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Still can't do any better than sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling l'm lost...
Anti-theist. After all those tries, I'm actually giving you a label and you still cant get it right
You literally quoted two different definitions yourself. Do you really not know the difference between disbelief and active opposition to the effects of the ideology?
Its quite simple really. You say yourself that faith is a virtue, no? You have to have faith because you cannot prove the truth of your doctrine. That much is logically indisputable. Since such is the case, have a little more of that humility you speak of, and accept the fact that not everyone is going to see the world in the same way you do. The rest of us are certainly no more likely of being lost than you are.
Its quite simple really. You say yourself that faith is a virtue, no? You have to have faith because you cannot prove the truth of your doctrine. That much is logically indisputable. Since such is the case, have a little more of that humility you speak of, and accept the fact that not everyone is going to see the world in the same way you do. The rest of us are certainly no more likely of being lost than you are.
Maybe those are YOUR definitions, but they are of no account, just as YOU are of no account:
Dictionary.com says you are full of crap.
atheist
[ey-thee-ist]
noun
1.
a person who denies or disbelieves the existenceof a supreme being or beings.
antitheist
n.
also anti-theist, "one opposed to belief in the existence of a god," 1813; see anti- + theist. Related:Antitheistic.
You are parsing a distinction where there is no difference. You have issues.
So, provide the "well recognized" definitions of the two of which you refer. Webster's, dictionary.com, any widely recognized dictionary will do... OBTW, I provided the dictionary. com versions. You really look foolish all the time, just saying'...
The well recognized difference is the atheist does not believe, and the anti-theist actively engages in opposing any preachment of theistic religions.
The atheist simply says I do not believe in God. But he leaves it at that.
The anti-theist says that the preaching of the existence of God is fundamentally wicked and/or illogical. Well known anti-theists like Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkings, Dan Dennett, Sam Harris, and countless others have actively participated in discourse to reduce the effect of religious thinking and show it for the bronze age nonsense that it really is.
The atheist simply says I do not believe in God. But he leaves it at that.
The anti-theist says that the preaching of the existence of God is fundamentally wicked and/or illogical. Well known anti-theists like Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkings, Dan Dennett, Sam Harris, and countless others have actively participated in discourse to reduce the effect of religious thinking and show it for the bronze age nonsense that it really is.
Provide links to established, respected dictionary cites or shut up. This other crap is your opinion. I don't care what your atheist gods tell you to believe.
You already cited a dictionary that gave you two different definitions. If they meant the same thing it would probably give the same definition...
You have literally no chance of shutting me up. So there's no point even letting that thought rattle around that empty head of yours.
You have literally no chance of shutting me up. So there's no point even letting that thought rattle around that empty head of yours.
I'm still waiting for a patented demonstration of all the different Gods floating around.
It's a stupid question? then why did you say that it was patently and demonstrably false?
All of these "Gods" are humanity's limited understanding of creation, reality, life & death, and basically molding God, and God's behavior, around THEIR behavior and preferences. You've demonstrated an ancient fallacy. I will give you credit for believing there are multiple Gods. If you believe it, I'll not say you're wrong. I'll just say I don't agree. Notice I don't feel a need to condemn you or banish you to an eternity of misery in some fiery cave. I always thought God did all the judging. But, people just can't seem to hold back! They reduce God to being themselves... which, in a way, God is themselves, but much more than that. But, you think God is separate from you. You've never been separated from God. No matter how much your mythology tries to convince you otherwise, you, and me, and everyone and everything is AT-ONE with God.
And, you know what? You're right about one thing; Creation is proof of the oneness of it all. You just base your understanding out of fear, and I base mine out of love. My understanding of God is not one of punishment and reward. That's not a lack of standards, it's just a different belief. I'm not compelled to kill or hurt or wish harm, or shame, on others that don't share my belief.
So, you can't demonstrate it.
It's a stupid question? then why did you say that it was patently and demonstrably false?
