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Bigotry is such an ugly aspect of human psychology. I bet you guys think every black male is a criminal.

Islam has plenty of problems. Just like every other organized religion. Get off your high horses. Every Muslim is not a rapist. Very few of them are actually.
 
Bigotry is such an ugly aspect of human psychology. I bet you guys think every black male is a criminal.

Islam has plenty of problems. Just like every other organized religion. Get off your high horses. Every Muslim is not a rapist. Very few of them are actually.

The problems of Islam are unlike ANY other organized religion.

The only one who needs to come down a few pegs on this thread is you. And vague, blanket accusations of racism are beyond shallow and ignorant. You do yourself a disservice by making them.
 
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Just stupid. No one was denying gays "equal rights" concerning marriage because marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. You might as well say singles are discriminated against and denied "equal rights" which is absolutely true since the whole reason for preferences and recognition by the State for marriage is not to grant benefits to one group over another but due to the State's inherent interest in children and mothers. Seeing as how ONLY heterosexual unions produce children naturally, the whole drummed up silly idea homosexual unions are equal and the same is both unscientific and ridiculous. Is Nature a bigot too?

Who's definition are you referring to? The one in the Bible? Civil unions far predate the bible. The law? Just because a law exists does not mean it is just nor moral. Countless laws have been overturned in this country for that exact reason.

There is no shortage of institutionalized children that would benefit greatly from having a loving home to go to. Even if they have two dads or two moms.

The state already does provide benefits to married couples, so that argument is completely bogus. Equal marriage rights are here to stay. I suggest you accept it and move on. Or you can keep staking your place on the wrong side of history.
 
The problems of Islam are unlike ANY other organized religion.

The only one who needs to come down a few pegs on this thread is you. And vague, blanket accusations of racism are beyond shallow and ignorant. You do yourself a disservice by making them.

Okay indulge me then. What problem has come as a result of Islam, that hasn't previously come as a result of Christianity?

Rape? Check.
Holy War? Check.
Murder? Check.
Suppressed rights of women and various minorities? Check.

And that's not a defense of Islam. That ideology is bat $hit crazy. We're talking about people who believe Mohammad literally flew to heaven on a winged horse. But Christians have committed the same atrocities being committed by radical Muslims right now.
 
Okay indulge me then. What problem has come as a result of Islam, that hasn't previously come as a result of Christianity?

Rape? Check.
Holy War? Check.
Murder? Check.
Suppressed rights of women and various minorities? Check.

And that's not a defense of Islam. That ideology is bat $hit crazy. We're talking about people who believe Mohammad literally flew to heaven on a winged horse. But Christians have committed the same atrocities being committed by radical Muslims right now.

Taking what you say at face value:

Christians HAVE committed (but not for centuries)

Muslims ARE committing.

How can you not see the difference?
 
U cant deny unc, that currently, any and ALL muslm political entities such as ISIS, hezbollah, al qaeda and so on promote terrorism, racism, and homophobia. Not most of them, ALL OF THEM. Now i'm sure the vast majority of muslims are peaceful but its their leadership thats evil. There are ZERO christian politial entities using terror to promote a christian state and genocide.
 
U cant deny unc, that currently, any and ALL muslm political entities such as ISIS, hezbollah, al qaeda and so on promote terrorism, racism, and homophobia. Not most of them, ALL OF THEM. Now i'm sure the vast majority of muslims are peaceful but its their leadership thats evil. There are ZERO christian politial entities using terror to promote a christian state and genocide.

Here- i will answer for him

Yes but back during the Crusades, yadda yadda yadda
 
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U cant deny unc, that currently, any and ALL muslm political entities such as ISIS, hezbollah, al qaeda and so on promote terrorism, racism, and homophobia. Not most of them, ALL OF THEM. Now i'm sure the vast majority of muslims are peaceful but its their leadership thats evil. There are ZERO christian politial entities using terror to promote a christian state and genocide.

