Seth Trimbell and Drake Powell

[superstar57]

Trying to figure who stays and who goes next year. I came to one conclusion, UNC needs to keep Seth and Drake for another year. I am concerned Seth may want to test out his value in the portal, and concerned Powell may be selected in the draft.

Seth is due for an explosive season, and the highlights alone may be worth him staying. RJ Davis leaving is the real reason I think he should stay. The playing time for Seth will be there, and the green light should be there to, we will need his scoring.

Powell staying is about his value, I don't think transferring does anything for his draft stock, but a big year could put him in top 10 in 2026 draft. For us it provides another high level player who can defend multiple positions. Just having Seth and Drake makes your defense respectable.

EC could definitely be used next year, but his spot is always about are we getting a Big. If Caleb Wilson is his only respectable big, and him being a freshman I would have my doubts about EC's value to us. If EC left would you hand the keys to Seth? Is EC's pass first mentality the way to get some bigs in the portal?

Washington, I don't know him, but I think he would be smart to stay with UNC. If we make a run next year, Washington will be important as a role player. If he gets that 3 to fall next year, I could see Washington having some big moments.

Lubin I could have grouped with Seth and Drake to be honest as a must have next year. Lubin is an undersized power forward often times asked to play center. Withers gone Lubins minutes could increase. Lubin more of that grinding mentality should find playing time and a better role than playing center or power forward along side Jalen Washington next year.

Can't wait for the portal to open up, next season depends on it!

 

[Quest4Seven]

i think we all love seth but next season will be as much of a disappointment as this year if we are banking on him to be our #1 backcourt scorer. much like how everyone except Gary knew handing the 5 spot keys to Washington this year would be a disaster

 

[Spaceytoyz]

I’m ok with Drake Caleb 2 Freshmen and Portal players

Our season will end at 1-12 versus teams that are good

RJ Ian Withers Gone regardless

I would keep Lubin if he’s willing to except less minutes

 

[gary-7]

Trying to figure who stays and who goes next year. I came to one conclusion, UNC needs to keep Seth and Drake for another year. I am concerned Seth may want to test out his value in the portal, and concerned Powell may be selected in the draft.

Seth is due for an explosive season, and the highlights alone may be worth him staying. RJ Davis leaving is the real reason I think he should stay. The playing time for Seth will be there, and the green light should be there to, we will need his scoring.

Powell staying is about his value, I don't think transferring does anything for his draft stock, but a big year could put him in top 10 in 2026 draft. For us it provides another high level player who can defend multiple positions. Just having Seth and Drake makes your defense respectable.

EC could definitely be used next year, but his spot is always about are we getting a Big. If Caleb Wilson is his only respectable big, and him being a freshman I would have my doubts about EC's value to us. If EC left would you hand the keys to Seth? Is EC's pass first mentality the way to get some bigs in the portal?

Washington, I don't know him, but I think he would be smart to stay with UNC. If we make a run next year, Washington will be important as a role player. If he gets that 3 to fall next year, I could see Washington having some big moments.

Lubin I could have grouped with Seth and Drake to be honest as a must have next year. Lubin is an undersized power forward often times asked to play center. Withers gone Lubins minutes could increase. Lubin more of that grinding mentality should find playing time and a better role than playing center or power forward along side Jalen Washington next year.

Can't wait for the portal to open up, next season depends on it!

If you want Wilson here you sure as hell better hope EC stays.

 

[gary-7]

i think we all love seth but next season will be as much of a disappointment as this year if we are banking on him to be our #1 backcourt scorer. much like how everyone except Gary knew handing the 5 spot keys to Washington this year would be a disaster

GFY.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

Seth and EC want to be true Stars but at UNC that level is 4th 5th option and if they can get that at another place they should

Washington Brown Tyson you can upgrade that in the portal very easily

 

[Spaceytoyz]

Again if EC and Seth are willing to share with bigger portal athletes at their position it could work I just think kids today aren’t gonna

 

[Kool1234567]

If you want Wilson here you sure as hell better hope EC stays.