All of these "Gods" are humanity's limited understanding of creation, reality, life & death, and basically molding God, and God's behavior, around THEIR behavior and preferences. You've demonstrated an ancient fallacy. I will give you credit for believing there are multiple Gods. If you believe it, I'll not say you're wrong. I'll just say I don't agree. Notice I don't feel a need to condemn you or banish you to an eternity of misery in some fiery cave. I always thought God did all the judging. But, people just can't seem to hold back! They reduce God to being themselves... which, in a way, God is themselves, but much more than that. But, you think God is separate from you. You've never been separated from God. No matter how much your mythology tries to convince you otherwise, you, and me, and everyone and everything is AT-ONE with God.
And, you know what? You're right about one thing; Creation is proof of the oneness of it all. You just base your understanding out of fear, and I base mine out of love. My understanding of God is not one of punishment and reward. That's not a lack of standards, it's just a different belief. I'm not compelled to kill or hurt or wish harm, or shame, on others that don't share my belief.
Really? WOW! you're soooooo smart. Must hand it to you, you're much more intelligent than GOD. Who would have thought? Where did you get your notions of GOD or god, or gods?
By the way, UNCBoy... It may be hard for you to admit, but you DO believe in God. To make it a little bit easier to accept, I'll put it this way; It's not a question of IF you believe in God that a person must consider, it's HOW you believe in God that really matters.
Actually I'm quite certain I don't believe in god. I believe in physics
You have a more sophisticated approach, the kind that isn't really a threat to anyone around you. Unlike Nuk's views. But I still don't believe in the numinous.
No, I just believe in the scientific method and a materialistic universe. No god required.
You're actually on to it there. God doesn't require anything of us either. God is complete. I think you may have sort of a conscious aversion to it because of the use of the word God. That has a more religious reference to it.
Atheists and Anti-theists do believe in God, they just observe God in a much different way than religious people. It's basically impossible to "not believe" in God. The terminology and language can throw you off, but you do.
You've got to be kidding Strum. Unbelievable what you just said. Now you're creating your own definition of atheist. Unbelievable.
Easy to do when you have no standards, no Rock, no Northern Star. Strum is easily swayed by any shift in the winds...
I have a very strong standard. It's called "Don't hate people, or allow yourself to actually kill people (or have them killed) because you think you're superior to them, your country is better than theirs, or your religion is right and theirs is wrong."
Remember that standard. You'll need it so you stop stating lies like "you have no standards." You could be truthful and state it like this: "You don't have my standards." The truth is better, right?
You have no standards, just liberal political rhetoric masquerading as a standard. And, I'm not sure why you think your "standard" stated above is a real standard in even a political sense. It is just more rhetoric, spewed while you are pretending to be moral.
You have a form of godliness, but deny the authority and power thereof. The Word of God is part and parcel of that power and authority. You are compromising, lukewarm, corrupt, and faithless - in summary, simply dead.
Get into the Word of God and learn something, then actually apply it to your life. Learn why Jesus is more than just a good guy who should be emulated (you can say you emulate all you want, but there is no other name under Heaven by which men can be saved). Learn why He is worthy of your worship.
Then, you will know what you are talking about instead of spewing your liberal political rhetoric.
The book you refer to as the "word of god" is a barbaric bronze age myth. It has been edited and rewritten so many times you would have to be an absolute moron to seriously believe it is literally the infallible word of god. You yourself don't even abide by its teachings.
Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan. (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Easily as wicked a work of fiction as anything that humanity has ever created.
Ahhh, so now it's liberal political rhetoric. Gotcha. You can call it whatever you like, it's just different from yours and apparently you just can't handle that. It's not right, or acceptable, or The Word of God, or a valid standard, or anything else worthy of consideration unless it's exactly like yours. I'm not faithless. My faith and belief accepts and includes everyone, unconditionally and without judgment. I'm not religious. Religions ex-clude people. Or, rather, the people of the religions exclude. When religious people see someone like me believing in God, and also being accepting of those who claim they don't believe, or believe differently, they count me in the same pile! That's evidence of worshiping and serving your RELIGION over God.