The issue is the division between the Sunni and Shias. Isis is being funded by Sunnis, whereas Hezbollah and Hamas are Shia backed. They are trying to kill each other, but of a westerner or jew walks into the room, they will forget their quarrel and band together agains the infidel.

Those dudes are just pissed off all the time. I probably would be to if I constantly had sand in my shoes, my bed, my toothbrush and every orifice of my body. I understand their anger to be sure.
 
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Taking what you say at face value:

Christians HAVE committed (but not for centuries)

Muslims ARE committing.

How can you not see the difference?

Slavery was primarily justified through Christian religious texts. Same with the opposition to the civil rights movement, including the violent opposition, which certainly happened less than a century ago.

I've already conceded that Islam is the biggest threat right now. I never claimed otherwise. But you claim that somehow Christianity and Islam are fundamentally different. Not really. Just because Christians choose to ignore certain mandates within their religious doctrine doesn't mean they aren't there. But lets not pretend there aren't fundamentalist nut jobs that bomb abortion clinics to this day...
 
U cant deny unc, that currently, any and ALL muslm political entities such as ISIS, hezbollah, al qaeda and so on promote terrorism, racism, and homophobia. Not most of them, ALL OF THEM. Now i'm sure the vast majority of muslims are peaceful but its their leadership thats evil. There are ZERO christian politial entities using terror to promote a christian state and genocide.

I agreed with you up until the last sentence. What about the IRA just for the most obvious example? Or the LRA in Uganda?
 
Slavery was primarily justified through Christian religious texts. Same with the opposition to the civil rights movement, including the violent opposition, which certainly happened less than a century ago.

I've already conceded that Islam is the biggest threat right now. I never claimed otherwise. But you claim that somehow Christianity and Islam are fundamentally different. Not really. Just because Christians choose to ignore certain mandates within their religious doctrine doesn't mean they aren't there. But lets not pretend there aren't fundamentalist nut jobs that bomb abortion clinics to this day...

No, slavery was not primarily justified through the bible. It was justified through economic gains. And, no, the bible was not primarily used to oppose Civil rights.

Christianity is fundamentally different from all religions. And there is only one mandate.

And I must have missed it- did an abortion clinic get bombed today? I thought it was a muslim kid running aroumd stabbing people with a 10" knife with a bomb on his back.
 
I agreed with you up until the last sentence. What about the IRA just for the most obvious example? Or the LRA in Uganda?

Well, for one, the IRA has been quiet for a while. And the IRA jist wanted one Ireland, relgion was of no concern, other than it was the Protestants that kept voting for UK rule in Northern Ireland. They certainly werent fighting to promte a Christian state, since 99% of the country were Christians.
 
Actually u have a point with IRA

No he doesn't. The IRA wanted unification of Ireland, not to kill off the protestants. But if they had to kill followers of the Church of England, they would, in order to gain Northern Irish independence amd reunification.
 
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No, slavery was not primarily justified through the bible. It was justified through economic gains. And, no, the bible was not primarily used to oppose Civil rights.

Christianity is fundamentally different from all religions. And there is only one mandate.

And I must have missed it- did an abortion clinic get bombed today? I thought it was a muslim kid running aroumd stabbing people with a 10" knife with a bomb on his back.

Spot on 71 and correct. Boy you think you know so much yet know so little. An ounce of humility might do you good, but I don't expect that because it lines up with Christ.
 
So when is your moral compass going to tell you God doesn't like the rape religion and you shouldn't either, and if you are unsure about God, how about just plain, human decency?
Where did I ever say, or even remotely imply, that I "like" rape?
 
Ask yourself "What would Mohammed do?" Look at what he did and you get a fairly clear answer. If that's too much work, just google ISIS and you have your answer on full display.

Now, ask what would Jesus do?

Clearly, we're not talking of the same God in these 2 different religions, are we?
Religions are responsible for creating hundreds, maybe thousands, of "different gods." That's why I don't follow a religion.
 
