You should've posted something like "Hey guys...this is Luke Maye just popping in to say have a nice day"
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It will be interesting to see what happens when UL appeals. Are they coming down hard now to appear tough, but plan to lighten the punishment on appeal? It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. As far as what it means for us, I don't think what the NCAA does matters that much because it's not the end game. The thing that will really matter is what happens in court.
Very strong likelihood this ends up in court( OUR CASE) and I really like our CASE and our chances there
Ours is a completely legal (definitely in the eyes of the law, and almost assuredly will be proven to be so as far as the NCAA is concerned) offering of non-rigorous classes.
Louisvilles situation is a direct encouragement and even sponsoring of an activity that is against the law.
That said, I don't think Louisville deserved as harsh a penalty as they're getting because similar to our situation - tons of schools do something similar.
I wanted to post a separate thread on this but Bilas was JUST on Mike and Mike re L Ville .... LONG discussion of the UL situation
At the END of it he turns to comparing Lville and Us. BIG BIG differences between the two cases he says. Are you paying attention all you douche bags from dook Ky and everywhere else??
Bilas says the Lville case is an extra benefit case ours is NOT..... as we have said a million times. it is an academic issue that athletes were involved in
Bilas went on... anyone who is waiting for the NCAA to pound Carolina and expecting it to stick is gonna be sadly disappointed. HE, like me and many others on this board and elsewhere, actually understand the FACTS of this case,
Bilas strongly believes that the NCAA may in fact TRY and hit us with big penalties.... that is what I believe will happen... BUT He like me strongly believe this will all end up in Federal court and Carolina is gonna WIN that one
This thing is an total embarrassment to me and my alma mater The massive failure of the muckety mucks in the South building and the academic pooh bahs that F ed up royally for many years, does not mean that the athletic depot was running this train They were not and while all the haters and all the hit men that the NCAA wants to hire ( Stinkey or whatever his name is) want that to be the case the FACTS speak otherwise.
At the END of it he turns to comparing Lville and Us. BIG BIG differences between the two cases he says. Are you paying attention all you douche bags from dook Ky and everywhere else??
Bilas says the Lville case is an extra benefit case ours is NOT..... as we have said a million times. it is an academic issue that athletes were involved in
Bilas went on... anyone who is waiting for the NCAA to pound Carolina and expecting it to stick is gonna be sadly disappointed. HE, like me and many others on this board and elsewhere, actually understand the FACTS of this case,
Bilas strongly believes that the NCAA may in fact TRY and hit us with big penalties.... that is what I believe will happen... BUT He like me strongly believe this will all end up in Federal court and Carolina is gonna WIN that one
This thing is an total embarrassment to me and my alma mater The massive failure of the muckety mucks in the South building and the academic pooh bahs that F ed up royally for many years, does not mean that the athletic depot was running this train They were not and while all the haters and all the hit men that the NCAA wants to hire ( Stinkey or whatever his name is) want that to be the case the FACTS speak otherwise.
Courses that are layup A's (which every school has) vs. Hookers hired to lure recruits to school.
If you think the latter is the same as the former then I think this convo is over.
Is Jay Bilas now viewed as a traitor by Duke fans? Or does his position have a positive impact on their view of UNC's NCAA problems?
Anyone know?
Anyone know?
you're right it's over b/c you just missed the legible print "it's just different."
hookers hired to lure recruits is also not just happening at louisville...and if you think that, then you shouldn't have even replied.
right, different...just like joe pa and baylor.
i completely understand that.
They absolutely got hammered:
4 years of probation
vacate wins from 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
this include a 2012 final 4 banner, and 2013 national championship banner
loss of 4 scholarships over 4 years
return all money made for 4 tournaments
pitino 5 ACC game suspension
1 year post season ban (already served)
Louisvilles acts were much much worse than UNC's. Louisville was paying prostitutes to sleep with minors. Can you imagine if the genders were reversed and male prostitutes were paid to sleep with 15 and 16 year old girls? Its the same thing. They even paid for recruits and their dads to sleep with mother daughter prostitutes. These are sex crimes. Much worse than some fake classes or whatever happened at UNC.
http://www.captiongenerator.com/562492/Hitler-Reacts-to-Louisville-NCAA-Punishment
you guys see this Louisville pun
you guys see this Louisville pun
And just like us, they were the ones that got their hands caught in the cookie jar.
