Tony Bradley?
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Obviously Tony will have to do the work and be that good, but I think we can count on Roy working his tail off to make sure Tony has a great year.
Partly because the team needs that, of course. But also think of it in recruiting terms.
If Tony returns, it's because he wasn't able to crack the 1st round. Or might have, but didn't like the odds.
If after another year here he's safely in the 1st round or even in the lottery, what does that say to future recruits? Especially to those wannabe-OADs who have enough self-awareness to realize that they might not be OAD and might benefit from learning from a HOF coach who knows how to develop big guys.
It says Roy is the coach you want, and Carolina is the place you want to be.
Partly because the team needs that, of course. But also think of it in recruiting terms.
If Tony returns, it's because he wasn't able to crack the 1st round. Or might have, but didn't like the odds.
If after another year here he's safely in the 1st round or even in the lottery, what does that say to future recruits? Especially to those wannabe-OADs who have enough self-awareness to realize that they might not be OAD and might benefit from learning from a HOF coach who knows how to develop big guys.
It says Roy is the coach you want, and Carolina is the place you want to be.
Because we needed another Tony thread?
You were the one that brought up stars. Not me.
Tony isn't putting in work?
In terms of UNC basketball, which is what this board is about, what else is there on May 17th? We're talking about a guy that can lift us to Final Four caliber in Tony.
Ah, that's where I'll go for an unbiased opinion.
You said something pretty out there and you're now trying to defend it. It's all good, I'm done with it now. Just know you make us sound pretty foolish as a fan base when you make outlandish statements.
Just saw a recent interview with Tony, says he considers himself to be a stretch 4? Says he handles the ball well, shoots it all the way out to the NBA trey, and that a lot of what he could do was not shown last season? WoW
Honestly, just shows you how much bull this kid is being fed, starting to wonder if we have another Ed Davis like situation, if that is the case then his staying in the draft would be for the best. Kid struggled playing out in space last season, feet were slow to recover, why it was rare to see Tony and Meeks on the floor together, neither had quick feet, teas high picked us because our centers really struggled to recover back from a hedge and neither could stay with the smaller guys.
Honestly, just shows you how much bull this kid is being fed, starting to wonder if we have another Ed Davis like situation, if that is the case then his staying in the draft would be for the best. Kid struggled playing out in space last season, feet were slow to recover, why it was rare to see Tony and Meeks on the floor together, neither had quick feet, teas high picked us because our centers really struggled to recover back from a hedge and neither could stay with the smaller guys.
Yeah, I think he's trying to do the Towns thing where "I can do it but it wasn't in our system to do it".
The only difference is Towns actually could...not sure Tony can.
His Dad basically said this in his interview, I said I thought he was a little salty. Everyone said no way.SMH
Tony obviously didn't need to play a lot of minutes this year with Meeks, Hicks and an ever improving Maye. I never felt he was in full game shape as few freshmen are, but I think the fact he didn't need to play may pull the wool over some eyes as to how ready Tony is for the next level including Tony. He frequently looked winded to me and was not the prototypical thin tall man in our system running the floor in transition or getting back on D. As stated earlier- he needs conditioning and work between this year and next to be an effective starter at the college level- much less pro. Yeah, yeah- he can get paid to do that- but you gotta know if we came in 2nd place again, he'd not have entered his name in the draft... I think a lot of kids get that championship and figure they have reached their ceiling. Tony needs to gain that UNC basketball freshman to sophomore 25 as aided by Jonas Sahratian and his crew. He needs to develop more strength and of course conditioning, grow into that size and develop the pro tools he will need to be a first rounder/ lotto next off season.
I won't sweat it if he goes- obviously hope he doesn't but kids make poor choices and take the wrong advice. Tony knows despite this what the right choice is- the smart choice-but $$$ and the glam of the league have a magnetism that is not easily overcome by a teenager whose aspiration is that lifestyle. Unfortunately- the aspiration is getting drafted to a team where he will be on their squad form day one- traveling with that team and maybe getting a few minutes in games. The aspiration likely is not the grind of the D league to make a spot on a team and to be constantly pushed by kids (and grown men who have been doing this for years) who are just as hungry if not hungrier to take your job.
UNC is the best school in the land with a legit shot to make serious noise next year and no one is going to challenge your playing time. Tony does not have to have a world beater season to be a lotto pick next year- he needs more development and tools. What better place to grow and in much less stress than the constant microscope and pressure of the league. Kids making adult choices- another reason the current OAD system is flawed.