Don't learn anything, eh? How about you learn a little more about Islam, it's history, founder and current practice? What's the difference between defending Islam and say, the Klan and white supremacy, the Nazis, the Soviets, Pol Pot, etc,....? Seriously, Islam has been and is one the greatest killing, raping and pillaging machine in human history and still is today.
I simply offered a very informative, concise film, that was shot IN IRAN, by an objective source. You can watch it and learn, or ignore it and claim you already know everything.
 
Bigotry is such an ugly aspect of human psychology. I bet you guys think every black male is a criminal.

Islam has plenty of problems. Just like every other organized religion. Get off your high horses. Every Muslim is not a rapist. Very few of them are actually.
there it goes the race card never fails. get a new idea for once in your life and don't rely on the libtard playbook.
 
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Keep fearing Muslims... or, their behaviors (or, both, I don't care)... and I'm sure they'll come around to your preferred way of living sooner or later.

The radicals of Islam will eventually diminish. Just like the other Abrahamic religions. Catholics and Protestants don't fight tooth-and-nail as often as they used to. None of the Muslims I know are stoning anyone, or raping any children. I have read the Qu'ran.

Please try to refrain from telling me I have no morals. Just because I don't obsess over these people, and rail against them 24-7, doesn't mean I intend to follow their lead and mimic them. In fact, I have no intention at all. My morals are just fine.

I love how you insist you don't hate them, and then proceed to condemn them, call them camel-f*ckers, child molesters, savages, and an "inferior culture." I'll agree that some of them are responsible for some horrific acts. They're clearly driven by hatred and violence. I just choose to not follow their lead. In fact, if I'm a follower of Christ, then I must find a way to forgive and love them.
I am sure you would have said "that Hitler he's ok , we are no better than he is" you would have been right at the table with Neville.
 
No, slavery was not primarily justified through the bible. It was justified through economic gains. And, no, the bible was not primarily used to oppose Civil rights.

Christianity is fundamentally different from all religions. And there is only one mandate.

And I must have missed it- did an abortion clinic get bombed today? I thought it was a muslim kid running aroumd stabbing people with a 10" knife with a bomb on his back.

The economic gains were never in dispute. Slavery's moral justification however did come from the bible. Its silly to even try to argue that.

Excuse me an abortion clinic didn't get bombed today. What is this 1984? Are we deleting every piece of history just because it didn't happen today?...
 
No he doesn't. The IRA wanted unification of Ireland, not to kill off the protestants. But if they had to kill followers of the Church of England, they would, in order to gain Northern Irish independence amd reunification.

LOL the IRA didn't want to kill off protestants... Now I've heard it all.
 
I'm fully aware that radical Islamic terrorists are a great danger to the world now. Neither I, nor UNCBoy, have ever, EVER, made any reference tot he contrary. But, some of you waiver from being suspicious and fearful of ALMOST all of them, to just a few of them. You never really decide.

What is the solution? Half the time, the people here who exhibit hatred toward them- and call them savages and pedophiles, and murderers- are never clear as to how to deal with it. They just continue to show their hatred and criticism of all because of the actions of some. And, call people like me "apologists" because I don't obsess over hating them and fearing them. But, you are barely making any distinctions between those who are violent and those who are not. Fair enough... continue hating and fearing them. But, when you do that, eventually (and I suspect most are already there), you will lump them all together. So... what is the answer? How do you correct it? CAN YOU correct it? In the past, I've offered extreme suggestions that would eliminate them all. Do a genocide like the Nazis tried on the Jews. Remove their ability to own property and businesses. Make them wear a mark in public. Herd them into ghettos... then exterminate them. Too extreme? You don't want to destroy ALL of them? But, aren't they all just a step away from imposing Sharia law everywhere? When you're motivated by constant anger, fear and insistence that they are inferior to you, then your ultimate solution is Destroy them before they destroy me.

Good luck
 
No he doesn't. The IRA wanted unification of Ireland, not to kill off the protestants. But if they had to kill followers of the Church of England, they would, in order to gain Northern Irish independence amd reunification.
Actually, if you watch the film I linked, there is an Iranian guide who explains how Sunni and Shia conflict and war is usually based on what every war is based on- someone wants more stuff and they'll use religion and nationalism to get their people to kill the people who have the stuff they want. The religious beliefs aren't really any issue at all.
 
