If the issue is that the position of authority is being compromised (student/teacher), then that's fine. But, a 17 year old woman-girl is definitely old enough to decide if she wants to have sex. I don't care if the partner is 17 or 71.
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Well, apparently this young lady's family doesn't think so.
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See, here is an example of the difficulties in such issues. It could easily be said this guy preyed upon this girl and used his influence to persuade her to run off with him. I think we make generalizations about groups of people and sometimes the issues are way more complicated.
I think you have to factor in a lot of things, like the relative immaturity of today's teenagers versus those from generations past. My wife's grandmother married her grandfather when she was 15. He was in his mid 40's and had already been married once (lost his first wife during the birth of what would have been their first child). She is 91 now, but back then kids grew up different than today. Most worked at a very young age and were way more self reliant than kids today. Hell, my kids can't remember to put on clean clothes most of the time. We, as a society, have gone from training our kids for life to pampering them to prevent them from having to live life and learn hard lessons. Because of that, they are less mature, IMHO, than kids their age 100 years ago. Heck, they aren't as mature as I was at 17. I could cook, clean the house, change the oil in my car, wash my own clothes, build fires from scratch and used to go camping by myself and hunt and fish for what I ate. My kids have no clue how to do a lot of that. I blame myself, but I have tried to teach them some of it, they just don't care about it. They are moody, act out and can't handle difficult situations and conflict near as well as I did.
Consequently, they also can't handle relationships very well either. Hence the reason I think it is somewhat dangerous for a 17 year old now to get into a sexual relationship with someone older. Of course, there are some kids who could handle it just fine, but many can't.
I don't know what the answer is, but we sure do live in some interesting times!
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See, here is an example of the difficulties in such issues. It could easily be said this guy preyed upon this girl and used his influence to persuade her to run off with him. I think we make generalizations about groups of people and sometimes the issues are way more complicated.
I think you have to factor in a lot of things, like the relative immaturity of today's teenagers versus those from generations past. My wife's grandmother married her grandfather when she was 15. He was in his mid 40's and had already been married once (lost his first wife during the birth of what would have been their first child). She is 91 now, but back then kids grew up different than today. Most worked at a very young age and were way more self reliant than kids today. Hell, my kids can't remember to put on clean clothes most of the time. We, as a society, have gone from training our kids for life to pampering them to prevent them from having to live life and learn hard lessons. Because of that, they are less mature, IMHO, than kids their age 100 years ago. Heck, they aren't as mature as I was at 17. I could cook, clean the house, change the oil in my car, wash my own clothes, build fires from scratch and used to go camping by myself and hunt and fish for what I ate. My kids have no clue how to do a lot of that. I blame myself, but I have tried to teach them some of it, they just don't care about it. They are moody, act out and can't handle difficult situations and conflict near as well as I did.
Consequently, they also can't handle relationships very well either. Hence the reason I think it is somewhat dangerous for a 17 year old now to get into a sexual relationship with someone older. Of course, there are some kids who could handle it just fine, but many can't.
I don't know what the answer is, but we sure do live in some interesting times!
guys, seriously...this staying to oneself stuff?...have we seen a high-profile case yet that involved a setup the: power?
i recall an account manager explaining to me how she gave a bj...is that sexual harassment or misconduct?...is it unwanted behavior in the corporate world today, sure.
i recall an account manager explaining to me how she gave a bj...is that sexual harassment or misconduct?...is it unwanted behavior in the corporate world today, sure.
I think it's interesting conversation not unwanted behavior. I worked at a large Bio company years ago and those women could tell stories that would make a sailor blush.
Kinda speaks to my point about immaturity, doesn't it? It ain't just the kids who are immature, it is a lot of adults, too.
I had a female boss (who was smoking hot) in my first job out of college. She used to crack dirty jokes with us all the time and I laughed it off. She even chuckled at some of the guys at our bread and butter client talking about going to a strip club after work one night and inviting her to go. I seem to recall her telling one of them she would have to give the ladies there a lesson or two on how to do their job.
Point is, no one batted an eye at any of that on either side. It was bantering on both sides and no one took it serious. Not in today's world.
I had a female boss (who was smoking hot) in my first job out of college. She used to crack dirty jokes with us all the time and I laughed it off. She even chuckled at some of the guys at our bread and butter client talking about going to a strip club after work one night and inviting her to go. I seem to recall her telling one of them she would have to give the ladies there a lesson or two on how to do their job.
Point is, no one batted an eye at any of that on either side. It was bantering on both sides and no one took it serious. Not in today's world.
Then don't comment on your coworkers' dress or physical appearance. Like I said, it's a really easy solution.
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I agree with that. Fewer and fewer people are responsible for their own decisions and consequences, because it's always someone else's fault. That entitled attitude annoys the piss outta me. However, by following my advice above, you can ensure that you're never responsible for encouraging that kind of behavior. It's a win-win as far as I'm concerned.