That was the worst Downfall meme I have ever seen. How hard is it to make a good one? It practically writes itself.
Please! There is no reasonable comparison between the scope and severity of the two situations. It’s one thing to break the NCAA’s unfair and sanctimonious extra-benefit rules. It’s a whole different thing to take advantage of and cheat decades of student athletes out of the only thing they are supposedly getting – a quality education - for making the schools millions upon millions of dollars.
Our situation is just an extra-benefit case (a salacious one, no doubt – but still just an extra-benefit case). The UNC scandal involves massive fraud that goes to the very core and shakes the integrity of the entire college athletic system. What UNC’s did has been repeatedly described by independent observers as the worst academic fraud scandal in the history of college athletics. So, if there is any justice – and I think there will be - what UL got will look like a love tap compared to what is coming for UNC.
ya know it is laughable when people come on boards like this,,and make utter and complete fools of themselves.
Next time try and actually KNOW what you are talking about...instead of relying on hack journalists and media types who just do not bother with the facts of our case
The NCAA may very well hammer us...but pal; we are gonna sue their asses and like Bilas says we will WIN that case.
Next time try and actually KNOW what you are talking about...instead of relying on hack journalists and media types who just do not bother with the facts of our case
The NCAA may very well hammer us...but pal; we are gonna sue their asses and like Bilas says we will WIN that case.
ULarder....Louisvilles were borderline sex crimes. McGhee provided prostitutes to minors. Imagine if the genders were reversed and it were adult male prostitutes given to female minors.
With UNC, the part I dont understand is the NCAA says because it happened after they were already students they cant do much about it? So they can go after Derrick Rose and Memphis for having help with his ACT while in high school, but cant go after UNC becauae they were already IN college?? I dont get it. Hell they told Memphis Rose was cleared to play, then declared him ineligible AFTER the season
With UNC, the part I dont understand is the NCAA says because it happened after they were already students they cant do much about it? So they can go after Derrick Rose and Memphis for having help with his ACT while in high school, but cant go after UNC becauae they were already IN college?? I dont get it. Hell they told Memphis Rose was cleared to play, then declared him ineligible AFTER the season
Is this guy REALLY saying the promotion and solicitation of prostitution, an ACTUAL crime, is less heinous than a university having easy classes that the student body including some athletes took advantage of?? Jeezus. You sound about as delusional as some of those Kentucky fans who's only solace in life is the hope and prayer that UNC get's hammered. Pathetic.
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Welcome to dealing with Louisville fans. As a Kentucky fan I deal with them all the time. They are by far the most delusional fan base in the country. They consider themselves on the 'island' of Louisville and it starts with their president-A.D.- and head coach. They cheat, do whatever they want, and have most of the Louisville media in their pockets. What Louisville just got busted for is easily one of the worst NCAA violations ever, its a sex crime involving minors. Yet their only response is 'what about North Carolina'?
What Lville did was a direct violation of offering recruits extra incentives to visit and commit. It was 100% athletic related and comes directly within the cross hairs of NCAA enforcement.
What occurred with us is an academic issue, clearly not exclusive to the athletic department and NCAA enforcement is clearly not able to punish for academic issues per their by laws.
The 2 things are very different with one (Lville) being well within the NCAAs scope and the other (ours) not.
Question for you, as a Ky fan or just as a fan of the college game. Which would you consider to be worse:
1) A school that created a class for GPA credit that never met, was 100% exclusive to athletes (meaning non-athletes are allowed to take the class), no tests ever taken and no papers ever required. These classes DO NOT have a professor or teacher that does not report directly to the athletic department.
2) A school that has classes that do not meet, that does require a paper to be written but the quality of that paper is not required to be strong, meaning pretty much everyone gets an A for turning in a paper. The class is restricted to athletes only but the papers are graded by those that do not report to the athletic department.
