Republican Debate

[strummingram]

Plenty of people take them literally. I see people justifying the denial of equal rights to people based on the book of Leviticus every single day. So you're not against gay marriage then? It is only condemned in the Old Testament after all...

You know, I rarely find Jews that adhere to Leviticus to the letter. Not that I'm out interviewing them or anything, to know for sure. But, aside from the food (eating kosher), do they even adhere to the clothing rules anymore? It's somewhat rhetorical. That's what's so potentially-volatile about religion; you never know who is going to take some passage in a literal context and go off.

 

[strummingram]

If Muslim Americans all want Sharia law (or a majority do) over the Constitution, then what should be done about that?

 

[heelmanwilm]

well i'll admit its a bigoted attitude, but i would never vote for a muslim for one thing. Thats about as far as i would take it though.

 

[DeanFor President]

Where did I condone child rape?

I'm not apologizing for anyone. I'm not accountable for anyone.

You don't hate Muslims, you hate their behaviors. That's interesting. A wonderful cop-out. I don't hate their behaviors. I just don't understand them. If you think you're superior, good for you. Hey, they probably think you're inferior to them, so you're in good company. You guys can hate each other until there are none of you left. That seems to be the way it's going anyway.

By the way, you get the prize for most ironic handle. If Dean, or anyone like him, were president, you'd be calling for his head.

ETA:
I find Islam to be a fairly absurd religion in many ways. The tenets and doctrines are arcane and not compliant with modern-day human society, as a whole. But, I find almost all ancient religions to be somewhat absurd like that. Well, maybe it's the people that interpret the religion and act on it in a violent/restrictive way that I find absurd. At any rate, you can choose to be a fairly peaceful person, or a fairly violent person. I don't personally understand why someone would prefer the latter, but they do. All I can do is choose the former and enjoy my life.

Here is the first:
You said :"Pedophilia is measured by different standards at different times"

And then you said :"I don't insist that, just because certain people have an accepted living condition that differs from mine, somehow I'm superior to them."

So they rape children and marry children, and sell them as sex slaves, and since it's their culture, you don't see anything wrong with it. Sorry, but any culture that does that is a savage, third world inferior culture, and people that do that are not fit to live in a civilized world. .

 

[DeanFor President]

Plenty of people take them literally. I see people justifying the denial of equal rights to people based on the book of Leviticus every single day. So you're not against gay marriage then? It is only condemned in the Old Testament after all...

So you have nothing? That's what I thought. Denying equal tights, and raping and killing, stoning and crucifying are quite a bit different, wouldn't you say? That's weak, nobody's buying it, and you shouldn't be selling it.

And no, I'm not against gay marriage. But the Feds have no business intervening in duly passed state laws. It should be up to the states.

Now about the Muslims, THEY are the ones that really do have a problem with the gays, but since it's their CULTURE, I guess you're ok with them throwing gays off of buildings? Good to know.

 

[heelmanwilm]

You know, I rarely find Jews that adhere to Leviticus to the letter. Not that I'm out interviewing them or anything, to know for sure. But, aside from the food (eating kosher), do they even adhere to the clothing rules anymore? It's somewhat rhetorical. That's what's so potentially-volatile about religion; you never know who is going to take some passage in a literal context and go off.

So true. The passages taken literally are usually the ones that please the masses given the current political socioeconomic climate. (i.e. Fills the collection plates). I havent heard much if ANY preaching against divorce in my many years attending although it is addressed frequently by paul and jesus and the old testament. In fact every church i've attended is in open disobedience to the Bible regarding divorce as they dont disqualify divorced people from leadership as {{{{{{{GOD COMMANDS}}}}} (Thunderclap) in the Bible. On the other hand gay marriage which is not even mentioned in the Bible is the topic du jour. Fact is u start bible thumping over divorce and VOILA, half your congregation disappears.

 

[DeanFor President]

If Muslim Americans all want Sharia law (or a majority do) over the Constitution, then what should be done about that?

Well, first of all our Constitution prevents the establishment of a state religion, so laws intertwined with religion won't fly here. And secondly, there are majority Muslim countries where Sharia is practiced and accepted. They can go there, or better yet, simply stay there to begin with. We would all be happier.
If they are American born and still want Sharia, too bad. A bunch of other people, including me, may want to be ruled by Babe the Big Blue Ox, but that's not the way it works here.

