Alabama's stats vs Maryland
Non-UNC like stats:
-16-33 from 3,
-100% from the FT line
UNC-like stats:
also outrebounded Maryland 40-19 (including 15-4 offensive rebound)
- had 36 points in the paint (all of their 2-point FGs were in the paint)
Thoughts on Nate Oats
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Non-UNC like stats:
-16-33 from 3,
-100% from the FT line
UNC-like stats:
also outrebounded Maryland 40-19 (including 15-4 offensive rebound)
- had 36 points in the paint (all of their 2-point FGs were in the paint)
USC under Einfeld had similar stats too against KU:
USC 11/18 from 3 61%
Effective FG% 67%
outrebounded KU 43 to 27
Had more turnovers than KU 14 to 7, but 14 is a manageable number when you score in the upper 80s
Held KU to 29% FG% and 24% from 3 (6/25)
I know its one game, and people can say its a fluke, but KU was a legit 3 seed who beat a lot of teams in the Big 12.
USC has no bad losses this year, maybe "worst" is to an about .500 Utah team. Every other of their 5 or 6 losses are to teams who were in the tourney, mostly teams still around in the tourney Oregon St, UCLA, etc)
Einfeld just seems to have USC on a right track. He seems very analytical and logical, statistical....approaching the game as a math or strategy problem to solve; learning the right players to get, the right shots to take, right style to play, right way to train guys to shoot, to be successful. Seems to be far from excuse making or serving up a bunch of empty meaningless cliches.
Unc will not even entertain oats if when Roy retires. Even mods on 247 are alluding to shady recruiting going down at Bama and unc won't entertain the thought
Enfield's been thoroughly mediocre at USC up until this year, despite greatt recruiting classes. There'd be some guys ahead of him on the list for me.USC under Einfeld had similar stats too against KU:
USC 11/18 from 3 61%
Effective FG% 67%
outrebounded KU 43 to 27
Had more turnovers than KU 14 to 7, but 14 is a manageable number when you score in the upper 80s
Held KU to 29% FG% and 24% from 3 (6/25)
I know its one game, and people can say its a fluke, but KU was a legit 3 seed who beat a lot of teams in the Big 12.
USC has no bad losses this year, maybe "worst" is to an about .500 Utah team. Every other of their 5 or 6 losses are to teams who were in the tourney, mostly teams still around in the tourney Oregon St, UCLA, etc)
Einfeld just seems to have USC on a right track. He seems very analytical and logical, statistical....approaching the game as a math or strategy problem to solve; learning the right players to get, the right shots to take, right style to play, right way to train guys to shoot, to be successful. Seems to be far from excuse making or serving up a bunch of empty meaningless cliches.
How many of the ~75 power conference programs do you think aren't paying players? I'm going to guess very few. Some likely just pay more than others.
All I am saying, I am from Buffalo. He did a great job at UB. I know people at UB, and know a lot of boosters. He isn't dirty at all.
If he changed at Bama, then that isn't cool
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From what I can tell, there were some posters on TOS that said he had to be dirty because he was coaching in the SEC. No proof or anything beyond that. I guess it's made it's way over here.
I read that thread. IC mods are just haters lol. There was a Reddit thread 2 years ago when Oats was at Buffalo from an angry St. Bonaventure fan throwing accusations at Oats.
Also, as someone else alluded to, CBB is filthy dirty. It makes CFB look clean as a whistle. It's a cesspool. Hard for anyone to be clean nowadays.
Exactly. Ben Sherman on TOS.. his only "proof" was "well he went to the SEC..."
Excellent proof lol. Smh. Oats' roster is made up of barely Top 75-100 guys, so if he's dirty... he's not very good at it.
My only counter against what Enfield is doing this year versus what Oats is doing... Enfield has a sure-fire lottery pick on his squad. Oats doesn't.USC under Einfeld had similar stats too against KU:
USC 11/18 from 3 61%
Effective FG% 67%
outrebounded KU 43 to 27
Had more turnovers than KU 14 to 7, but 14 is a manageable number when you score in the upper 80s
Held KU to 29% FG% and 24% from 3 (6/25)
I know its one game, and people can say its a fluke, but KU was a legit 3 seed who beat a lot of teams in the Big 12.
USC has no bad losses this year, maybe "worst" is to an about .500 Utah team. Every other of their 5 or 6 losses are to teams who were in the tourney, mostly teams still around in the tourney Oregon St, UCLA, etc)
Einfeld just seems to have USC on a right track. He seems very analytical and logical, statistical....approaching the game as a math or strategy problem to solve; learning the right players to get, the right shots to take, right style to play, right way to train guys to shoot, to be successful. Seems to be far from excuse making or serving up a bunch of empty meaningless cliches.
