Stats and stuff (dook game)...

[ChiShankCity]

I know +/- is a common, maybe loved stat - but its misleading in this case for Duval. Besides the dunk, he had one other FG (2-9, 0-3 from 3) and finished with 9 points. I don't know when his assists came, but his assist / TO ratio was 5/4. That's not good, if you consider every TO is a good candidate for a score on the other end. Plus his 5 fouls surely led to some free points at the FT line for Heels.

Joel Berry ended with 21 points, assist / TO ratio of 6/0.
Who had the better night? Who had the right to be woofing. Hint: its a guy in a lighter shade of blue.

If you think Dook would've won if Duval had stayed on the court....
1) BS - his in-game stats don't support that
2) that's on Duval, then. Learn how to defend without fouling.

Berry was 100% better last night. Berry was terrifc. I even thought when Berry couldn't buy a hoop, he played an excellent floor game.

Duval individually didn't have a good statistical night, but Allen playing off the ball helps him and is his strength. Also, I'm pretty sure when they had Duval, they were able to get the ball inside more effectively. We've seen this plenty of times with our teams in the past. When your natural 2 guard off ball guard needs to play PG, your team becomes really affected.

Plus/minus isn't the best stat in the world and college basketball doesn't have "real plus minus" like the NBA has. But in this case, if Duke's starters aside from Duval were collectively a -29, while Duval was a +9... It is an indicator that Duke as a team was much more effective with him on the floor as opposed to when he was on the bench.

Not sure if Duke wins if Duval plays 35 minutes... I think they have a much better chance of winning if he doesn't commit dumb fouls. And I mentioned Duval committing silly fouls. Obviously it's his fault.

 

[Archer2]

Every starter had a great game and it took everyone of them. My favorite under appreciated player is Platek. Trent had been getting into the lane from the wing and Platek shut that down in text book fashion. After that play, Trent settled for the perimeter.

Kenny was awesome, Cams shot(a thing of beauty), Theo(2 turnovers v. dook), Maye(battled all nite), Berry(gonna do what needs to be done for this team). Pinson with his best career game. Manley with the free throws, Platek and Robinson(he will break thru, maybe not this year) with positive minutes.

This team gave it all tonite. Roy has this performance as proof to these players of beating any team down the road. In past games we would get 2/3 players with great games, now maybe each player can see giving it all on off nites is critical for victory.

Outstanding post. It was a total team effort

 

[dadika13]

Duval's choice next season is going to be NBA or Duke's bench.

 

[bradythegoat2]

I mean I agree but in no way was Berry the best player on the floor last night lmao.

 

[Heelicious]

Duval was Duke's only starter who was positive in +/-, so I'm not sure he was playing for himself only. Berry got the better of him and Duval committed some silly fouls though. But when Duval was on the court, Duke was a completely different team. Grayson Allen just isn't a point guard.

I'm not saying Duval was "playing for himself only", not talking about his play AT ALL..... but putting your own highlight out on social media? Who does that? And after a loss? Unacceptable. I've heard the Dook fans are thrilled - I imagine the Rat is too, if it gets back to him. Posting that clip just screams out "its all about me, regardless of how the team did"

Can you ever imagine Berry, Pinson, Luke, doing this even after a win, let alone a loss? No way.
1) They're just not wired that way, from a character and team mindset
2) Roy would make them pay dearly in blood, sweat, vomit, tears if they did this.

Just two different standards for ego / humility between these Heels guys vs. Duval.

 

[gary-7]

I mean I agree but in no way was Berry the best player on the floor last night lmao.

Then you would be wrong.

 

[Sk1310]

Duval's choice next season is going to be NBA or Duke's bench.

Just like Frank Jacksons choice last year

 

[BillyL]

I mean I agree but in no way was Berry the best player on the floor last night lmao.

He wasn't . . Cameron was the one that had a monster game last night.

 

[TarHeelMark]

I'm not saying Duval was "playing for himself only", not talking about his play AT ALL..... but putting your own highlight out on social media? Who does that? And after a loss? Unacceptable. I've heard the Dook fans are thrilled - I imagine the Rat is too, if it gets back to him. Posting that clip just screams out "its all about me, regardless of how the team did"

Can you ever imagine Berry, Pinson, Luke, doing this even after a win, let alone a loss? No way.
1) They're just not wired that way, from a character and team mindset
2) Roy would make them pay dearly in blood, sweat, vomit, tears if they did this.

Just two different standards for ego / humility between these Heels guys vs. Duval.