3) Same as #2 but the classes are not restricted to athletes, any student can take them.
The point I wanted to make, is that UNC fans might want to think before they throw stones at UL. You guys talking about our situation is more ironic than the worst example of the kettle calling the pot black. And mixing apples and oranges to deflect from the UNC scandal doesn’t help you. Yes, prostitution is a crime; as is contributing to the delinquency of a minor. So, prosecute it in the criminal courts.
In the context of the NCAA rules, however, the UL matter is just an extra-benefit case. The same – for NCAA purposes - as paying for a meal. The UNC scandal involves academic fraud on an unparalleled scale; and even worse, UNC committed theft against its student-athletes. For the multi-millions earned on the backs of those players, your institution promised to provide a first-class education. Further, in fairness, UNC owed it to those players to go above-and-beyond in providing that education. If that meant starting on a 1st grade level and working them up, so be it. But the players deserved an honest effort to educate them. They didn’t get that. What they got was whatever was easiest and most beneficial for the master (UNC). So, your college stole from the players – pure and simple. You know it and so does everybody else that follows college sports. We might have sexed our guys up, but nobody has accused UL of not giving what we promised the athletes and their parents – an honest attempt to provide an education.
Oh, and the one acting akin to most UK fans is you, not me. Both of you are flooded with the type of fans that will try to rationalize any behavior to protect the most important thing in the world to them – “their” college basketball team. Not the pride, honor and prestige of a state’s institution of higher learning, mind you – you don’t care about that – but a damn college basketball program. Pathetic.
Additionally, no one stole anything from anyone. Everyone enrolled in those classes on their own accord. If they had desired this "first-class education", the opportunity to receive such was well within their grasp. All they had to do was sign up for classes that challenged them more, which were plentiful. They didn't want that, they wanted an easier course (as I'm sure many of us non-athletes have done as well). Who are you to say what level of rigor a student-athlete should strive for?
Funny how all of those athletes that you claim were "robbed" of an education, don't seem to be crying foul at the institution. Also UNC still stands in top rankings of college institutions WORLDWIDE despite all of this nonsense. I don't think I saw UL anywhere on that list. But, hey keep pointing fingers at us, and saying "But but but UNC....!" ,if it makes your little hearts feel better.
The above is the net result of the lies INTENTIONAL misinformation, BS, and garbage that Kone, Espn and the entire media have spewed out about our situation for five years. Dimwits like this guy who have read all this garbage have swallowed it whole.
THAT entire narrative is what has driven the NCAA to come BACK at Carolina with hit man Stinkey at the helm
The pressure they feel from the media, the "fans" like this twit from Lville and many others has been intense. They feel the need to GET Carolina, even if it means violating their own rules to do it.
That is why I am expecting the worst and also why the NCAA's 'case" such as it is will collapse in court.
THAT entire narrative is what has driven the NCAA to come BACK at Carolina with hit man Stinkey at the helm
The pressure they feel from the media, the "fans" like this twit from Lville and many others has been intense. They feel the need to GET Carolina, even if it means violating their own rules to do it.
That is why I am expecting the worst and also why the NCAA's 'case" such as it is will collapse in court.
The cases are different as 1 is just a couple of easy classes offered to the entire student body and another is soliciting prostitutes for the athletic team.
The NCAA per its bylaws can only go after extra benefits offered to just thr athletics, not the entire school. Almost every college has easy courses.
The NCAA per its bylaws can only go after extra benefits offered to just thr athletics, not the entire school. Almost every college has easy courses.
This logic doesn't make sense. You know players choose their own classes right? How can UNC be stealing from them if the players chose to sign up for these classes? And it's not like Donovan Mitchell or Brian Bowen are taking Computational Physics at Louisville. They're most likely focusing on whatever classes ensure they will have no trouble with eligibility. So what's the real difference here? Perhaps that the courses at UNC were a bit easier?
Don't act like this is some crime against humanity. Most schools have super easy classes, otherwise you'd see top players being ineligible from time to time. How often does that happen? I love how people make it out like we had some huge advantage, yet you don't see any Duke or Kentucky players becoming ineligible. It can't be that different over there!
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