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I think he was referring to Fox.
Fox is one channel. All the other channels have their heads so far up Obama's butt they don't even know when the sun rises or sets. So we have several channels promoting the Liberal agenda and one promoting the Conservative agenda. Don't blame the station because it's the most watched channel, the people choose which station they want to watch. Certainly, no one can force them to watch anything they don't want to.
 
What planet are you living on uncboy?

Actually, your statement couldn't be farther from the truth. CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC are all extremely Liberal and defend Obama and Hillary at every opportunity. Fox is the only channel that will criticize them at all. The media has been in Obama's pocket from day one.

Obama's pockets aren't nearly as big as you think they are. In fact whoever's pocket he's in, it's probably the same one the media is in. If you control the information people have access to, you control the way they think. The media keeps reporting that a third party candidate wouldn't have a chance, and so people continue to believe it is true. The media is extremely partisan and polarized, and amazingly, the public has also become extremely partisan and polarized. Liberal networks dont criticize him, while Faux news will literally blame any issue on him. It constantly keeps people divided and ignorant, which is ideal for anyone trying to maintain the status quo. It isn't rocket science. But that trap sure as hell caught your ass.
 
Fox is one channel. All the other channels have their heads so far up Obama's butt they don't even know when the sun rises or sets. So we have several channels promoting the Liberal agenda and one promoting the Conservative agenda. Don't blame the station because it's the most watched channel, the people choose which station they want to watch. Certainly, no one can force them to watch anything they don't want to.
I'm not blaming anyone or telling anyone what to watch or not watch. Those "TV Shows" have a product to sell. They sell it well. I was just clarifiying to you that uncboy wasn't talking about those other "News" channels. Fox is the most-watched. And, apparently, they do blame Obama for everything. I would expect them to do that, that's their selling point. I don't watch any of them. This whole "liberal agenda" or "conservative agenda" sounds like a big load of shit to me. Liberal and Conservative are two very indistinct labels. It's like saying you're Christian. You can think you are one, or both, or any number of those labels. But, the point is, there's no definitive example of any of them.
 
They don't blame him for everything, by a long shot. But they certainly aren't afraid to do so when it's warranted. And believe it or not, it is warranted sometimes.

The fact that Fox's viewers outnumber all the others, possibly even all the others combined, shows that it resonates with a large segment of the population. It's the same reason Conservative talk radio is so popular, people relate to it.

The fact that you don't watch any of them speaks volumes. I watch several of them in order to get a well rounded view. Just curious, where do you get your news? And how did you get so jaded about politics, religion, and people in general?
 
They don't blame him for everything, by a long shot. But they certainly aren't afraid to do so when it's warranted. And believe it or not, it is warranted sometimes.

The fact that Fox's viewers outnumber all the others, possibly even all the others combined, shows that it resonates with a large segment of the population. It's the same reason Conservative talk radio is so popular, people relate to it.

The fact that you don't watch any of them speaks volumes. I watch several of them in order to get a well rounded view. Just curious, where do you get your news? And how did you get so jaded about politics, religion, and people in general?
I'm not jaded about people at all. I love individuals. Groups of people are less appealing. Being jaded about politics is pretty easy! This country is an Oligarchy. You will have much more effect on your local and state elections. But, the national stuff? That's already bought and paid-for. The most you can hope for is to change the narrative- get people discussing and thinking in newer and different ways. If it makes sense, then it will find its way into policy sooner or later.

TV News is a sales pitch. It's intentionally biased and scripted. I will admit to listening to talk radio about once a week. That stuff is hilarious! They push fear, fear and more fear. Be afraid of Liberals, be afraid of Muslims, be afraid of anyone from anywhere that they don't like, or anyone who doesn't agree with "conservatism"- whatever that is. Dennis Prager is my favorite. Old white guys who have been set in their ways since they were probably teenagers. It's non-stop entertainment. And, again, they have a product to sell. They gotta keep you tuning-in!