The point is, they don't want to assimilate into America, so why come here?

It's the same as northerners messing up their states by voting for liberal politicians, and then moving to escape the cesspool that they have caused, then lather rinse repeat by voting for the same liberal politicians with the same failed liberal ideas once they come to the south.

 

[strummingram]

Here is the first:
You said :"Pedophilia is measured by different standards at different times"

And then you said :"I don't insist that, just because certain people have an accepted living condition that differs from mine, somehow I'm superior to them."

So they rape children and marry children, and sell them as sex slaves, and since it's their culture, you don't see anything wrong with it. Sorry, but any culture that does that is a savage, third world inferior culture, and people that do that are not fit to live in a civilized world. .

Great... so, basically you're no different from them. "My way is better than your way! If you don't conform to my way, I'll kill you." I realize I embellished to make my point... but, not by much.

It's really a shame that you've now decided to generalize that all Muslims rape children. It doesn't surprise me, but still a shame. Do all Catholics want to burn Protestants at the stake? At one time, it was a frequent practice. Somehow they managed to realize it wasn't the right thing to do.

At least you don't hate them, right?

 

[strummingram]

Well, first of all our Constitution prevents the establishment of a state religion, so laws intertwined with religion won't fly here. And secondly, there are majority Muslim countries where Sharia is practiced and accepted. They can go there, or better yet, simply stay there to begin with. We would all be happier.
If they are American born and still want Sharia, too bad. A bunch of other people, including me, may want to be ruled by Babe the Big Blue Ox, but that's not the way it works here.

The point is, they don't want to assimilate into America, so why come here?

It's the same as northerners messing up their states by voting for liberal politicians, and then moving to escape the cesspool that they have caused, then lather rinse repeat by voting for the same liberal politicians with the same failed liberal ideas once they come to the south.

Right... it's liberals and Muslims.

The South has it figured out... it's the liberals' fault.

by the way, our laws are intertwined with religion. Our politicians are almost all religious. It's not necessarily a bad thing, always. But, the problem arises when one religion thinks it's better than the other. When you can't humble yourself to realize you're no better than anyone else, then you put all of us at risk.

 

[DeanFor President]

Great... so, basically you're no different from them. "My way is better than your way! If you don't conform to my way, I'll kill you." I realize I embellished to make my point... but, not by much.

It's really a shame that you've now decided to generalize that all Muslims rape children. It doesn't surprise me, but still a shame. Do all Catholics want to burn Protestants at the stake? At one time, it was a frequent practice. Somehow they managed to realize it wasn't the right thing to do.

At least you don't hate them, right?

Who said I was going to kill anyone? You really are thick as a damn brick, aren't you?
And who said all? That "not all of them do it" is the weakest crap you've spewed yet.

If you think that a culture that condones child marriage, stoning, death for adultery and apostasy, honor killings, genital mutilation, subjugation of women, and murder of those that don't worship Allah, ( read the damn Quran before you get all indignant) then there is truly no hope for you.
If you can't see that is an inferior culture, then you have no morals. There is no moral equivalency there to be found. Right is right, and wrong is still wrong.

And once more, Muslims are doing these things NOW. NOW. NOW. Not a thousand years ago. Is that through your skull yet? You're really not very good at this are you?

 

[uncboy10]

You know, I rarely find Jews that adhere to Leviticus to the letter. Not that I'm out interviewing them or anything, to know for sure. But, aside from the food (eating kosher), do they even adhere to the clothing rules anymore? It's somewhat rhetorical. That's what's so potentially-volatile about religion; you never know who is going to take some passage in a literal context and go off.

Exactly. Its pretty sad when people have to choose to ignore parts of a book that they claim was written by god anyways. If it was overturned by the New Testament, and god is perfect, then why would he put all that bat shit crazy stuff in there to begin with?

As soon as you accept the fact that the Bible was written by man it all starts to make sense. Its just funny that people will take out huge chunks, yet maintain the belief that the Bible is somehow a perfect source of moral guidance.

So you have nothing? That's what I thought. Denying equal tights, and raping and killing, stoning and crucifying are quite a bit different, wouldn't you say? That's weak, nobody's buying it, and you shouldn't be selling it.