It's funny, too, because, of the New Testament Gospels, I actually apply and encourage far more of Christ's teachings than I've ever seen you come close to doing on this board. And, you call me faithless?
By the way, some of that other condemnation you like to pass on to me, is really showing some anger and fear that makes your true nature come shining through. Your fear is showing and it's so unnecessary. Calling me lukewarm, corrupt, faithless and "simply dead" sounds like something the Taliban would utter toward people that also don't fully align with their religious beliefs. You're so much like those people and it's so obvious. But you deny your similarity because you've convinced yourself that they pray to a "different God." You worship your religions. And, you don't even realize how your own religions vacillate and shift in doctrine and adherence to the doctrine from one era to the next.
One other thing; Do you actually speak the word "spewing" when you talk, or is that just thrown-in here for literary effect? I always find that to be so pretentious when people type a certain way, but would never actually say those words in their actual dialogue. And, you can spot it every time!
One thing that is for absolute certain, Nuk. You are one of the most fear-driven people I have ever seen on this board. You are immersed in fear. I don't say that to be insulting, either. I say it as a genuine observance. I'm not embellishing with the words to make it sound like I'm insulting you. But, you display one of the most fearful personalities, if not the MOST fearful personas on OOTB. Your entire participation on the board is almost constantly a showing of fear or something terrible that you think is happening, or some gloom-and-doom end-of-times revelation playing itself out, or some political action that is revealing the same. You're like a walking, talking scary, sad, news feed. Nothing is ever good, or getting better, or funny, or happy, or even mildly pleasant.
The ONLY time I have ever seen you show any kind of evened-out, slightly pleasant participation on this board was sharing that you liked the band Nantucket and their song Heartbreaker! That, and the very rare occasion of picking football games... you are a constant line of fear and gloom and bearer of bad news that either liberals, or Muslims, or socialists, or who-knows-what is bringing the world to an end. If they are, it should be a welcomed thing for you! You should be joyous and doing backward somersaults from happiness that the end is finally here and you're going to get to be Raptured-up any moment. But, you speak of it like it's a bad thing, like we need to change course to avert it. That, to me, shows you're not even sold on your own religious beliefs themselves. It's okay and perfectly understandable. Religious beliefs are meant to be questioned! They're not infallible. They are human beings making commentary on what they THINK God says, or wants, or will do, or has in mind. God speaks to us as individuals. We act on that. It's that simple.
Lighten-up, man...
The ONLY time I have ever seen you show any kind of evened-out, slightly pleasant participation on this board was sharing that you liked the band Nantucket and their song Heartbreaker! That, and the very rare occasion of picking football games... you are a constant line of fear and gloom and bearer of bad news that either liberals, or Muslims, or socialists, or who-knows-what is bringing the world to an end. If they are, it should be a welcomed thing for you! You should be joyous and doing backward somersaults from happiness that the end is finally here and you're going to get to be Raptured-up any moment. But, you speak of it like it's a bad thing, like we need to change course to avert it. That, to me, shows you're not even sold on your own religious beliefs themselves. It's okay and perfectly understandable. Religious beliefs are meant to be questioned! They're not infallible. They are human beings making commentary on what they THINK God says, or wants, or will do, or has in mind. God speaks to us as individuals. We act on that. It's that simple.
Lighten-up, man...
You're going to need more New Testament verses to make any case toward protestant Baptists in regard to literal translations of Scripture being upheld to the letter. They will say the OT oppression doesn't include them... unless that Eye For An Eye part comes into play (or anything else that suits their need in a given circumstance). It's not a good idea to try and go toe-to-toe with them using their Holy Book. It's like going up against the IRS using the tax code to plead a case for loop holes or deductions that they won't recognize, but you want to use.