People who use organized religion to manipulate a lot of other people is just something I find to be undermining their better nature. It's not jaded, really. It's just detrimental to us as a society and species. I don't mean that all religion is "bad." There has been some very great things that were borne out of religious belief. But, I think people are just moving beyond it's usefulness. Organized religion has served it's purpose. That's why it's slowly being abandoned. God is always there. God didn't create religions, people did.
 
I think there is a definite angle each media outlet goes for with Fox definitely being the conservative, right wing, "fear everyone because they want to kill us" outlet. Lately, every time we have a shooting, I have deliberately watched all of them simultaneously to see what spin they would put and as I suspected it was the typical one; Fox was pro-police, CNN was a bit neutral leaning more towards the BLM movement though, and MSNBC was pro-BLM for the most part. I think they KNOW they have to because they have a target audience. I am sure if I were to pay attention to the advertisements on each one, I'd see a pattern there as well.

Now on a different note but that is still in line with this thread. I found Trump's speech to be one of his better ones. At least he wasn't being a complete bafoon. I did find it interesting that he was supportive of the LGBT community, when his running mate has been very, very much against them. This should be interesting to watch. I'm sure Hillary will announce her running mate today and I expect her to pick one to kiss the butt of a particular group, not sure which one yet though. They all pander.

Happy Friday, it's a beautiful day! :)
 
I'm not jaded about people at all. I love individuals. Groups of people are less appealing. Being jaded about politics is pretty easy! This country is an Oligarchy. You will have much more effect on your local and state elections. But, the national stuff? That's already bought and paid-for. The most you can hope for is to change the narrative- get people discussing and thinking in newer and different ways. If it makes sense, then it will find its way into policy sooner or later.

TV News is a sales pitch. It's intentionally biased and scripted. I will admit to listening to talk radio about once a week. That stuff is hilarious! They push fear, fear and more fear. Be afraid of Liberals, be afraid of Muslims, be afraid of anyone from anywhere that they don't like, or anyone who doesn't agree with "conservatism"- whatever that is. Dennis Prager is my favorite. Old white guys who have been set in their ways since they were probably teenagers. It's non-stop entertainment. And, again, they have a product to sell. They gotta keep you tuning-in!

People who use organized religion to manipulate a lot of other people is just something I find to be undermining their better nature. It's not jaded, really. It's just detrimental to us as a society and species. I don't mean that all religion is "bad." There has been some very great things that were borne out of religious belief. But, I think people are just moving beyond it's usefulness. Organized religion has served it's purpose. That's why it's slowly being abandoned. God is always there. God didn't create religions, people did.
I'll reiterate. To each, his own. But I'm glad I don't have to go through life with the views that you and Chick seem to share. It sounds pretty jaded and defeatist to me.
 
I'll reiterate. To each, his own. But I'm glad I don't have to go through life with the views that you and Chick seem to share. It sounds pretty jaded and defeatist to me.

How so? Jaded? Defeatist? really??? I see you guys being that way about a lot of things actually. I can only speak for myself but I do not feel defeated at all. Frustrated sometimes with others views that seem way too aggressive and harsh in my opinion, way too much fear behind a lot of it, I believe but I feel free actually, never defeated. Jaded? hmmmm No, I see things from a more realistic view and am not easily offended so I find it hard to feel jaded at all. I will just have to agree to disagree with you on this one.
 
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It sounds to me like neither of you has much faith in mankind. And it sounds like you don't have any faith in America or Americans. And that's a shame because it's still, even in it's current diminished state, the best country in the world. I grew up in a time when people were unabashedly proud to be American. Now there seems to be very little sense of nationalism as our schools teach our young men and women that America is a bad country. And that is a shame because despite our issues, America is still the land of opportunity. That's why so many people are immigrating here, legally and illegally. Personally, I still love America.
 
It sounds to me like neither of you has much faith in mankind. And it sounds like you don't have any faith in America or Americans. And that's a shame because it's still, even in it's current diminished state, the best country in the world. I grew up in a time when people were unabashedly proud to be American. Now there seems to be very little sense of nationalism as our schools teach our young men and women that America is a bad country. And that is a shame because despite our issues, America is still the land of opportunity. That's why so many people are immigrating here, legally and illegally. Personally, I still love America.