And no, I'm not against gay marriage. But the Feds have no business intervening in duly passed state laws. It should be up to the states.

Now about the Muslims, THEY are the ones that really do have a problem with the gays, but since it's their CULTURE, I guess you're ok with them throwing gays off of buildings? Good to know.

The KKK is a religious based group. Many of the neo-nazi, and white supremacists groups which are very much still active today are based on christian ideology. There are countless examples of people killing in the name of their christian beliefs. I never said that Islam isn't currently more of a threat than Christianity. However pretending like your holy book doesn't sanction the same barbarous practices as the Quran is downright silly. Just because you choose not to adhere to the entire thing doesn't mean it isn't there. And if you want to look at history, Christianity has done far more damage to humanity than Islam and it isn't even close.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Exactly. Its pretty sad when people have to choose to ignore parts of a book that they claim was written by god anyways. If it was overturned by the New Testament, and god is perfect, then why would he put all that bat shit crazy stuff in there to begin with?

As soon as you accept the fact that the Bible was written by man it all starts to make sense. Its just funny that people will take out huge chunks, yet maintain the belief that the Bible is somehow a perfect source of moral guidance.



The KKK is a religious based group. Many of the neo-nazi, and white supremacists groups which are very much still active today are based on christian ideology. There are countless examples of people killing in the name of their christian beliefs. I never said that Islam isn't currently more of a threat than Christianity. However pretending like your holy book doesn't sanction the same barbarous practices as the Quran is downright silly. Just because you choose not to adhere to the entire thing doesn't mean it isn't there. And if you want to look at history, Christianity has done far more damage to humanity than Islam and it isn't even close.

Uncboy you're being unfair. U dont understand the old testament v new testament thing which is understandable since you're atheist. Christianity is based SOLELY on the new test message. Its noones choice whether to disregard the old test law. Christ commanded that we do. So you're dead wrong. Christianity does not even come close to sanctioning ANY sort of violence. That is a bold faced lie. We are told to love our enemies, turn the other cheek, forgive those who've wronged us, and on and on and on. u misunderstand the while meaning of Christ mission. But like i said a lot of christians do as well and for the same reason, to twist it to their agenda.

As for why its in there its to show people the futility of trying to be perfect. Plus it contains prophecies about the future and historical context.

Look i agree with u on some things. First the bible was certainly written by man. Its not perfect and shouldnt be used as a science book. But if u truly value the "scientific method" as u claim to u should do more investigation into the role of the old test vs the new test in christian theology before u evaluate christianity based on that premise. Doncha think?

 

[Heels in Space]

51% of AMERICAN Muslims favor Sharia Law. In America.
46% of AMERICAN Muslims believe Americans should be prosecuted criminally for criticizing Islam. In America.
1 in 8 AMERICAN Muslims believe you should be killed for it. In America.
These are American Muslim opinions. It's much worse in Muslim countries.

FWIW, the organization that conducted this poll has been widely criticized for fostering conspiracy theories and being run by a deluded bigot. So, grain of salt and all that.

 

[UNC71-00]

FWIW, the organization that conducted this poll has been widely criticized for fostering conspiracy theories and being run by a deluded bigot. So, grain of salt and all that.

This is a CNN poll?

 

[heelmanwilm]

This is a CNN poll?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[uncboy10]

Uncboy you're being unfair. U dont understand the old testament v new testament thing which is understandable since you're atheist. Christianity is based SOLELY on the new test message. Its noones choice whether to disregard the old test law. Christ commanded that we do. So you're dead wrong. Christianity does not even come close to sanctioning ANY sort of violence. That is a bold faced lie. We are told to love our enemies, turn the other cheek, forgive those who've wronged us, and on and on and on. u misunderstand the while meaning of Christ mission. But like i said a lot of christians do as well and for the same reason, to twist it to their agenda.

As for why its in there its to show people the futility of trying to be perfect. Plus it contains prophecies about the future and historical context.

Look i agree with u on some things. First the bible was certainly written by man. Its not perfect and shouldnt be used as a science book. But if u truly value the "scientific method" as u claim to u should do more investigation into the role of the old test vs the new test in christian theology before u evaluate christianity based on that premise. Doncha think?