I won't sweat it if he goes- obviously hope he doesn't but kids make poor choices and take the wrong advice. Tony knows despite this what the right choice is- the smart choice-but $$$ and the glam of the league have a magnetism that is not easily overcome by a teenager whose aspiration is that lifestyle. Unfortunately- the aspiration is getting drafted to a team where he will be on their squad form day one- traveling with that team and maybe getting a few minutes in games. The aspiration likely is not the grind of the D league to make a spot on a team and to be constantly pushed by kids (and grown men who have been doing this for years) who are just as hungry if not hungrier to take your job.
UNC is the best school in the land with a legit shot to make serious noise next year and no one is going to challenge your playing time. Tony does not have to have a world beater season to be a lotto pick next year- he needs more development and tools. What better place to grow and in much less stress than the constant microscope and pressure of the league. Kids making adult choices- another reason the current OAD system is flawed.
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Here we go with this "makes us sound pretty foolish as a fan base" crap. No one can make you sound foolish but you yourself Dadika. 94 is excited about Huffman's initiative in seeking help from Sheed and you just couldn't refrain from pouncing on his post because he said "more excited" versus "excited".
You're becoming a legend in your own mind.
You're becoming a legend in your own mind.
Pot, meet Kettle. Nice one Arch.
The guy had the opportunity to clarify his idiotic statement and chose not to...so he'll get blasted for stupidity.
1 - I think many people are overstating Bradley's impact for us next year (if he returns). I want him back badly and I think we go from a decent team to a good team with him back. But we lost too much outside of Tony for anyone to be talking about repeating as champions. Even a 3rd Final Four in a row is too optimistic to me. We won't have the scoring or the depth we've had the last 2 years.
2 - I like Huffman. I'm also pretty sure that the 247 composite ranking for him is that of 4 stars. Not only that, he's risen substantially as he's gotten looked at more. And I love that he's working with Sheed (although I find their skill sets remarkably different).
3 - @dadika13 - I find you to be one of the most knowledgeable poasters here. I agree with a lot of your thought process and the way you view our program. I just don't know why you're always quick to call someone out for hyperbolic statements or for an edgy opinion (or even one you feel is completely off base). And it's not just that you call them out, you always do it in a way that makes it seem as if you're belittling them. It's just not necessary. Just state that you disagree and why. It doesn't have to be so confrontational.
2 - I like Huffman. I'm also pretty sure that the 247 composite ranking for him is that of 4 stars. Not only that, he's risen substantially as he's gotten looked at more. And I love that he's working with Sheed (although I find their skill sets remarkably different).
3 - @dadika13 - I find you to be one of the most knowledgeable poasters here. I agree with a lot of your thought process and the way you view our program. I just don't know why you're always quick to call someone out for hyperbolic statements or for an edgy opinion (or even one you feel is completely off base). And it's not just that you call them out, you always do it in a way that makes it seem as if you're belittling them. It's just not necessary. Just state that you disagree and why. It doesn't have to be so confrontational.
I think we go from good to very good with TB. We have probably the best PG in the country, a top 5 center, a do everything wing, and a top 15 (by talent) frosh coming in. Not many others have that. Many people have also said we're a top 5 team with TB back.
I also like Huff. I won't link the comp, but 24/7 has him 3 still. I looked today.
Liking Huff and expecting him to be Bradley next season though are VERY different.
The feelings are mutual about knowledge here.
My issue is that I don't want us to become one of "those" fan bases. The UK's and Duke's where a few people say REALLY dumb stuff and we (and others) use that as ammo. I do care about our perception as a fan base. Maybe I'm the only one, and that's fine. So when someone says something completely off base, I feel like it's necessary on this very public forum to show that most of us don't agree with this wild take. Am I too sensitive about it? Yeah, probably.
More than we need another asshole comment.
After all, this Tony thread looks at a different angle.
Whereas your asshole comment is the same asshole comment you make several times a week.
Let us know when your act gets a new trick.
What we coulda really used is a Tony Montana thread . .