Well, I can see your point there, sure. I don't have as much faith in the people IN America as I once had, so you're correct on that one. I see too many divisions now. It is not the America I remember. It has turned into a Left/Right, my side is right and yours is wrong, mess. It is sadly, in my opinion, no longer ONE nation under God, indivisible with Liberty and justice for all. So yeah, I am jaded a bit I suppose; however, I am being realistic @UNC71-00 because there is no way either of you can deny this division we now have. This is sadly not the America that my grandfather fought in WWII for by a long shot. People are too opinionated, myself included, and have this crazy idea that we must all somehow be the same or damn close to it and I cannot fall in line with that at all. I love each person's uniqueness (even those with hard hearts that are difficult to be around) and I truly wish people remembered what this country was all about to begin with.
 
I hardly ever watch the news in general, but when I do, I split it between Fox and a few of the liberal networks - but probably majority Fox. I like watching Fox because of how much it pisses off liberals that they don't sugar coat every race/gender issue, and don't think Obama walks on water. Just the fact that they need to try to demean Fox by calling it "Faux" and taking not-so-subtle jabs at it, makes me want to watch it even more just to stick it to those bleeding heart douchebags.
 
I hardly ever watch the news in general, but when I do, I split it between Fox and a few of the liberal networks - but probably majority Fox. I like watching Fox because of how much it pisses off liberals that they don't sugar coat every race/gender issue, and don't think Obama walks on water. Just the fact that they need to try to demean Fox by calling it "Faux" and taking not-so-subtle jabs at it, makes me want to watch it even more just to stick it to those bleeding heart douchebags.

I believe the term "Faux" began years ago because it was discovered that it was simply an entertainment network disguised as a news network initially and also because of Murdoch owning it and all the trash rags he runs.
 
I hardly ever watch the news in general, but when I do, I split it between Fox and a few of the liberal networks - but probably majority Fox. I like watching Fox because of how much it pisses off liberals that they don't sugar coat every race/gender issue, and don't think Obama walks on water. Just the fact that they need to try to demean Fox by calling it "Faux" and taking not-so-subtle jabs at it, makes me want to watch it even more just to stick it to those bleeding heart douchebags.

Totally agree. Liberals make me more conservative. I don't have anything against gay people getting married...until some liberal tells me that people who do are awful. I don't have any problem with trans people...until some idiot liberal starts running their mouth and telling me that I'm a bigot if I don't support that lifestyle. I realize there's probably some fault in the current law enforcement procedures and I'm willing to listen to ideas for change...until BLM starts talking about killing police. I know that not all muslims are bad people and I'm willing to meet in the middle...until liberals start brow-beating everyone who isn't one.

Those kind of tactics make me dig my heels in and resist any progress that could happen. And I know I'm not alone. I have watched many of my friends go much farther to the right over the past few years and they also attribute their move to the tactics used by liberals. Liberals are their own worst enemy.
 
Totally agree. Liberals make me more conservative. I don't have anything against gay people getting married...until some liberal tells me that people who do are awful. I don't have any problem with trans people...until some idiot liberal starts running their mouth and telling me that I'm a bigot if I don't support that lifestyle. I realize there's probably some fault in the current law enforcement procedures and I'm willing to listen to ideas for change...until BLM starts talking about killing police. I know that not all muslims are bad people and I'm willing to meet in the middle...until liberals start brow-beating everyone who isn't one.

Those kind of tactics make me dig my heels in and resist any progress that could happen. And I know I'm not alone. I have watched many of my friends go much farther to the right over the past few years and they also attribute their move to the tactics used by liberals. Liberals are their own worst enemy.

Very well said, and pretty much mirrors my view on it. Liberals would get a lot more accomplished if they could try to see the other side of issues, and address counterpoints maturely, as opposed to screaming "You're a racist, bigoted, nazi, zealot that is stuck in the 19th century and can't adapt to the times!" every time they get the slightest bit of pushback on their agenda.
 