Just so you know, polling consistently proves that atheists have a greater knowledge of the Bible than people who are religious.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey/

If the Christian philosophy is based solely off of the New Testament, then why was the Old Testament included in every bible I've ever seen? Why is also considered to be part of the "holy book"? Why would the prophecies and historical context be worthy of being in the same book as the New Testament philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth? I don't deny that whoever Jesus was, it seems like he was a pretty enlightened guy, but why chain yourself to the bronze age nonsense too?

I don't deny there are many people who take a benign interpretation of Christian theology. But quite a lot of Christians have no problem citing the old testament, when it is convenient to their argument. Such as when they argue against gay marriage. Obviously that's not all Christians but many do.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Just so you know, polling consistently proves that atheists have a greater knowledge of the Bible than people who are religious.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey/

If the Christian philosophy is based solely off of the New Testament, then why was the Old Testament included in every bible I've ever seen? Why is also considered to be part of the "holy book"? Why would the prophecies and historical context be worthy of being in the same book as the New Testament philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth? I don't deny that whoever Jesus was, it seems like he was a pretty enlightened guy, but why chain yourself to the bronze age nonsense too?

I don't deny there are many people who take a benign interpretation of Christian theology. But quite a lot of Christians have no problem citing the old testament, when it is convenient to their argument. Such as when they argue against gay marriage. Obviously that's not all Christians but many do.

Well i think i answered that earlier as to why its included. And yes a lot of atheists know as much as christians about the bible. But your criticism shows a misunderstanding of the old test role is my point.

 

[uncboy10]

Also it simply isn't true that there isn't cruelty and violence in the New Testament.

Matthew 11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

 

[strummingram]

Who said I was going to kill anyone? You really are thick as a damn brick, aren't you?
And who said all? That "not all of them do it" is the weakest crap you've spewed yet.

If you think that a culture that condones child marriage, stoning, death for adultery and apostasy, honor killings, genital mutilation, subjugation of women, and murder of those that don't worship Allah, ( read the damn Quran before you get all indignant) then there is truly no hope for you.
If you can't see that is an inferior culture, then you have no morals. There is no moral equivalency there to be found. Right is right, and wrong is still wrong.

And once more, Muslims are doing these things NOW. NOW. NOW. Not a thousand years ago. Is that through your skull yet? You're really not very good at this are you?

Keep fearing Muslims... or, their behaviors (or, both, I don't care)... and I'm sure they'll come around to your preferred way of living sooner or later.

The radicals of Islam will eventually diminish. Just like the other Abrahamic religions. Catholics and Protestants don't fight tooth-and-nail as often as they used to. None of the Muslims I know are stoning anyone, or raping any children. I have read the Qu'ran.

Please try to refrain from telling me I have no morals. Just because I don't obsess over these people, and rail against them 24-7, doesn't mean I intend to follow their lead and mimic them. In fact, I have no intention at all. My morals are just fine.

I love how you insist you don't hate them, and then proceed to condemn them, call them camel-f*ckers, child molesters, savages, and an "inferior culture." I'll agree that some of them are responsible for some horrific acts. They're clearly driven by hatred and violence. I just choose to not follow their lead. In fact, if I'm a follower of Christ, then I must find a way to forgive and love them.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Also it simply isn't true that there isn't cruelty and violence in the New Testament.

Matthew 11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

I said christianity does not sanction violence. I meant in regards to how we treat other people. But this is a reference to judgement after death which is a whole other issue.

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Unc by fulfilling the law that means that is no longer required. Its been satisfied. Jesus presented himself as the ultimate sacrifice to negate the need of the law. Thats why old test law does not apply


I said christianity does not sanction violence. I meant in regards to how we treat other people. But this is a reference to judgement after death which is a whole other issue. sodom was full of murderers, thieves, and rapists

 

[strummingram]

As unpopular as this will sound, The Bible was not "written by God." Not technically. In a figurative, theoretical way... yes. It was written by human beings who wrote what they thought God was telling them. Now, that doesn't mean it's not legitimate. I believe they did write what God was telling them.

But, God talks to everyone, all the time. What I am writing right now is "The Word of God." God is in each of us, all the time, and no one of us is any less sacred than another (or more sacred).

