, ball OB to ND
- drive --- foul (sketchy call)
- Burton iso --- stoned stop
- Burton catch-and-drive --- make
- switch --- forced give-up
- switch onto PF --- make (but immediately followed by dish to Wash for dunk on the other end)
- drive ---foul (bad call)
- drive --- team-up with Wash for lane switch and backside seal, forced key TO (when down 3 in final minute)
- drive --- final game-saving stop

So, there ya have it. Sure, sometimes opponents are gonna score, but the relatively few times it happened they just made shots --- it sure as hell wasn't from bad D. And all told, that's a pretty damn stout stop-rate.

And just for good measure, here's an example --- textbook:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-15-2025/PXBn4i.gif

I’m glad you went to the trouble to try to prove your point. The fact that several people on here posted literally the opposite makes them all blind. Once again congrats on over hyping a player and wishing him to be untouchable. I really enjoy some of your stuff but dang it man you get impossible stuff in your head. There were guys from this board literally at that game who call him out for being a sieve on defense for the game, and have seen it at other times. He makes mistakes. They all do.

 

[gary-7]

I’m glad you went to the trouble to try to prove your point. The fact that several people on here posted literally the opposite makes them all blind. Once again congrats on over hyping a player and wishing him to be untouchable. I really enjoy some of your stuff but dang it man you get impossible stuff in your head. There were guys from this board literally at that game who call him out for being a sieve on defense for the game, and have seen it at other times. He makes mistakes. They all do.

Y'know what? GMAMFB.
I know how to analyze video. I've friggin done it before and I know wtf I'm looking at.
Oh, but wait, there were "guys at the game"? Seriously? As Roy liked to say, "the eye in the sky don't lie" --- but I'll tell ya what does: Fans' eyes watching a game live through the lens of their own damn preconceived narratives.

And for the record, literally NOBODY said ANYBODY was "untouchable". And I have NEVER said EC, nor anyone else for that matter, hasn't made mistakes. FACT is, I have called them out on here --- last season I was critical of his off-ball footwork, but again, FACT is he has improved that immensely. And FACT is, I also criticized him for freshman mistakes of being baited into fouls, but FACT is he has improved immensely in that area as well. And FACT is I have been critical this season for EC letting his emotions compound bad stretches. That is a work-in-progress.

So yeah man, damn straight I "went to the trouble" of proving a point -- why?.., because that point just so happens to be accurate, and I don't appreciate being told it's not just because it flies in the face of someone's preconceptions. Moreover, I "go to the trouble" to keep detailed notes and write these analysis pieces in the first place because some folks on here enjoy them --- then I go back and rewatch to correct anything I missed the first go-around and/or pick up nuance and add that to the thread where applicable.

I don't gey paid for this, but I'm generally happy to share what my eyes and experience tell me and engage in hoops talk... BUT I am sick and tired of a few people being determined to attack me just because something I post doesn't fit a certain narrative. If you (or anyone) disagree with my take, then fine --- but questioning the integrity of what I'm writing is sure as hell not. Frankly, I'm done with that shit.

 

[alabamaheel]

Y'know what? GMAMFB.
I know how to analyze video. I've friggin done it before and I know wtf I'm looking at.
Oh, but wait, there were "guys at the game"? Seriously? As Roy liked to say, "the eye in the sky don't lie" --- but I'll tell ya what does: Fans' eyes watching a game live through the lens of their own damn preconceived narratives.

And for the record, literally NOBODY said ANYBODY was "untouchable". And I have NEVER said EC, nor anyone else for that matter, hasn't made mistakes. FACT is, I have called them out on here --- last season I was critical of his off-ball footwork, but again, FACT is he has improved that immensely. And FACT is, I also criticized him for freshman mistakes of being baited into fouls, but FACT is he has improved immensely in that area as well. And FACT is I have been critical this season for EC letting his emotions compound bad stretches. That is a work-in-progress.

So yeah man, damn straight I "went to the trouble" of proving a point -- why?.., because that point just so happens to be accurate, and I don't appreciate being told it's not just because it flies in the face of someone's preconceptions. Moreover, I "go to the trouble" to keep detailed notes and write these analysis pieces in the first place because some folks on here enjoy them --- then I go back and rewatch to correct anything I missed the first go-around and/or pick up nuance and add that to the thread where applicable.