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I believe the term "Faux" began years ago because it was discovered that it was simply an entertainment network disguised as a news network

Well damn, if that's all that's needed then we should probably start calling them "CNFaux" "MSNBFaux" "The New York Faux" "The Washington Faux" etc...

Somehow I think that's not the reason though, and it was just left leaning media that wanted to discredit those that didn't have the same agenda.
 
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Totally agree. Liberals make me more conservative. I don't have anything against gay people getting married...until some liberal tells me that people who do are awful. I don't have any problem with trans people...until some idiot liberal starts running their mouth and telling me that I'm a bigot if I don't support that lifestyle. I realize there's probably some fault in the current law enforcement procedures and I'm willing to listen to ideas for change...until BLM starts talking about killing police. I know that not all muslims are bad people and I'm willing to meet in the middle...until liberals start brow-beating everyone who isn't one.

Those kind of tactics make me dig my heels in and resist any progress that could happen. And I know I'm not alone. I have watched many of my friends go much farther to the right over the past few years and they also attribute their move to the tactics used by liberals. Liberals are their own worst enemy.

Honestly, from what you just described about yourself and others, it sounds like you guys have a problem. I can assure you I am pretty much in the middle on a lot of things, and with social issues, I have no idea why they are even issues. People should live as they want to but the fact that some are at times discriminated against and treated differently, thus prompting this "liberal" agenda of telling "you guys" something you don't like to hear. I can assure you no matter how extreme I believe the Left side might be, it will never, ever influence me to decide I should start leaning more towards one "side" over the other. I will not change my beliefs because of a bunch of extreme people on either side. period! They don't have that kind of control over me but apparently they do you. That's too bad, really.
 
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Well damn, if that's all that's needed then we should probably start calling them "CNFaux" "MSNBFaux" "The New York Faux" "The Washington Faux" etc...

Somehow I think that's not the reason though, and it was just left leaning media that wanted to discredit those that didn't have the same agenda.

If Rupert Murdoch was involved in any of them, sure! Call them that too.
 
we should probably start calling them "CNFaux"
I think that the communist news network is pretty funny. Given that CNN headquarters is down here in the ATL I've always wanted to go on the tour wearing a shirt with the logo below and see if they would throw me out.

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I can assure you I am pretty much in the middle on a lot of things
Seriously? I have no problem with you being more liberal, but you should embrace it. There is nothing wrong with being a liberal or a conservative. I find it hard to believe that you actually consider yourself to be in the middle on a lot of things. Maybe we just haven't discussed enough topics on OOTB that would show that you are.

with social issues, I have no idea why they are even issues. People should live as they want to but the fact that some are at times discriminated against and treated differently, thus prompting this "liberal" agenda of telling "you guys" something you don't like to hear.
You do realize how incredibly hypocritical your post is right?
 
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Totally agree. Liberals make me more conservative. I don't have anything against gay people getting married...until some liberal tells me that people who do are awful. I don't have any problem with trans people...until some idiot liberal starts running their mouth and telling me that I'm a bigot if I don't support that lifestyle. I realize there's probably some fault in the current law enforcement procedures and I'm willing to listen to ideas for change...until BLM starts talking about killing police. I know that not all muslims are bad people and I'm willing to meet in the middle...until liberals start brow-beating everyone who isn't one.

Those kind of tactics make me dig my heels in and resist any progress that could happen. And I know I'm not alone. I have watched many of my friends go much farther to the right over the past few years and they also attribute their move to the tactics used by liberals. Liberals are their own worst enemy.

Even if I took all of 0910's likes, those would't be enough for this poast.

The only thing that truly excites me about voting for Trump is to be able to give the middle finger to all these idiots who call Trump voters racist, bigoted, homophobic, sexists Nazis while stating that Trump is the evil spawn of Mussolini and Hitler.

Liberals are such frigging drama queens and so far over the top that they have become caricatures of themselves. And I am glad they are pulling out all the stops in this election because they are showing themselves to be petulant toddlers. And unfortunately for society as a whole, they are so quick to use such powerful words (like racist) to describe benign situations, the words are losing their effect and true episodes of abhorrent behavior (like racism) are ignored. Classic Peter and the Wolf.