So if EC hits the portal no Wilson…

 

[gary-7]

So if EC hits the portal no Wilson…

While money talks these days (and thus nothing is certain), let's just say that would be a very likely outcome.

 

[Quest4Seven]

GFY.

Sucks that Platek doesnt have any eligibility left otherwise he could be our starting PG if Cadeau leaves

 

[gary-7]

Sucks that Platek doesnt have any eligibility left otherwise he could be our starting PG if Cadeau leaves

You're nothing if not consistent in your juvenile idiocy, I'll give you that.

 

[DaveChapelle]

If you want Wilson here you sure as hell better hope EC stays.

I've been saying that for weeks.

 

[tarwhiz]

If you want Wilson here you sure as hell better hope EC stays.

I don't think one has anything to do with the other, without any direct knowledge.

 

[gary-7]

I don't think one has anything to do with the other, without any direct knowledge.

Well, with some direct knowledge, Caleb wouldn't have committed to UNC in the first place without EC being here.
Feel free to extrapolate from that as you will.

 

[NorCalTarheel]

Wilson said that he wanted to go somewhere that had a great point guard. Think he mentioned EC by name

 

[tarwhiz]

Well, with some direct knowledge, Caleb wouldn't have committed to UNC in the first place without EC being here.
Feel free to extrapolate from that as you will.

Hopefully EC will be here, finding an elite pg on top of our needs at the 5 and shooting guard would be a tough ask from tge portal.
We would have to hit on all three.
I think EC will be more comfortable in his own skin without RJ in play.
That being said a starting backcourt of EC and Trimble can't be reality.
I would prefer EC with a stud 2 guard and Trimble backing up the 2/3

 

[NathanFielder]

If you want Cadeau and Wilson next season, then they have to upgrade at the 2. An unwilling shooting backcourt like Cadeau and Trimble along with probably a limited shooter/scorer Wilson will make the offense limited. And that’s assuming they bring in an all conference caliber 5. And that’s also assuming if Powell returns he’ll become a willing shooter/scorer.

The answer to the question is it depends who the replacements are. There isn’t a single position on the current roster that shouldn’t be examined to be upgraded.

I personally want a pretty different looking group out there next season. Either that or the current players need to get A LOT better (and taller, lol).

 

[Bubspub88]

I think moving Drake to his natural position at the 3 has generated enough interest that he and Jackson both look to the nba next season. I believe either EC or Trimble are back in Chapel Hill and either Washington or Lubin. Since Seth dipped his toe in the portal waters last season and Washington really hasn't developed much I'd guess EC and Lubin remain. The caveat being if EC still feels thrown under the bus by some UNC alum he may opt to move on.

 

[DSouthr]

Big time games from JWit and Lubin but I will continue to worry about relying to much on JWit hitting those treys. Per ESPN we had 19 assists on 28 made shots, that is out standing! Cadeau had 10 assists to only 2 TOs, again, outstanding. RJ played within himself, within the flow of the offense. Drake and Seth did a solid job making life hard for Burton, hated Drake got so deep in foul trouble but Burton is extra hard to defend and not pick up fouls.

As for the not so good, well, the not so good was Seth on the offensive end but I can give him some what of a pass for the work he did on the defensive end. But my man JWash, if we have seen all the intensity and focus he can play with then frankly the portal awaits you, we need you to much for this fading level of effort. JWash played 10mins yesterday and for those minutes he snagged a grand total of 2 boards, James Brown in 3 minutes snagged 4 boards, rebounds are about effort... Very disappointing. Really need more from Cappy Jack, he didn't really help us yesterday.

Harder task today, Wake is bigger and Salis is another hard guy to contain, need the shooting to continue, need to continue getting the ball to the post. I wish I could say for sure that winning this game even if just by 1 is fine but in a dog fight for one of the last invites to this coming NCAAT we really need to put up another strong win with a solid margin for the selection committee to have to consider.

 

[IDUNK4HEELS]

Big time games from JWit and Lubin but I will continue to worry about relying to much on JWit hitting those treys. Per ESPN we had 19 assists on 28 made shots, that is out standing! Cadeau had 10 assists to only 2 TOs, again, outstanding. RJ played within himself, within the flow of the offense. Drake and Seth did a solid job making life hard for Burton, hated Drake got so deep in foul trouble but Burton is extra hard to defend and not pick up fouls.