I still don’t really know which one of those turds is duval, and honestly don’t give enough of a $#!+ to care. But coach k of 10+ years ago would likely discipline that me-first behavior. However, since the rat has sold out to the OAD model, I doubt he’ll do anything. He’s gotta take the consequences that come along with having these rent-a-stars for 35 games.

 

[Sk1310]

I mean I agree but in no way was Berry the best player on the floor last night lmao.

How can you say "in no way"? Berry was a beast last night. He was great floor general, attacked the basket with no fear. He was locking down on defense. Mostly played on Duval and Allen.

5-18 for 18 points combined. Did he even sit in the 2nd half? Come on man, I don't know what game you were watching.

 

[gauchoheel]

Dude, I am envious. Looked like the Done was lit!

Was an order of magnitude louder than the other games I've been too. People were pumped after every stop or score, it was pretty nuts.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Was an order of magnitude louder than the other games I've been too. People were pumped after every stop or score, it was pretty nuts.

How the **** do you get tix so easy as a grad student? I got tickets to ONE dook game the entire time I was in school, and it was like Phase 2 (not risers)

 

[trestyles]

Just like Frank Jacksons choice last year

Just like Frank, Duval going to be on a NBA bench if he never learns how to shoot. I guess he will sneak in the first round since this is a weak PG class.

 

[Sk1310]

Just like Frank, Duval going to be on a NBA bench if he never learns how to shoot. I guess he will sneak in the first round since this is a weak PG class.

Yep

 

[gauchoheel]

How the **** do you get tix so easy as a grad student? I got tickets to ONE dook game the entire time I was in school, and it was like Phase 2 (not risers)

I'd say only 15% of my program is interested in going to games consistently. That works well for people like me though, because if you can get a few non-interested friends to sign up you get 4-5 shots at the lottery. Since a few of us do this and you get two tickets whenever you win we can go to every game pretty much except Duke. Often we are sharing extra tickets with people who want to go with us.

Even phase 2 you can almost always get in the risers if you show up at the beginning of the phase. I got lucky and got phase 1 last night though.

 

[dadika13]

Just like Frank, Duval going to be on a NBA bench if he never learns how to shoot. I guess he will sneak in the first round since this is a weak PG class.

But they keep choosing Duke...

 

[TarHeelNation11]

I'd say only 15% of my program is interested in going to games consistently. That works well for people like me though, because if you can get a few non-interested friends to sign up you get 4-5 shots at the lottery. Since a few of us do this and you get two tickets whenever you win we can go to every game pretty much except Duke. Often we are sharing extra tickets with people who want to go with us.

Even phase 2 you can almost always get in the risers if you show up at the beginning of the phase. I got lucky and got phase 1 last night though.

I hate you, lol. My one and only Duke game in person was, wait for it.... the Austin Rivers game.

 

[notashelbyfan]

Then you would be wrong.

You know all jokes aside we lose that game if we get any less from any of these.....

Joel
Cam
Theo
Luke
Kenny

No since in bickering over the small stuff but with that said IMO Theo was the MVP not Joel but who cares.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

Theo was EVERYWHERE.

 

[tarheel0910]

He wasn't . . Cameron was the one that had a monster game last night.

I'd like to give a shout out to the guy on my left.

 

[venom660turbo]

I was thinking the exact same thing this morning.

The team attitude and dynamic has seemingly changed, almost like a light has gone on for everyone. Either the team circled the wagons in defense of their teammate Felton, or, and it pains me to type this, Felton may have been a bit of a prima Donna morphing into a cancerous growth the team could not escape from.

For the sake of positivity I am going to assume the happy former Vs. The respute latter.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I hate you, lol. My one and only Duke game in person was, wait for it.... the Austin Rivers game.

At least that was a good game (until that shot obviously).

My one in person Duke game was in 2010 (the NIT year). I did get in the risers, but had to suffer through a loss in which we could only muster 54 points.

Would have loved to have been there last night, that's for sure.

 

[Tom79]

It may also be that Felton's atty, Sutton, alluded to the fact this week, and I paraphrase, that "things will be okay".
Theo made both TO's.
Everyone was so much more engaged, active, talking....and playing together.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

At least that was a good game (until that shot obviously).

My one in person Duke game was in 2010 (the NIT year). I did get in the risers, but had to suffer through a loss in which we could only muster 54 points.

Would have loved to have been there last night, that's for sure.

