Sure our biggest need is down low but not sure how that would hurt if it were to work out. Basically, it's a back up to not getting Knox and he would slide in to some of those minutes. It would provide Roy with more versatility in lineups.
UNC is aiming for Cameron Johnson
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Cameron Johnson scored 24 points against the Tar Heels at the Smith Center earlier this year.
Staff is in contact after Pitt cleared him to talk With ACC Schools. Main remaining barrier is Pitt says he must sit out 1 season if he goes to an ACC school. That is a no-go for him. Says Roy is trying to work with Pitt to overcome that stipulation.
He averaged 11.9 points, 4.5 rebounds and 2.3 assists. His 41.5 percent shooting on three-point put him at fifth in the ACC.
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Staff is in contact after Pitt cleared him to talk With ACC Schools. Main remaining barrier is Pitt says he must sit out 1 season if he goes to an ACC school. That is a no-go for him. Says Roy is trying to work with Pitt to overcome that stipulation.
He averaged 11.9 points, 4.5 rebounds and 2.3 assists. His 41.5 percent shooting on three-point put him at fifth in the ACC.
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Do you think Pitt will release him to play in the ACC without him sitting out ?
I have no idea. I do think Roy wouldn't spend the time if he didn't at least think there was a chance. Just my opinion, no other input or sources on things.
Yep . . 2 years eligibility makes this kid that much more appealing IMO.
It's an interesting possibility. More articles coming out today with extensive quotes from Cam (competitor sites so I won't link), so it looks like we may be his preferred choice. Roy is apparently working with him on getting his sit-out clause waived (right now Pitt is making him sit out a year for any transfer to an ACC school), so there appears to be high interest from both sides. He won't come here without the waiver, but if he gets it I think he would help us, albeit at a fairly deep position.
He's not really a 4, and he's even a stretch to be called a stretch-4 (pun intended). He played the 2 at Pitt. He's JJ's size and can shoot like him, but he doesn't have the driving/floater game and doesn't play defense like JJ (okay I don't really know anything about his D, but I'm assuming based on the fact Pitt's D was ungodly awful last year and he was one of their starters). So maybe he and Theo both play the 3 and the 4.
It can't really be a bad thing to get another good wing who can contribute right away for 2 years, as otherwise the scholly will likely go completely unused (at least this year). The biggest risk I see is that it does create a bit of a logjam that would have to harm others' playing time How are B-Rob, Seventh, Felton, and Kenny all getting enough minutes with Cam, Berry, and Pinson taking 20-30 minutes a game? But if we take him, Roy obviously thinks he can juggle it, because cohesion is always top of mind. The other "risk" (I wouldn't call it much of one) is that with Black/White coming in next year there is only one scholarship spot coming open for 2018 (assuming Tony is gone by then at the latest) unless someone else leaves. Meaning we're possibly passing on a 2018 recruit we're interested in to take Cam. Is he worth it? I don't have a great answer, but I'd think so.
He's not really a 4, and he's even a stretch to be called a stretch-4 (pun intended). He played the 2 at Pitt. He's JJ's size and can shoot like him, but he doesn't have the driving/floater game and doesn't play defense like JJ (okay I don't really know anything about his D, but I'm assuming based on the fact Pitt's D was ungodly awful last year and he was one of their starters). So maybe he and Theo both play the 3 and the 4.
It can't really be a bad thing to get another good wing who can contribute right away for 2 years, as otherwise the scholly will likely go completely unused (at least this year). The biggest risk I see is that it does create a bit of a logjam that would have to harm others' playing time How are B-Rob, Seventh, Felton, and Kenny all getting enough minutes with Cam, Berry, and Pinson taking 20-30 minutes a game? But if we take him, Roy obviously thinks he can juggle it, because cohesion is always top of mind. The other "risk" (I wouldn't call it much of one) is that with Black/White coming in next year there is only one scholarship spot coming open for 2018 (assuming Tony is gone by then at the latest) unless someone else leaves. Meaning we're possibly passing on a 2018 recruit we're interested in to take Cam. Is he worth it? I don't have a great answer, but I'd think so.
"Preferred walk-on" just means that you can be a walk-on without having to try out for the team (any UNC student could attend a try out, if they made the team they would be a "non-preferred walk-on"). In other words Roy recruited him to come be a walk-on. It comes with no guarantee of a scholarship at any time in Rush's case.
Compare this to Luke Maye. Maye was recruited as a guaranteed scholarship player, however at the time of signing Roy was concerned that he may not fit onto the scholarship roster (D1 basketball teams can have a maximum of 13 scholarship players). So Roy asked that, if the spot was needed for someone else, Maye forego his scholarship as a freshman and play without one, and then he was guaranteed to have a scholarship for his sophomore year. Roy did this in case we landed a 5* player. We didn't so Roy gave Maye the scholarship as a freshman. This tactic is similar to how Alabama football will ask a player to "gray-shirt" as a freshman, as they have too many talented scholarship players so there isn't enough room on the scholarship recruit on the roster their freshman season.