As for the not so good, well, the not so good was Seth on the offensive end but I can give him some what of a pass for the work he did on the defensive end. But my man JWash, if we have seen all the intensity and focus he can play with then frankly the portal awaits you, we need you to much for this fading level of effort. JWash played 10mins yesterday and for those minutes he snagged a grand total of 2 boards, James Brown in 3 minutes snagged 4 boards, rebounds are about effort... Very disappointing. Really need more from Cappy Jack, he didn't really help us yesterday.

Harder task today, Wake is bigger and Salis is another hard guy to contain, need the shooting to continue, need to continue getting the ball to the post. I wish I could say for sure that winning this game even if just by 1 is fine but in a dog fight for one of the last invites to this coming NCAAT we really need to put up another strong win with a solid margin for the selection committee to have to consider.

Good review but I do believe playing three forwards instead of the 4 guards will make the difference

 

[DSouthr]

Trying to figure who stays and who goes next year. I came to one conclusion, UNC needs to keep Seth and Drake for another year. I am concerned Seth may want to test out his value in the portal, and concerned Powell may be selected in the draft.

Seth is due for an explosive season, and the highlights alone may be worth him staying. RJ Davis leaving is the real reason I think he should stay. The playing time for Seth will be there, and the green light should be there to, we will need his scoring.

Powell staying is about his value, I don't think transferring does anything for his draft stock, but a big year could put him in top 10 in 2026 draft. For us it provides another high level player who can defend multiple positions. Just having Seth and Drake makes your defense respectable.

EC could definitely be used next year, but his spot is always about are we getting a Big. If Caleb Wilson is his only respectable big, and him being a freshman I would have my doubts about EC's value to us. If EC left would you hand the keys to Seth? Is EC's pass first mentality the way to get some bigs in the portal?

Washington, I don't know him, but I think he would be smart to stay with UNC. If we make a run next year, Washington will be important as a role player. If he gets that 3 to fall next year, I could see Washington having some big moments.

Lubin I could have grouped with Seth and Drake to be honest as a must have next year. Lubin is an undersized power forward often times asked to play center. Withers gone Lubins minutes could increase. Lubin more of that grinding mentality should find playing time and a better role than playing center or power forward along side Jalen Washington next year.

Can't wait for the portal to open up, next season depends on it!

I really think what we are looking at is at an absolute minimum is a broad shoulders 5, starter quality and a starter quality PG. I can't trust Dawson or Denis to be able to give us solid back up minutes at the point nor do I feel great with Seth in that role. If Cadeau stays how could we trust him to be able to stay on the court for extended minutes after these last 2 seasons? If he leaves then the need for a PG that is starter level becomes crystal clear. Cadeau is a polarizing guy, some feel he walks on water and some don't like what they see, what I look at is how has he produced this season and so far it has been a mix of good and bad without much stability. Can we replace the talent that Cadeau has maybe not but can we replace a small PG that struggles to jump shoot and is considered to be the most turn over prone PG in the ACC, of course we can. Hard for me to understand any other view on that?

I think we will target 2 centers in this portal, guys with size and length, I believe that Hubert now understands the value of size and how much a hole it is to not have it in your front court. I think you can go ahead and pencil in High as being on next season's roster and we have James Brown in the fold. But I would suggest both High and James Brown will have to earn their spots, I just can't depend on them for double digit minutes for now. We have a math problem at that point, 2 major front court positions and Wilson looks to me like a easy big minute day 1 guy. Wilson, High, JWash, Lubin, James Brown, 2 portal bigs.... 7 guys for 2 spots? Dealer gives you 2 cards you got to toss 2? What do we do?