But yes both are very analytical. Enfield made a lot of money in the finance world and Oats was a math teacher (statistics).
Ben also said unc would not entertain the idea and he is really close to the program... it isn't gonna happen
I am not on the Oates band wagon, it is just to NBA like for me and I do not like the way the NBA game is played now days. The 4 around stuff works well when you have the right mix of players but hot shooting from beyond the arch is not there every night. I believe you need a combination of shooters that demand respect to the point that defenses can not leave a guy and double another, the Leaky issue on offense. That opens the lane when defenses can not collapse down but feed the front court guys for high % shots & own the boards.
Depending on who we have back next season and maybe some of who we may not, I think we will have the shooters we need. I like a combination of RJ, Walton, either Puff or DeMarco Dunn to go along with 2 big men, who ever they may be. Leaky is the problem because he is a "we dare you to shoot" guy that is easy to pull off of and double elsewhere because defenses want him to shoot it.
Depending on who we have back next season and maybe some of who we may not, I think we will have the shooters we need. I like a combination of RJ, Walton, either Puff or DeMarco Dunn to go along with 2 big men, who ever they may be. Leaky is the problem because he is a "we dare you to shoot" guy that is easy to pull off of and double elsewhere because defenses want him to shoot it.
I don't really trust anything Ben says, tbh. If Shirell said it, which he didn't, I'd believe it.
Besides, I know we aren't going after Oats. We are way too holier-than-thou. We will hire Stack or Wes, neither of whom are remotely qualified.
1. You may think it's too much of an NBA style, but that's how the game is played now. The mid-range jumper is dead.
2. About shooting not being there every night, you didn't watch their SEC Tourney semifinal game. They couldn't make a 3 to save their lives, but they still won because they still score in the paint. It's not just 3s. They also rebound well. They accomplish the same things Roy wants to accomplish, they just do it different ways.
3. Dean was known for his innovation. He could coach multiple styles. Dean would adopt the 3-point heavy offense if he were still coaching today.
Would love to have Oates at Unc . Those claiming he’s dirty- what has he done to make you think that? His teams at Buffalo certainly weren’t filled with 5 stars who never go to that school, and as far as I’m aware neither does Alabama.
some really need to open their minds a little bit.
some really need to open their minds a little bit.
I have mentioned this before and I don’t have any insider info. I’ve been around Oats a few times here in north Alabama as he’s recruited kids. He’s great. Auburn hates him. Lies are spread because he wins. I do know for a fact that he tells his kids that they have the keys to the bus on offense, just as long as they play defense. His coaching ways are not as scattered as what some people think they are. There is a method being taught. He doesn’t just roll the ball out there and say go. Personally he’s a great man. Not a tail hole, and he’s down to earth.
Btw I’m not a bama fan. So I’m not being a homer, and I am getting tired of bama fans thinking they have arrived at basketball. LOL
Btw I’m not a bama fan. So I’m not being a homer, and I am getting tired of bama fans thinking they have arrived at basketball. LOL
This also isn’t like some flash in the pan coaches who everyone gets all excited about and turns out to be a flop. The guy has done it now at two different d1 level schools.
Why do you say that. He did work at Buffalo and is doing really well at Bama. Smart has been bad at Texas
No Hubert, No Stack....yes to Wes. I been around a long time (80+years). Been around the Smith Center for years as a usher. JMO
Probably the most legit ‘insider connection’ of anybody on this board lol
Ben Sherman is a complete waste of a brain stem.
I mean no disrespect to any of those guys. They are all Heels, and part of the family.
That being said... I'm not ready for any of them to step into Roy's shoes yet. In the next few years, Stack would need to show some signs of turning around Vandy; Wes would need to get a P5 job and succeed; and Hubert would need to get a HC get somewhere, before I would feel comfortable with one of them taking over.
If Roy were to retire before any of those 3 have shown they can succeed at a p5 school, then I do not want us to keep it in the family, just for the sake of keeping it in the family. Let's get the best possible candidate PERIOD.
Comments from Stack a few weeks ago that many swept under the rug would keep him from the UNC job.
Interesting. I recall people referring to the unfortunate comments, but I don't recall the exact comments. Did they have something to do with him as a coach being judged unfairly by media and fans based on his race? That's what I seem to recall.
Are the comments or a summary something you can share? Or I guess I can google it.
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