And I know I poasted this before, but it bears repeating.

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Well, I can see your point there, sure. I don't have as much faith in the people IN America as I once had, so you're correct on that one. I see too many divisions now. It is not the America I remember. It has turned into a Left/Right, my side is right and yours is wrong, mess. It is sadly, in my opinion, no longer ONE nation under God, indivisible with Liberty and justice for all. So yeah, I am jaded a bit I suppose; however, I am being realistic @UNC71-00 because there is no way either of you can deny this division we now have. This is sadly not the America that my grandfather fought in WWII for by a long shot. People are too opinionated, myself included, and have this crazy idea that we must all somehow be the same or damn close to it and I cannot fall in line with that at all. I love each person's uniqueness (even those with hard hearts that are difficult to be around) and I truly wish people remembered what this country was all about to begin with.

Look, there is no more diverse country in the world than America. None. We have every race, creed, and religion known to mankind living and being practiced within our borders, and doing so for the most part in harmony.

Is there racism in America? Sure, but it's nowhere near as prevalent as those who wish to divide us want us to believe. And I challenge you to name one country where racism doesn't exist. People are inherently distrustful of things that are different or that they don't understand. Race is just one of those things. It may take another 200 years before races have interbred with one another enough before racism finally disappears. But there is no doubt that we have made huge strides just in the last 200 years alone. And that's pretty astounding when you consider that racism has existed for several millenia. Slavery was prevalent around the world just a mere 200 years ago, now it has been abolished worldwide. We've had two black Secretaries of State and now have a black POTUS, a mere 150 years after slavery was abolished. That's remarkable progress folks, especially when you consider that blacks compromise less than 15% of the population.

Unfortunately, there are many who still wish to divide us along racial lines, groups such as the KKK, the Black Panthers, BLM, and Aryan Nations, and individuals like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan. But these people's aims are conceived in hatred and in some individual cases greed, and like slavery, will eventually fall before the power of love. But it will take time. Several millenia of racism doesn't disappear in 200 years. But make no mistake, racism is declining and the pace of that decline grows by the minute as the vast majority of the world's people realize there is no place for it in our future societies.

And nowhere is that attitude exemplified more than in America. That's why it ticks me off so much to see hate mongers like those mentioned above trying to divide us instead of uniting us.
 
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Honestly, from what you just described about yourself and others, it sounds like you guys have a problem. I can assure you I am pretty much in the middle on a lot of things, and with social issues, I have no idea why they are even issues. People should live as they want to but the fact that some are at times discriminated against and treated differently, thus prompting this "liberal" agenda of telling "you guys" something you don't like to hear. I can assure you no matter how extreme I believe the Left side might be, it will never, ever influence me to decide I should start leaning more towards one "side" over the other. I will not change my beliefs because of a bunch of extreme people on either side. period! They don't have that kind of control over me but apparently they do you. That's too bad, really.

Great. Thanks for chiming in.
 
Honestly, from what you just described about yourself and others, it sounds like you guys have a problem. I can assure you I am pretty much in the middle on a lot of things, and with social issues, I have no idea why they are even issues. People should live as they want to but the fact that some are at times discriminated against and treated differently, thus prompting this "liberal" agenda of telling "you guys" something you don't like to hear. I can assure you no matter how extreme I believe the Left side might be, it will never, ever influence me to decide I should start leaning more towards one "side" over the other. I will not change my beliefs because of a bunch of extreme people on either side. period! They don't have that kind of control over me but apparently they do you. That's too bad, really.

We have no problems at all. You and your ilk are the ones with the problem. And as usual, you completely assume and then type a bunch of gibberish.

Here's a case study: Go be gay as you want. Live together. Get married. I'm cool with it. But don't require me to approve of your lifestyle. If you do, then I will go as hard as I can in the other direction.

Why is this so hard to understand?
 