Well first, if Drake leaves and to consider that Drake on most mocks is drafted before Jack is assuming him back starts to feel like believing in Santa, great until you consider reality. It isn't a question of are they ready (Drake and Jack) it is only a question of will the NBA draft them first round, would you bet your house on that one? LOL So what do we do if Drake leaves, first thing I would do may surprise many but I would seriously consider if Wilson can play the 3, I actually think he not only could but could at a very high level. Wilson would be all about it because the 3 is very likely the position the NBA will draft him to play in the draft after next. If Tyson stays around I would move him to the 3 to back up Wilson, don't look for us to roll out a 6'3" small forward or a 6'6" 205lbs power forward next season.

That leads us to Lubin, who for the challenges he had to face has been outstanding, he can't help that he is undersized for a center. I think he has played well enough that he would be able to make a big time NIL strike by entering the portal, he has earned that right. Clearly we must get bigger at the 5 and truth is Lubin is not all that stretchable at the 4 and we all know Hubert demands his 4 be stretchable. I suspect he leaves because his fit may not be good for next season if we bring in a couple other bigs from the portal. Hate to lose him but that could be a win win situation for all.

Takes us down to 1 more guy, JWash... Yall know, hard to find anyone that has been more in that kid's camp but this season for me was has absolute key to showing what he can do and the truth is he has been a strong disappointment. It may be in everyone's best interest for him to portal out and take a reset with another program. Sorry but sometimes it just is what it is. So give me 2 centers or 1 center and a big strong 6'9" or more POWER forward that can stretch more than Lubin can. Give me a starter level PG no matter what Cadeau does and maybe a really sweet jump shooter (but we may have that already in Dawson).

 

[DSouthr]

Good review but I do believe playing three forwards instead of the 4 guards will make the difference

Me to !

 

[NathanFielder]

I really think what we are looking at is at an absolute minimum is a broad shoulders 5, starter quality and a starter quality PG. I can't trust Dawson or Denis to be able to give us solid back up minutes at the point nor do I feel great with Seth in that role. If Cadeau stays how could we trust him to be able to stay on the court for extended minutes after these last 2 seasons? If he leaves then the need for a PG that is starter level becomes crystal clear. Cadeau is a polarizing guy, some feel he walks on water and some don't like what they see, what I look at is how has he produced this season and so far it has been a mix of good and bad without much stability. Can we replace the talent that Cadeau has maybe not but can we replace a small PG that struggles to jump shoot and is considered to be the most turn over prone PG in the ACC, of course we can. Hard for me to understand any other view on that?

For Cadeau, it will be about who his teammates are. If I'm just thinking logically... I don't think Wilson will be an advanced offensive player. I think he will mainly score in transition, layups, and offensive rebounds. I'm going to assume that the starting 5 will not be a high volume 3PT shooter. So if Cadeau is the PG1 with that 4/5, then the SG1 and SF1 need to be pretty high level scorers and likely high level shooters. For me, it would be easier if you had more of a scoring PG or at least a PG where it isn't a shock if they go for 15+. One that has that in their game consistently.

Cadeau is a talented developing PG. He has a long way to go but has come a long way in some areas. He's shooting 38.5% from 3 during the second half of the season. He doesn't shoot it enough for me to say he's a good or bad shooter. But he's been pretty efficient over a large sample of games, albeit a low sample of attempts. I always thought last season's 18% was a fluke. Very very few players are that poor from 3 with enough sample and I didn't think Cadeau was that bad. I think this season as a whole is more in line of who he is as a shooter. Low 30%, inconsistent, and an unwilling shooter.

The turnovers, foul trouble are concerning. I was also disappointed how he stopped getting to the FT line after the first 7 games or so. He's averaging 1.8 FTA/game over the last 25 games. His inefficiency at the FT line also makes it a difficult decision whether you can trust him in close late game situations IMO. So he's a developing PG, which is fine IMO. The ultimate question is who is around him.

I also think those that think Cadeau walks on water are very few on this board. Most people are pretty realistic with him. We all know the one who hasn't sold a single share of Cadeau stock and I think there's a pot committed element to that. I kind of chuckle because he said, "All I have to say to those jabronies is back off EC and Seth again and see what happens..." There was A LOT of confidence in Cadeau coming into this season, lol.

But again, a developing and talented PG. I think overall he took a step forward. But like any developing player, he has some ways to go.