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Well that's because back when that happened, if you went public with that info - you'd get an "ok.... and?" response, and that would be that.
In today's culture, you have a chance (likelihood if the person you're accusing is famous) of getting on the news/TV and having people feel bad for you having to experience that. Much more incentive for people to open up and claim harassment now.
Well, like @coolwaterunc said, I guess we could just not interact with each other and make sure we don't offend. That's such a nice society we've created, huh? Keep your head down, don't make eye contact and don't speak unless spoken to. If you do have to say something to someone, think long and hard about what you're going to say before saying it. Ain't life grand?
My friend's company has adopted a "no hugging" policy in the wake of all of this. They want to ensure there's no inappropriate touching going on.
Overreacting about it isn't the answer either.
Again, there is nothing difficult about being gregarious and affable without making unwelcome sexual comments or advances towards others. Nothing at all.
That's assuming that everyone has the same definition of "sexual comments and advances towards others", which I contend, isn't the case.
One good thing that might come out of all this is the bro hug might get retired and men can go back to just shaking hands.
Agreed - definitely not that hard at all to not sexually harass. Honestly, with some of the reports of groping and rubbing themselves on women, I'd find it harder to actually follow through and do that - it'd be so awkward.
I don't blame companies for overreacting though. Better to implement what is essentially a "no touching" policy, as opposed to having one guy give someone a hug and have the recipient later claim it was more than that, even if it wasn't.. Why leave themselves open to that liability?
Pretty dang good read on this subject, IMHO. Hits on a lot of what we have discussed here and sums up how I feel about a lot of this myself.
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That article is perfect. Absolutely perfect. I’ll bookmark that and simply use it whenever the subject comes up. Thanks LJ.
Yea the summer of my 18th year i had a fwb relationship with a 36 year old divorcee. She frequented the black mtn public swimming pool where i life guarded. I really learned the uh...”ins and outs” so to speak
Had one 37 yo my soph year in college. Was a good setup. She'd come pick me up, take me to her place, bought the beer and take me back. Was a good deal till I looked up in the stands during a baseball game and she's sitting behind my folks
Had one 37 yo my soph year in college. Was a good setup. She'd come pick me up, take me to her place, bought the beer and take me back. Was a good deal till I looked up in the stands during a baseball game and she's sitting behind my folks
Wife and i were at a club downtown late one night. She was pretty buzzed and the music was thumping and the place was dark with lazer lights bouncing and smoke in the air. Suddenly a girl grabs her from behind and they’re all rocking and groovin and i’m like “oh hell yea” and then she turns around to see our 23 year old daughter.
Had one 37 yo my soph year in college. Was a good setup. She'd come pick me up, take me to her place, bought the beer and take me back. Was a good deal till I looked up in the stands during a baseball game and she's sitting behind my folks
will anyone be surprised when roy moore wins this race?
what a disgrace.
and who was that on here saying “we’re fine, the country is fine” when charlottesville went down?
what a disgrace.
and who was that on here saying “we’re fine, the country is fine” when charlottesville went down?
This country is not fine. But I suspect you and I differ on reasons for that.
One person died at Charlottesville. I mean, yes, that's awful. But I bet 5 people died in Chicago that same weekend.
But that’s none of my business. (Insert Kermit the Frog drinking tea picture)
When you actually listen to him speak in this Kimmel lampoon bit, he reminds me of George Wallace with the "Segregation now, Segregation tomorrow, and Segregation forever..." crap. Just another old, white guy that is convinced it's still the antebellum years if we just squeeze our eyes together hard enough.
I'm sure it didn't take a weekend for that to happen.
No he didn't answer either. He just said he reminds him of George Wallace. You just like what he said better than what we said.
And no, I will not be surprise<=That is an actual answer to your question.
What is really tragic about that race is the political climate of Alabama (and many other places). Just like the Kimmel video reveals; Those people are afraid of "Democrat." It's like being afraid of "Islam." They have no fvcking clue what any of them are, but the people that profit from exploiting them, and their fear of those things, sure do.
true, he didn’t answer...he did provide an example of what it’s about though...i guess i appreciated it more for the question...no biggie.
Ummm... no, not kinda like that at all. Was Pelosi trying to villainize Republicans? Was she trying to be melodramatic in order to secure her job? Always! I'm sure she was. She's a politician, after all. I think you posted that in the wrong thread.
I know you have an instinct to react to anything with a "but, look at what they did!", and I'm used to that from you. But, I was talking about how people are conditioned to be afraid of rhetoric and their inability to think for themselves.
Sexual harassment wins the Time's Person of the Year.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nst-sexual-harassment/?utm_term=.240139f8f233
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nst-sexual-harassment/?utm_term=.240139f8f233
In a direct sense; NO, I will not be surprised. As GSD said, it's their choice. Truth be told, his indiscretions probably don't bother that demographic very much. As I mentioned earlier, it wasn't long ago that old men married very young girls all the time.