I'll help:
I Corinthians 11:6
"Yes, if a woman refuses to wear a head covering, she should cut off all her hair! But since it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut or her head shaved, she should wear a covering."
That's not very effective for the mostly-male participants here, but it was one that came to me from memory. My grandmother used to wear a prayer veil a lot. Then she stopped and felt bad about it. I highly doubt if God cares whether or not she had a covering, or if she ate meat on Fridays, or if she didn't bow to the sun when the tide came in and the rooster crows. But, if a person believes otherwise, I say go ahead and believe. Just don't freak-out if other people don't believe it that way.
Whatever you say, spew-minster. Face it - you have no standards and you are influenced by every change in wind direction. Whatever is popular, feels good, sounds good, looks good... you're all for it. But if it requires application of a standard, you cringe away... That's what happens when you have no Rock. You have no Northern Star to guide you. It's all about you and what makes you look cool... or, too cool for school, whatever looks, sounds, and feels the coolest to you.
This is funny. Almost anyone who knows anything about what it takes in the military to lead men and women into harm's way understands that those who do so have fear - fear in the face of almost certain death at some times. Nevertheless, they do what they are trained to do and what they are expected to do. They are willing to sacrifice themselves for the sake of their comrades, for the sake of their country, all the while having fear. Yet, they do so anyway. That is courage. Something you know nothing about.
As far as the end times are concerned, I will say I am ready for the Lord's return. Are you?
REVELATION 22
The Time Is Near
6 Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.” And the Lord God of the holy[b] prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place.
7 “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
8 Now I, John, saw and heard[c] these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For[d] I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.” 10 And he said to me, “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand. 11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous[e] still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”
Jesus Testifies to the Churches
12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”[f]
14 Blessed are those who do His commandments,[g] that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But[h] outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.
A Warning
18 For[i] I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[j] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[k] his part from the Book[l] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I Am Coming Quickly
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.[m] Amen.
"You're going to need more New Testament verses to make any case toward protestant Baptists in regard to literal translations of Scripture..."
If you are addressing me with this statement... well, I'm not Baptist. I'm non-denominational. I do not believe in a church hierarchy. No person comes between me and God except my intercessor, Jesus Christ. I read the Bible for myself, interpret it for myself, apply it to myself. All of the Bible is applicable to me. You are really hung up on church hierarchy and the interpretation thing and the label thing. Read God's Word for yourself and interpret it for yourself and apply it to yourself. Since you've admittedly done none of this, you have no standards.
Unlike you, I have shown that to be patently and demonstrably false. Not by opinion, or by citing an ancient text that is subjectively interpreted... but, by my own actions.
Your "standard" is simply your own opinion, it's subjective. It is not based on an objective, historically and generally accepted standard. Therefore, you have no standards other than those defined by YOU - which, in reality, is no standard at all. It's your opinion, that's all.
Would you like me to patently demonstrate how subjective and easily bendable your "historically and generally accepted standard" truly is, and how quickly it's "right" becomes "wrong" and it's "wrong" becomes "right?" I'd love to have the opportunity!
Never mind, you just patently demonstrated how it is subjective to you as well. Thank you!
I'm sure you would. Easy for someone who has no standard and boils everything down to moral relativism.
Yes, and I choose to use it as my Prime Standard and apply it to my life. God gave us all the good sense to read it for ourselves and apply it. You choose to not read most of it and you choose to ignore the plain language for those parts you have ever bothered to read. Indeed, you try to pick it apart every chance you get. Which would be fine, except that you believe anyone who uses a literal interpretation of the Bible is stuck on their religion. For the record, I am not tied to any particular sect or denomination at all. I don't need the Catholic church or the Baptist church or Methodist or whoever else's interpretation of the Bible to tell me what I can plainly read and apply myself. Of course, you already know that.
You guys are giving me deja vu. Next you're gonna have a beer together, become best buddies, and disappear from the board like taz and former.
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