 

[1heel4life]

While money talks these days (and thus nothing is certain), let's just say that would be a very likely outcome.

Get real. Wilson signing had nothing to do with EC staying or leaving.

 

[KeeLo]

Get real. Wilson signing had nothing to do with EC staying or leaving.

Hope we don't have the opportunity to find out.

 

[NorCalTarheel]

Get real. Wilson signing had nothing to do with EC staying or leaving.

Wilson himself said the opposite so... there's that

 

[DaveChapelle]

Get real. Wilson signing had nothing to do with EC staying or leaving.

Wilson hasn't signed a LOI.

You really don't have the slightest clue what's going on.

 

[al would]

I think moving Drake to his natural position at the 3 has generated enough interest that he and Jackson both look to the nba next season.

Not sure Drakes natural position is the 3 especially in the NBA. There could, and likely will be a lot of portal interest from a lot of UNC players and these days $$ talks and the SOS at UNC has got to have quite a few players questioning their role especially when they haven't got a clue what the offensive scheme or player usage might be in their next season at UNC. After this past season, as a player, does Hubert inspire or instill confidence in you as a coach?

 

[DSouthr]

Wilson himself said the opposite so... there's that

Wilson said a LOT of very interesting things during his recruitment, Ky fans were certain Wilson was committing to Ky because of his relationship with Jasper. Folks pay way to much attention to what these kids say during recruitment.

 

[DSouthr]

Not sure Drakes natural position is the 3 especially in the NBA. There could, and likely will be a lot of portal interest from a lot of UNC players and these days $$ talks and the SOS at UNC has got to have quite a few players questioning their role especially when they haven't got a clue what the offensive scheme or player usage might be in their next season at UNC. After this past season, as a player, does Hubert inspire or instill confidence in you as a coach?

Drake's NBA position is most likely at the 2 but in college he matches up more as a 3 because college small forwards are typically shorter. Drake would be a physical mismatch against most college 3's at 6'6" and 7ft reach.

 

[DSouthr]

For Cadeau, it will be about who his teammates are. If I'm just thinking logically... I don't think Wilson will be an advanced offensive player. I think he will mainly score in transition, layups, and offensive rebounds. I'm going to assume that the starting 5 will not be a high volume 3PT shooter. So if Cadeau is the PG1 with that 4/5, then the SG1 and SF1 need to be pretty high level scorers and likely high level shooters. For me, it would be easier if you had more of a scoring PG or at least a PG where it isn't a shock if they go for 15+. One that has that in their game consistently.

Cadeau is a talented developing PG. He has a long way to go but has come a long way in some areas. He's shooting 38.5% from 3 during the second half of the season. He doesn't shoot it enough for me to say he's a good or bad shooter. But he's been pretty efficient over a large sample of games, albeit a low sample of attempts. I always thought last season's 18% was a fluke. Very very few players are that poor from 3 with enough sample and I didn't think Cadeau was that bad. I think this season as a whole is more in line of who he is as a shooter. Low 30%, inconsistent, and an unwilling shooter.

The turnovers, foul trouble are concerning. I was also disappointed how he stopped getting to the FT line after the first 7 games or so. He's averaging 1.8 FTA/game over the last 25 games. His inefficiency at the FT line also makes it a difficult decision whether you can trust him in close late game situations IMO. So he's a developing PG, which is fine IMO. The ultimate question is who is around him.

I also think those that think Cadeau walks on water are very few on this board. Most people are pretty realistic with him. We all know the one who hasn't sold a single share of Cadeau stock and I think there's a pot committed element to that. I kind of chuckle because he said, "All I have to say to those jabronies is back off EC and Seth again and see what happens..." There was A LOT of confidence in Cadeau coming into this season, lol.

But again, a developing and talented PG. I think overall he took a step forward. But like any developing player, he has some ways to go.