I've always wondered why The Bible basically stops 2000 years ago! There has been enough experience and presence of God to fill an ocean of books...oceanS, plural! They should have like annual updates. Actually, there ARE annual updates. There are daily, hourly updates, in fact. I'm not trying to deride the importance of The Bible. I'm just suggesting people realize that the presence, and WORD, of God is not restricted to what's between the covers of that book. I realize organized religions would have me hung for saying that. That threatens their institution. But, it's still true.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Strum imho the Bible Has become a false idol. It wasnt even called the "holy" bible until darwin wrote his book and people started freaking out. I love reading it, it has wisdom and guidance, it has WITHIN IT the teachings of Jesus which i consider the word of God but i dont place the same weight on the teachings of paul and john as i do Jesus'

 

[strummingram]

Strum imho the Bible Has become a false idol. It wasnt even called the "holy" bible until darwin wrote his book and people started freaking out. I love reading it, it has wisdom and guidance, it has WITHIN IT the teachings of Jesus which i consider the word of God but i dont place the same weight on the teachings of paul and john as i do Jesus'

Yeah, the Pauline letters have some real conflicts for me. I Corinthians 4 is an example of amazing wisdom and insight. Then, the very next chapter, 5, he contradicts what he just wrote in chapter 4... at least to me it does.

I am in the process of reading the Gospels of Thomas, Philip and Mary Magdalene- the Gnostic Gospels. I figure if they're stories passed-down like the 4 in the NT, I wanna know what they say. Human beings in the church, with a vested interest in maintaining a certain public opinion, decided what was to be included in the Bible and what wasn't. Things like that are one of the main reasons I recoil at organized religion. It's not that I believe that individuals in the religions are purposely trying to deceive people. But, religion is a full-fledged, money-making institution that requires people to think and act a certain way so it can continue to flourish. So, I just choose to follow my own individual path.

There's also a lot of contemporary manuscripts and books of people and their interactions with God. And, reading the teachings of Buddha, Krishna and Muhammad, have all been revelations for me. I've become much more grounded and invigorated by it all.

 

[uncboy10]

Unc by fulfilling the law that means that is no longer required. Its been satisfied. Jesus presented himself as the ultimate sacrifice to negate the need of the law. Thats why old test law does not apply


I said christianity does not sanction violence. I meant in regards to how we treat other people. But this is a reference to judgement after death which is a whole other issue. sodom was full of murderers, thieves, and rapists

Hmm, I guess we'll just have to agree that we interpret it differently.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Fair nuff

 

[DeanFor President]

Exactly. Its pretty sad when people have to choose to ignore parts of a book that they claim was written by god anyways. If it was overturned by the New Testament, and god is perfect, then why would he put all that bat shit crazy stuff in there to begin with?

As soon as you accept the fact that the Bible was written by man it all starts to make sense. Its just funny that people will take out huge chunks, yet maintain the belief that the Bible is somehow a perfect source of moral guidance.



The KKK is a religious based group. Many of the neo-nazi, and white supremacists groups which are very much still active today are based on christian ideology. There are countless examples of people killing in the name of their christian beliefs. I never said that Islam isn't currently more of a threat than Christianity. However pretending like your holy book doesn't sanction the same barbarous practices as the Quran is downright silly. Just because you choose not to adhere to the entire thing doesn't mean it isn't there. And if you want to look at history, Christianity has done far more damage to humanity than Islam and it isn't even close.

Lies. Christians denounce those outliers for what they are, unlike most Muslims, who celebrate Israelis being killed. When one of the recent stabbing victims was dying in the street, the people around were DANCING AND CHEERING HIS DEATH. Christianity has not caused a 1/10 of the carnage that Islam has. I suppose you think the Crusades were Christian aggression? Another lie, if that is your belief.

Pathetic.

Once more, no one is using the Bible as a justification for killing people TODAY, which is the point, no matter how much you attempt to deflect.

 

[strummingram]

For many of you who feel threatened by Muslims, Iranians, etc.:

Watch this an realize that people are just people. Our governments quarrel, but the people are just people. By the way, there's no child molestation or sex of any kind. In fact, their culture forbids showing women in bikinis, or in advertisements to sell merchandise, or any other way they consider shameful. Whereas, here in our society, women are used to sell just about everything, and as scantily-clad as necessary. They find such behavior to be offensive and insulting to women. You'll see that the PEOPLE are no real threat to you and I.