Yeah, 2010 was my first year at Carolina. Of course, what should've been my freshman year at Carolina was '09 and the natty. I get to campus and everything goes to s*** and we lose to errbody. I remember being in the risers for the Virginia game that season and just getting friggin beat like a mule.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

I mean I agree but in no way was Berry the best player on the floor last night lmao.

You would get a strong argument from a lot of folk who know the game and watch more than just numbers.

 

[trestyles]

But they keep choosing Duke...

I'll go to dook too if they help me qualify for a blue blood, when I really can't qualify for a blue blood. lol

 

[tarheel0910]

My one and only Duke game in person was, wait for it.... the Austin Rivers game.

My one in person Duke game was in 2010 (the NIT year).

I think what we've learned here is that neither of you should go to duke games. It's better for the team.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

I think what we've learned here is that neither of you should go to duke games. It's better for the team.

Ain't like I can afford a ticket to a duke - Carolina game anyway

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

Ain't like I can afford a ticket to a duke - Carolina game anyway

Especially after last night.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Especially after last night.

Best dollar I ever spent*

*that I can talk about on a message board.

 

[tarheel0910]

Ain't like I can afford a ticket to a duke - Carolina game anyway

Maybe not now, but you know after you finish your masters degree you'll be like...

 

[Heelicious]

You know all jokes aside we lose that game if we get any less from any of these.....

Joel
Cam
Theo
Luke
Kenny

No since in bickering over the small stuff but with that said IMO Theo was the MVP not Joel but who cares.

Perfect response, IMO. At least that's the way I look at it. Why even have to designate who is the player of the game - what purpose does it serve - except to denigrate or diminish the contributions of the other starters (and what Platek and Brooks gave off the bench?)

I was thinking of it like you said - if ANY ONE of these starting 5 gives us just a little less, or makes one fewer plays, or takes a couple posessions off, we likely lose. It was as great a TEAM effort as I can remember, with ALL 5 starters having a big time game, each in their own way, exactly the way that was needed.

So the need to single out one guy as needing extra accolades or attention, I don't get. And Joel Berry sure wouldn't ask for that recognition, either. He'd deflect to his team and coaches. Always has.

 

[dadika13]

Maybe not now, but you know after you finish your masters degree you'll be like...

They weren't kidding about Zion putting on weight...

 

[tarheel0910]

They weren't kidding about Zion putting on weight...

 

[FranktheHeel]

And what is Roy Williams doing tonight to celebrate the dook win, well he's going to Leaky's Black Senior Night. After tonight, he will have gone to all 3 of Coby, Nassir and Leaky's Senior Nights, all during ACC play, nothing holds him back from caring for his guys. There is no other coach out there that goes to the levels that this man does to build relationships with his players. Roy Williams is simply the best around.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Zions height and weight have been lied about constantly. He is 6’5, 275 according to the ONLY official measuring system he subjected himself to (usa basketball) Obviously a freak athletically to move that size of a frame like he does but really where would he have started at? I mean dont get me wrong if coach williams wants a guy then i aint second guessing him for one minute. But imo he wasnt going to just walk in here and be handed a starting spot and start putting up 20/10 per game.

 

[gary-7]

You know all jokes aside we lose that game if we get any less from any of these.....

Joel
Cam
Theo
Luke
Kenny

No since in bickering over the small stuff but with that said IMO Theo was the MVP not Joel but who cares.

There are plenty of props to go around for sure. Main thing is the guys looked like a team.

 

[KOOL123]

End of the day it's real simple...We have a leader at PG...dook does not...I have watched these games for many years and that has made the difference in many....

Now on to the hated in west Raleigh....

 

[tarheels0015]

any recruits in the dome last night ... I thinks francis & little were there just curious if any others if not premi info

 

[Lewis&Miller]

End of the day it's real simple...We have a leader at PG...dook does not...I have watched these games for many years and that has made the difference in many....

Now on to the hated in west Raleigh....

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No doubt about that point. What a great 4 years Berry has given us Carolina fans. Berry takes a back seat to maybe a few legendary point guards. I have viewed just a few of his pre and post game interviews but he is a unbelievable representative for UNC.

Duval plays hard but uncharacteristically gets called for fouls. The rat seems not to get upset at them(I maybe reading too much here but Duval may not be seeing things eye to eye with K , as far as his responsibility to the team is concerned). Regardless, just my opinion, we have a much harder time beating dook if Duval plays usual minutes. I agree he is a little about himself but, he gets the bigs motivated and can create kick outs for Tripper and Trent.