Look, there is no more diverse country in the world than America. None. We have every race, creed, and religion known to mankind living and being practiced within our borders, and doing so for the most part in harmony.

Is there racism in America? Sure, but it's nowhere near as prevalent as those who wish to divide us want us to believe. And I challenge to name one country where racism doesn't exist. People are inherently distrustful of things that are different or that they don't understand. Race is just one of those things. It may take another 200 years before races have interbred with one enough before racism finally disappears. But there is no doubt that we have made huge strides just in the last 200 years alone. And that's pretty astounding when you consider that racism has existed for several millenia. Slavery was prevalent around the world just a mere 200 years ago, now it has been abolished worldwide. We've had two black Secretaries of State and now have a black POTUS, a mere 150 years after slavery was abolished. That's remarkable progress folks, especially when you consider that blacks compromise less than 15% of the population.

Unfortunately, there are many who still wish to divide us along racial lines, groups such as the KKK, the Black Panthers, BLM, and Aryan Nations, and individuals like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan. But these people's aims are conceived in hatred and in some individual cases greed, and like slavery, will eventually fall before the power of love. But it will take time. Several millenia of racism doesn't disappear in 200 years. But make no mistake, racism is declining and the pace of that decline grows by the minute as the vast majority of the world's people realize there is no place for it in our future societies.

And nowhere is that attitude exemplified more than in America. That's why it ticks me off so much to see hate mongers like those mentioned above trying to divide us instead of uniting us.


 
Look, there is no more diverse country in the world than America. None. We have every race, creed, and religion known to mankind living and being practiced within our borders, and doing so for the most part in harmony.

Is there racism in America? Sure, but it's nowhere near as prevalent as those who wish to divide us want us to believe. And I challenge to name one country where racism doesn't exist. People are inherently distrustful of things that are different or that they don't understand. Race is just one of those things. It may take another 200 years before races have interbred with one enough before racism finally disappears. But there is no doubt that we have made huge strides just in the last 200 years alone. And that's pretty astounding when you consider that racism has existed for several millenia. Slavery was prevalent around the world just a mere 200 years ago, now it has been abolished worldwide. We've had two black Secretaries of State and now have a black POTUS, a mere 150 years after slavery was abolished. That's remarkable progress folks, especially when you consider that blacks compromise less than 15% of the population.

Unfortunately, there are many who still wish to divide us along racial lines, groups such as the KKK, the Black Panthers, BLM, and Aryan Nations, and individuals like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan. But these people's aims are conceived in hatred and in some individual cases greed, and like slavery, will eventually fall before the power of love. But it will take time. Several millenia of racism doesn't disappear in 200 years. But make no mistake, racism is declining and the pace of that decline grows by the minute as the vast majority of the world's people realize there is no place for it in our future societies.

And nowhere is that attitude exemplified more than in America. That's why it ticks me off so much to see hate mongers like those mentioned above trying to divide us instead of uniting us.

Bingo.

And here's a tangent on why Obama makes things much worse: Remember Dylan Roof? He's the racist who shot 9 black people in the church in Charleston. Everyone knew from his actions and his social media that he was a racist. Obama correctly called him a racist.

Fast forward to Dallas. Micah X Johnson is the racist who killed 5 cops. Everyone knew from his actions and his social media that he was a racist. And Obama says? "It's very hard to untangle the motives of the shooter". F you Obama. It is not hard- the guy was a racist, just like Roof was a racist.

Obama has enabled and provoked all of the current racial divide when he could have been known as an all time great president who brought the country together. He wasted an opportunity so that he could enable the people, his supporters, who make money off of victimization.
 
Seriously? I have no problem with you being more liberal, but you should embrace it. There is nothing wrong with being a liberal or a conservative. I find it hard to believe that you actually consider yourself to be in the middle on a lot of things. Maybe we just haven't discussed enough topics on OOTB that would show that you are.


You do realize how incredibly hypocritical your post is right?

No I do not.
 