 

[DeanFor President]

Stick that video somewhere extremely uncomfortable.

And then go read the news about the young Muslim male in California that just went on a stabbing rampage, and then call the families of those terrorized and wounded and sell this propaganda to them.

And then go back to sleep.

 

[DeanFor President]

For many of you who feel threatened by Muslims, Iranians, etc.:

Watch this an realize that people are just people. Our governments quarrel, but the people are just people. By the way, there's no child molestation or sex of any kind. In fact, their culture forbids showing women in bikinis, or in advertisements to sell merchandise, or any other way they consider shameful. Whereas, here in our society, women are used to sell just about everything, and as scantily-clad as necessary. They find such behavior to be offensive and insulting to women. You'll see that the PEOPLE are no real threat to you and I.

View embedded media

Yeah, man, keep telling yourself that the Muslims are highly respectful of women, and treat them better than Western culture does. Yeah, they absolutely revere women in Islam. Their testimony is equal to 1/4 that of a man, they are forbidden to drive, to be alone with non relative males, takes four witnesses to prove rape charges against a Muslim man, honor killings, child brides, deprivation of education.....they even cut off their clitorises so they can never experience sexual pleasure. But we abuse women by showing them in bikinis. That's hilarious. Do you even read some of the bullspit that you try to pass off as rational thought? I didn't think even you were that willfully ignorant.

I'm not afraid of Muslims, but you are absolutely terrified of the truth.

 

[uncboy10]

A conservative who is a xenophobe. Imagine that...

 

[strummingram]

Yeah, man, keep telling yourself that the Muslims are highly respectful of women, and treat them better than Western culture does. Yeah, they absolutely revere women in Islam. Their testimony is equal to 1/4 that of a man, they are forbidden to drive, to be alone with non relative males, takes four witnesses to prove rape charges against a Muslim man, honor killings, child brides, deprivation of education.....they even cut off their clitorises so they can never experience sexual pleasure. But we abuse women by showing them in bikinis. That's hilarious. Do you even read some of the bullspit that you try to pass off as rational thought? I didn't think even you were that willfully ignorant.

I'm not afraid of Muslims, but you are absolutely terrified of the truth.

Yes, whatever you do, don't learn anything. Don't ever try to be empathetic. Don't observe and realize the commonalities. Don't try to better understand. It's much more productive to remain rigid and unwavering and convinced you know all there is to know.

 

[strummingram]

A conservative who is a xenophobe. Imagine that...

There's no learning when you think you already know everything.

 

[DeanFor President]

Yes, whatever you do, don't learn anything. Don't ever try to be empathetic. Don't observe and realize the commonalities. Don't try to better understand. It's much more productive to remain rigid and unwavering and convinced you know all there is to know.

Bravo!! That was a perfect self- description.
I'm stating known facts about Islam, and you're basing everything on your emotional need for there to be some good in everyone, it seems.

You actually tried to imply that Islam treats it's women better than western culture, which everyone here except your sycophant knows is not true. but I'M the one who won't learn.
I acquire knowledge by observing the events around me, and in the world. you have closed your eyes and ears to the blatantly obvious. But I'm rigid and unwavering. And you wonder why liberals that think just like you are getting kicked out of office all across the country.

 

[DeanFor President]

A conservative who is a xenophobe. Imagine that...

A willfully ignorant liberal, that's very easy to imagine.

Where do you get xenophobe from? I fear no person, and I am equipped to deal with those that present a danger to me. Is that the only response that Media Matters has authorized you to use? Fear, fear ,fear. You liberals always rant about conservatives being AFRAID of things, when nothing could be further from the truth.

You and the truth should get acquainted sometimes. You won't like it, though.

 

[randman1]

Carson's stance on same-sex marriage and abortion alone will cost him the general. Same-sex marriage is here to stay, legalized abortion is here to stay. Like it or not, they are here to stay. Now, those opinions resonate well with the GOP base, but the GOP base isn't going to win any general election for their candidate. The same could probably be said for Bernie Sanders. The only difference between Sanders and Carson- in a present-day general election sense- is Sanders' views are the views of what is to come, and Carson's views are obsolete. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with all of their views, respectively, but, that's how I see their opinions and ideologies playing-out in a general election. Carson, like much of the GOP, want to go back to the 1950's in a social sense, and continue to grow government and make sure the military, and the global war on terror, continues to be the main priority. The War on Drugs is an absolute failure. Marijuana is finally becoming an accepted legalization... unless you get the GOP involved.