The Muslim problem will have to be dealt with at some point , the democrat party and libtards have kicked it down the road along with the national debt by kissin' muslim azz. The only thing that Islam understands is might and they will eventually have to be shown and it's obvious the euro trash don't have the stomach for it even though their countries are being destroyed from within.
 
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Also, if you watch the film, you'll realize that Iranians aren't a great deal different from any of us.

Their cultures and actions will eventually catch up to the rest of the cultures of the developing world. Threats of war, and sending troops and starting/ending wars, only makes it harder and take longer. That only makes their fringe, vengeful cells more resolved and more radical to enact their revenge.

I refuse to make them my enemy. I refuse to make ANYONE my enemy.
 
The economic gains were never in dispute. Slavery's moral justification however did come from the bible. Its silly to even try to argue that.

Excuse me an abortion clinic didn't get bombed today. What is this 1984? Are we deleting every piece of history just because it didn't happen today?...
How about the economic gains of the rival tribes from selling each other into slavery? That part is always left out of history. Now they just hack each other to pieces with machetes since they cannot sell them into slavery..
 
Also, if you watch the film, you'll realize that Iranians aren't a great deal different from any of us.

Their cultures and actions will eventually catch up to the rest of the cultures of the developing world. Threats of war, and sending troops and starting/ending wars, only makes it harder and take longer. That only makes their fringe, vengeful cells more resolved and more radical to enact their revenge.

I refuse to make them my enemy. I refuse to make ANYONE my enemy.
You don't have to. They have done it for you .....infidel.
 
Taking what you say at face value:

Christians HAVE committed (but not for centuries)

Muslims ARE committing.

How can you not see the difference?
It's called single mindedness. This country is in the shape it is in because of people like him.
 
How about the economic gains of the rival tribes from selling each other into slavery? That part is always left out of history. Now they just hack each other to pieces with machetes since they cannot sell them into slavery..

More xenophobia. Wtf are you even talking about? Did I say Christians were the only people who held slaves?...
 
You don't have to. They have done it for you .....infidel.
They can make me the THEIR enemy, that's our of my control. But, I refuse to make them MY enemy. It's part of my moral compass. I learned it from Jesus of Nazareth.
 
They can make me the THEIR enemy, that's our of my control. But, I refuse to make them MY enemy. It's part of my moral compass. I learned it from Jesus of Nazareth.
soooo when they come to kill you are you just going to stand there and take it?
 
Who the hell are you talking about????

Will they spare me???

Are you THAT paranoid?
paranoid? try aware. do you understand "death to america" and are you in fact an american? but you are not worried? do you think they are just joking 'bout all that? and you seem to profess to be a christian also.
 
paranoid? try aware. do you understand "death to america" and are you in fact an american? but you are not worried? do you think they are just joking 'bout all that? and you seem to profess to be a christian also.
You can mask your fear and hatred, or both, by saying "aware" if that makes you feel less fearful, consciously. But, I promise you, and you know this, you are afraid of these people. I'm not afraid of them. I realize that some of them have contempt and ill will toward the US and Israel. But, I feel quite sure that most of them are not waiting for the opportunity to kill us, let alone me. My instincts tell me, quite clearly, that the actual PEOPLE mean me no more harm than I mean toward them. Now, the people in power, or in government? They stand to lose or gain a great deal from the whole thing. But, the people in my government are just as potentially-volatile as theirs. I'm not afraid of the average people at all.
 
Bigotry is such an ugly aspect of human psychology. I bet you guys think every black male is a criminal.

Islam has plenty of problems. Just like every other organized religion. Get off your high horses. Every Muslim is not a rapist. Very few of them are actually.
The issue is not whether "every Muslim is a rapist." No one is saying that and you are just attacking other people's character falsely. The issue is whether Mohammed was and taught his followers to be the same, and the answer is absolutely he was and taught that.
 
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