Honestly, from what you just described about yourself and others, it sounds like you guys have a problem. I can assure you I am pretty much in the middle on a lot of things, and with social issues, I have no idea why they are even issues. People should live as they want to but the fact that some are at times discriminated against and treated differently, thus prompting this "liberal" agenda of telling "you guys" something you don't like to hear. I can assure you no matter how extreme I believe the Left side might be, it will never, ever influence me to decide I should start leaning more towards one "side" over the other. I will not change my beliefs because of a bunch of extreme people on either side. period! They don't have that kind of control over me but apparently they do you. That's too bad, really.

Ok so let me put it in a more abstract way for you to recognize what we're talking about here.

Say there were a bunch of people that had red as their favorite color, and a bunch of people that had blue as their favorite color. You didn't really care that much for either color... you can see why people like red, and can see why people like blue, but didn't really care if people wanted to dedicate their lives to red or blue.

Well, what if the blue camp started running around screaming that everyone should like blue, otherwise they're a savage. The majority of news networks not so subtly propped up blue as a color, and threw jabs at the color red. If you wore a red shirt, people that liked blue would chastise you over it and make jokes. Wouldn't that make you sort of start to side with the people that liked the color red - just to stick it to those morons that were so crazy about blue?
 
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Ok so let me put it in a more abstract way for you to recognize what we're talking about here.

Say there were a bunch of people that had red as their favorite color, and a bunch of people that had blue as their favorite color. You didn't really care that much for either color... you can see why people like red, and can see why people like blue, but didn't really care if people wanted to dedicate their lives to red or blue.

Well, what if the blue camp started running around screaming that everyone should like blue, otherwise they're a savage. The majority of news networks not so subtly propped up blue as a color, and threw jabs at the color red. If you wore a red shirt, people that liked blue would chastise you over it and make jokes. Wouldn't that make you sort of start to side with the people that liked the color red - just to stick it to those morons that were so crazy about blue?

No it wouldn't. They can think, say and do what they wanted. Being vengeful and petty gets you nowhere.
 
Bingo.

And here's a tangent on why Obama makes things much worse: Remember Dylan Roof? He's the racist who shot 9 black people in the church in Charleston. Everyone knew from his actions and his social media that he was a racist. Obama correctly called him a racist.

Fast forward to Dallas. Micah X Johnson is the racist who killed 5 cops. Everyone knew from his actions and his social media that he was a racist. And Obama says? "It's very hard to untangle the motives of the shooter". F you Obama. It is not hard- the guy was a racist, just like Roof was a racist.

Obama has enabled and provoked all of the current racial divide when he could have been known as an all time great president who brought the country together. He wasted an opportunity so that he could enable the people, his supporters, who make money off of victimization.
Spot on UNC71. Some people will openly tell you that black people can't be racists because they belong to a minority. What utter nonsense! Is it possible to be any more racist than Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton?

And therein lies my biggest disappointment with Obama. I knew he was a socialist and that I wasn't going to like some of his policies, but I could live with that because the people had spoken by electing him. But I did hope that he would further unify our country racially. Being the first black POTUS gave him an unprecedented opportunity to do so.

But instead of inspiring young blacks by using his life as an example of what a poor black child from a mixed race family, who was abandoned by his father and mother, could become, he chose to go the other direction and further divide our country. Anytime there was a cop shooting involving a black person, he immediately rushed to judgement and condemned the LEO before letting the facts be presented. What a poor example he set for people of all color. It is truly a shame that 8 years after electing our first black POTUS, race relations have gotten worse, much of it due to Obama himself. He's another example of people who wish to keep Americans divided in order to further their political and personal agendas.
 
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So why are you so vengeful and petty towards Donald Trump, Fox News and Rupert Murdoch?

vengeful? I have no desire to do anything to them. I simply have opinions about them just like everyone else. We are allowed to have those last time I checked. I would never, ever do anything to harm them or wish that on them. Just because you don't agree with someone or even like the things they do, does not mean you cannot simply have an opinion about it and if you are face to face with them discuss the issue or whatever. You cannot force anyone to do anything against their will. I am only responsible for MY actions and cannot control theirs but I do not have to like it or be in favor of it or anything else.
 
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