Like I said earlier, Captain Carolina, get over your self. I could care less how Duke fans view me or my alma mater. I am not living and dying on a young man's decision. Archer stated it best and I thank some of the guys who clapped back at your over the top sensitivity. Unfortunately, fans like you (are you even a graduate of UNC?) are a poor example of our fan base. You can't even enjoy the last team's success for fretting about a decision that may or may not help the team's future. But, you can gloss over the fact that a young man who is very eager to be a Tar Heel is reaching out to get better. And, he is doing so by reaching out to former players. As far as star rankings, I used it as an adjective to describe an incoming player and you were very quick to try and check me because it didn't fit your narrative. Basically, star rankings are just an opinion and it certainly does not determine Huffman's future, especially since the young man has shown his hunger to get better and his initiative to learn from the best. Bottom line, chill out.
Jesus wouldn't do that.
Arrogance and irony in one sentence. Good job.
Now that was well timed and just plain funny
Obviously, TB is hell bent on being in the NBA ready or not. So why continue with this "watch"? Why get all wrapped up in a decision no one has any control over? If you need any direction, go to you tube and watch the scene from Hoosiers when the coach admonish the fan base for not celebrating the team they have. You are basically that fan base screaming "We want Jimmy, we want Jimmy"
Y'all can sort out everything above but I took a peek at Chad Ford and he has JJ at 21 TB at 24.
In short TB will not be back if that is the case. Just my .02...
In short TB will not be back if that is the case. Just my .02...
I am thinking he will be a 15 and 10 guy next year just based off sheer opportunity. He can put himself in such a potential high draft position by returning. Though at the same time I can't blame him if someone promises him a late 1st round slot.
I am getting Tony fatigue bordering on Knox fatigue. I think Tony is a good player , but he is not an elite player and another season won't make him one either. He is destined for a McAdoo (James , not Bob) type role in the NBA. If he is a stretch 4 , then I'm a stretch limo.
I think we need more Tony Bradley threads. There's only 5 of them on the front page anyway.
"Arrogance and irony in one sentence.Good job."
That describes dadika's posts about how "others" are "making our fan base look bad".
That describes dadika's posts about how "others" are "making our fan base look bad".
Spot on David, and this is exactly what I posted on here when Tony put his name in. This is unfortunately the type of bullcrap he and his dad have been fed by some unscrupulous individuals in Florida for months now, e.g. "Roy won't let you showcase your game", "Roy will hold you back", "You're a Stretch-4", "You're ready for the NBA now, "Your draft potential is maximized", blah blah blah.
It still makes my head hurt that some UNC fans on this board act like he's ready when he is clearly not. Tony and his dad came to UNC with their heads on straight on a wise 3/2 plan. Unfortunately, as soon as he started getting some national media attention the leeches showed up and started blowing smoke up their asses.
A top 5 center? I'm unfamiliar with next year's college landscape at this point so I can't totally refute that. But that's high expectations for a guy that didn't really show well in the last third of the season. IMO, he'd have to make a monumental jump in his play for us to be a real threat for a repeat. But I think all of this is moot anyway because I think he's leaving.
Agreed.
Like I said man, I really respect the content of most of your poasts. I look for them. And I'm sorry if my poast was seen by others as a chance to pile on. That wasn't my intent. But the bickering around here really makes it hard to poast here consistently. I'm not blaming that on you. But anything we can do to prevent a thread from going that route, I'd support. I get what you're saying about the reputation of our fanbase and I used to care about that. But over the years I've come to realize that other fanbases are going to hate on us for something. That's unavoidable. Sooooo,...who cares?
Exactly right slinger. Who gives a crap what other fan bases think? We have knowledgeable posters and not so knowledgeable posters, smart people and lunatics, just like every other fan base.
Only Tony can make Tony a star, whether he stays in the draft or not. The question is whether or not he has the work ethic and drive to become a star. Time will tell.
He faded down the stretch and was easily fatigued. He needs to get into much better condition, get stronger, and develop a couple of go to moves. He can do that in college or on a pro team, if he's willing to put in the requisite time and effort.
He faded down the stretch and was easily fatigued. He needs to get into much better condition, get stronger, and develop a couple of go to moves. He can do that in college or on a pro team, if he's willing to put in the requisite time and effort.
I'm not saying Roy can do it if Tony isn't involved. I'm just making the point that we have been looking at this for a while now either from Tony's point of view or from the team's point of view. Both perfectly reasonable perspectives. But there's also how it impacts recruiting. If Tony comes back and is seen as jumping a lot in next year's draft, that's not just good for him, it's also good for recruiting.
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