LOL, man trying to grasp what you were wanting to say in this one, still not exactly sure? I want Cadeau back absolutely but I think I have been very consistent in my critique of his play, certainly does not "walk on water" for me, absolutely a work in progress. But I do see when Cadeau is in that we play at a noticeable faster pace, his decision making is erratic, at times he just seems to go brain dead. His jump shooting is no where close to where it needs to be, his stroke to my eye has not changed from his frosh season. Marcus Paige needs to get with this kid over this off season and re-tool that jump shot, that should have happened over last off season it clearly didn't.

 

[gary-7]

Get real. Wilson signing had nothing to do with EC staying or leaving.

Get real, huh? OK, I mean, his HS is right up the road, and I regularly converse with folks involved in HS/AAU and hoops training down here, but sure, you go with that.

 

[gary-7]

Wilson said a LOT of very interesting things during his recruitment, Ky fans were certain Wilson was committing to Ky because of his relationship with Jasper. Folks pay way to much attention to what these kids say during recruitment.

Yeah, but... uk did offer him more $$.
He's been wanting to play with EC at least since he was on the wrong end of one of Eliot's EYBL dime-shows (which I was fortunate enough to see in person).

 

[gary-7]

Hope we don't have the opportunity to find out.

Yep. It's really that simple. Letting EC get away would be the biggest self-own I could ever imagine.

Now, would that guarantee Wilson doesn't sign? Not necessarily, as the staff did a REALLY nice job of selling the Wilson's on UNC (and they liked what they saw) so it's possible he could come nonetheless, but yeah, it would put it at risk. So, yeah, let's hope we don't get to that.

Again though, here is the most cogent point: Wilson or no Wilson, losing Eliot would be an unthinkable fail.

 

[NathanFielder]

This reminds me 2 years ago when UNC lost all those guys (7?) and people were freaking out. I remember after Dmarco Dunn was maybe the third transfer and people said there was nothing good about this. Then UNC brought in some good players and some players that fit better. Then they had a pretty good season despite an extremely inconsistent season from a freshman Cadeau.

So I’m not going to say this player or that player needs to come back. It all depends on who the replacements are.

Cadeau is obviously better and more important than most if not all of those transfers. But to claim he’s irreplaceable is strange to me. This team doesn’t have any irreplaceable players. Thus they lost 14 times.

If they return, then fine. But there are upgrades and better fits across this roster that will be required.

 

[al would]

Yep. It's really that simple. Letting EC get away would be the biggest self-own I could ever imagine.

Now, would that guarantee Wilson doesn't sign? Not necessarily, as the staff did a REALLY nice job of selling the Wilson's on UNC (and they liked what they saw) so it's possible he could come nonetheless, but yeah, it would put it at risk. So, yeah, let's hope we don't get to that.

Again though, here is the most cogent point: Wilson or no Wilson, losing Eliot would be an unthinkable fail.

What is the time frame where potential recruits can de-commit from their commitment in relationship to portal commitments from existing players? The NCAA has totally f'd up "amatuer" college athletics .. jmo

 

[gary-7]

Cadeau is obviously better and more important than most if not all of those transfers. But to claim he’s irreplaceable is strange to me. This team doesn’t have any irreplaceable players. Thus they lost 14 times.

If they return, then fine. But there are upgrades and better fits across this roster that will be required.

There is nothing strange about that. There are no upgrades in his case.

As for the rest of the roster, yes, there could well be a lot of movement.

 

[gary-7]

What is the time frame where potential recruits can de-commit from their commitment in relationship to portal commitments from existing players? The NCAA has totally f'd up "amatuer" college athletics .. jmo

I feel ya vis-a-vis the NCAA, etc. And the short answer at this point is that nothing is done til it's signed, and "tampering" is a qualnt term for what is now standard practice.

 

[gary-7]

I think you can go ahead and pencil in High as being on next season's roster

That is the word, and that's potentially like getting a really good transfer. You should also know that EC is a big reason he stayed around. They are very tight.

 

[DSouthr]

That is the word, and that's potentially like getting a really good transfer. You should also know that EC is a big reason he stayed around. They are very tight.

Hearing anything about High adding some weight? He is one of a very few I struggled to evaluate simply because he needed added strength and bulk so bad. He has had a season away, I hope he has used it wisely, would LOVE to see that kid at 235lbs!