As far as the war on terror, the Democrats do just as good of a job making sure America's military meddles in one place after another, creating more future terror threats and costing our country more money and lives.

Don't count on the people rejecting a pro-life president. They didn't with Bush or Reagan, and there is a reason the gems pretend they don't like abortion. Also, Obama won rejecting gay marriage, did he not? Fact is the people voting for abortion and gay marriage vote democrat and yet the democrats have lost a ton of elections lately across the board.

There is a reason Carson is beating Hillary by 9 points in the polls, at least a very recent one. First, she's one of the most crooked, greedy, lying and small-minded politicians in American history, and second, people like Carson. Third, he's polling at 19% of the black vote, essentially killing any chance a democrat has. The uncomfortable fact is that the democrats can't win without a massive, lopsided minority vote going their way. Most white Americans vote Republican. Look at however one wants, spin it for one party or the other but it's a fact. Abortion and gay rights have nothing to do with it.

 

[nctransplant]

http://thefederalist.com/2014/07/30/genital-mutilation-the-real-war-on-women/
Nuff said.

 

[randman1]

There's a great deal of human behavior that doesn't seem "normal" to me. The difference between you and I seems to be that I don't insist that, just because certain people have an accepted living condition that differs from mine, somehow I'm superior to them. Especially when that condition was centuries ago. I see people within a few hundred yards of my home doing very abnormal things... to me. I simply choose not to mimic them and go about my business. I don't feel the need to call them idiots or morons, or camel diddler, in order to compensate an insecurity about it.

My moral compass is actually working fine. What I do is rarely in conflict with my conscience or my soul. If it ever is, then I adjust my path. I don't expect my compass to be the compass for other people. My compass works for ME. Other people aren't subjected to my experiences and my circumstances, so my compass is useless to them. Human beings judge SO MUCH that they have decided to make God a being that judges... and judges the most! I dunno what kind of compass they're using, but my God doesn't judge. My God loves unconditionally. My God accepts my faults and shortcomings as much as my successes and strengths. My God doesn't love hot more than cold, or death more than life. My God just IS, and allows me to be the best me I can be, unobstructed. That is the gift of free will that God gave me. I will return to God when my Soul is ready. Meantime, I'll try my best to let others do the same thing without my intrusion on their path or judgement of their choices. God experiences itself through me and through all of us. The judgement condition is something we have created in our own experience. God's judgement is no more valid, or real, than we make it.

So when is your moral compass going to tell you God doesn't like the rape religion and you shouldn't either, and if you are unsure about God, how about just plain, human decency?

 

[randman1]

Plenty of people take them literally. I see people justifying the denial of equal rights to people based on the book of Leviticus every single day. So you're not against gay marriage then? It is only condemned in the Old Testament after all...

Just stupid. No one was denying gays "equal rights" concerning marriage because marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. You might as well say singles are discriminated against and denied "equal rights" which is absolutely true since the whole reason for preferences and recognition by the State for marriage is not to grant benefits to one group over another but due to the State's inherent interest in children and mothers. Seeing as how ONLY heterosexual unions produce children naturally, the whole drummed up silly idea homosexual unions are equal and the same is both unscientific and ridiculous. Is Nature a bigot too?

 

[randman1]

Yes, whatever you do, don't learn anything. Don't ever try to be empathetic. Don't observe and realize the commonalities. Don't try to better understand. It's much more productive to remain rigid and unwavering and convinced you know all there is to know.

Don't learn anything, eh? How about you learn a little more about Islam, it's history, founder and current practice? What's the difference between defending Islam and say, the Klan and white supremacy, the Nazis, the Soviets, Pol Pot, etc,....? Seriously, Islam has been and is one the greatest killing, raping and pillaging machine in human history and still is today.

 

[randman1]

Ask yourself "What would Mohammed do?" Look at what he did and you get a fairly clear answer. If that's too much work, just google ISIS and you have your answer on full display.

Now, ask what would Jesus do?

Clearly, we're not talking of the same God in these 2 different religions, are we?