I don't gey paid for this, but I'm generally happy to share what my eyes and experience tell me and engage in hoops talk... BUT I am sick and tired of a few people being determined to attack me just because something I post doesn't fit a certain narrative. If you (or anyone) disagree with my take, then fine --- but questioning the integrity of what I'm writing is sure as hell not. Frankly, I'm done with that shit.

Gary I’m pretty sure you didn’t really read my post. I said I do enjoy some of your stuff. We are not always gonna agree 100%. Has it ever occurred you that you have the narrative? Has it ever occurred to you that you have a lens on when you watch, record, write, or take notes in a game? Ive never been one to attack or pile it on like a few others on here so don’t lump me in with every else. And don’t cuss me.
I do appreciate discussing, and remember from your written words, its your eyes and your experience from which you write. I promise you others have eyes and experience. I apologize if it seems like I was attacking the integrity of what you write by disagreeing.

 

[NathanFielder]

By now, I think most understand Cadeau has strengths and weaknesses and is a developing prospect. He's definitely gotten better this season so good for him. I think it's pretty clear that he isn't quite the player many projected him to be. But projections are pointless. You are what you show on film and compared to last year, his film looks better so that's good for him.

I wish he would get to the FT line more. He was wearing out the FT line in the first 5 games or so this season. I think that put him in a good aggressive attacking mindset. I can honestly live with his push off offensive fouls if it means he is aggressively attacking the paint. In the last 10 games, he's had 5 games where he's attempted 0 FTs.

 

[DSouthr]

By now, I think most understand Cadeau has strengths and weaknesses and is a developing prospect. He's definitely gotten better this season so good for him. I think it's pretty clear that he isn't quite the player many projected him to be. But projections are pointless. You are what you show on film and compared to last year, his film looks better so that's good for him.

I wish he would get to the FT line more. He was wearing out the FT line in the first 5 games or so this season. I think that put him in a good aggressive attacking mindset. I can honestly live with his push off offensive fouls if it means he is aggressively attacking the paint. In the last 10 games, he's had 5 games where he's attempted 0 FTs.

Yes, of course Cadeau has his strengths and weaknesses, I trust my eyes, think everyone should trust theirs. It seems to have become vogue to tell folks to not trust their own eyes but trust what we tell you above your lying eyes? I see it in our political climate every day, does concern me to see it in a forum like this.

"you are what you show on film"? No, you have BEEN what you show on film, you can always progress or regress from what you have BEEN, you can change that. Can RJ not shoot better than he has so far this season, Cadeau commits a turn over caught on film is forever to be known as a turn over machine? It is a cute line it just happens to not be true. I come from the belief that you don't have to be what you show on film, that you can improve, that you are expected to improve, your potential is only limited by your own self imposed limits.

To say that "you are what you show on film" says this team is no better in the future than it has already been this season, I see the exact opposite of that, I see a team that has a ton of upside that has yet to be played to, this team is not what they show on film, they can and should be so much better than the film has so far shown this season. But for that to happen this team, including the coaching staff has to do things differently, the ole definition of insanity being what it is.

 

[notashelbyfan]

Gary I’m pretty sure you didn’t really read my post. I said I do enjoy some of your stuff. We are not always gonna agree 100%. Has it ever occurred you that you have the narrative? Has it ever occurred to you that you have a lens on when you watch, record, write, or take notes in a game? Ive never been one to attack or pile it on like a few others on here so don’t lump me in with every else. And don’t cuss me.
I do appreciate discussing, and remember from your written words, its your eyes and your experience from which you write. I promise you others have eyes and experience. I apologize if it seems like I was attacking the integrity of what you write by disagreeing.

If you haven't figured it out yet if you are not with Gary you are against him.

If you will notice anything Cadeau does good is because he is good and anything he has done bad is because his teammates let him down. Just like when he said in this thread that it's some type of insult to Cadeau if you make mention that it helps him out if the players he passes the ball to scores on his passes.

We are pissing in the wind trying to have any kind of back and forth discussion with him about the team. He claim everyone that doesn't agree with him have a narrative they are trying to push, everytime he says stuff like that it reminds me of two children arguing and one saying to the other "i know you are but what and I"

EC is our best PG on the team and I dont think anyone would disagree with that but he isn't perfect matter of fact he's not even close to top 10 players Carolina has ever had playing PG, but to listen to Gary he is the 2nd coming of Phil Ford.