The treatment between the two is very different, but many people seem to think they're essentially the same. Roy determined he did not want to offer Shea Rush a scholarship spot at UNC. He could be given one if there is an extra spot, but that is generally given to senior walk-on players. Kanler Coker was given a scholarship last year for his senior year at UNC as a gesture of gratitude for his hard work with the team over the years.
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Anyone else have knowledge on this because I am relatively sure a preferred walkon is a walkon that gets a scholarship if one becomes available and that Luke Maye was recruited as a preferred Walkon and that a scholarship opened up for him so he got one. And, Roy even says he regretted not offerring him a scholarship from the start.
Yes, I already explained Luke's situation. He came on as a "preferred walk-on", which just means he was guaranteed a spot on the team but not a scholarship. However, as I wrote the agreement was very different than most preferred walk-ons for him. Many "preferred walk-ons" never get a scholarship their entire career. Preferred walk-on is a walk-on who was recruited to play for the team by the coach, it's a vague term that encompasses the majority of walk-ons at the D-1 level. It has absolutely zero scholarship guarantees most of the time.
EDIT: Here is more on Luke's signing. Again, he was VERY different than your typical "preferred walk-on". Link: http://www.fayobserver.com/93ecf718-f5a7-11e4-a2ea-0360b57af54c.html
Here's more on "recruited walk-ons" or "preferred walk-ons": http://diycollegerankings.com/what-is-a-walk-on-player-in-college-sports/7081/
I have several friends that were "preferred walk-ons" for D-1 teams. A couple got scholarships their senior year. A couple were essentially pushed off the team over time (not treated very well, essentially a practice dummy for the scholarship players to scrimmage against).
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Right, which is why I'm somewhat ambivalent about him (that and his inconsistency). He comes in to a position of relative strength and limits our 'ship options for 2018.
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Show me where anyone ensured that we'd be a final 4 team? Final Four caliber team, absolutely, but I don't think any rational fan guarantees final 4's in May. Unless you're 2016 Duke fans
A few of us have just noticed that the closer Tony gets to staying in the draft suddenly some fans have all of these negatives to say about his game. The same ones that were praising him all season.
If he goes, he goes. Doesn't make him any less of a player or any less valuable to our 2017 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM. Still feels great to say.
Exactly. It's kind of sad. Now Tony "not that good" etc. However, some was crying for him to get more minutes over Luke this past season. If a UNC player don't do things the fan way, he never was good.
I'll take a 41% 3-PT shooter any day, as long as his name isn't Timothy Leary.
I have two nephews who are preferred walkon's at major D1 programs so I can shed some light.
They get literally EVERYTHING the team gets, but they have to pay for classes and room and board. They get all the team clothes, shoes, travel with the team, tutors, study halls, etc. etc.
Again, depending on the school/coach/situation, it does not mean you automatically get a scholly if one opens up. Any decent coach will do that for a player, but it is not guaranteed.
If you aren't "preferred" then you have some limitations on the stuff I mentioned above (depending on the school).
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but TOS has some info regarding his recruitment and our interest:
Now Coach Williams is trying to see if we can get Pitt to release the one-year sit-out on my release,” Johnson explained. “The most important thing now is getting it so I can play right away. It doesn't make any sense to just lose a year of eligibility, because I'm already on the clock on my five (years of eligibility to play four seasons). The main focus is just to get that down.
Sounds like that release is the main key for us. If he can't get that, I imagine our chances are slim.
Now Coach Williams is trying to see if we can get Pitt to release the one-year sit-out on my release,” Johnson explained. “The most important thing now is getting it so I can play right away. It doesn't make any sense to just lose a year of eligibility, because I'm already on the clock on my five (years of eligibility to play four seasons). The main focus is just to get that down.
Sounds like that release is the main key for us. If he can't get that, I imagine our chances are slim.
Good news is that Pitt coach stallings and Roy are friends so if anybody can agree on something it's Roy and stallings. Stallings son Jacob was a tarheel baseball player.
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Hopefully they will lift the restriction. It really doesn't benefit them in any material way to block him.
I thought he was 6'8 forward? Thats a big to me. But whatever.
Stallings owes roy a favor . . and I believe this kid really wants UNC.
I think you're right...I wonder how much pull in the decision Stallings has, or is it all on the AD or whomever else handles that?
Perfect replacement for JJ. Call him what you want. 6'8" with range and handles=nightmare for opposing teams.
Highly doubtful imo. It benefits them to not play against him. Stallings is alrdy very much under the microscope for buddy connections in regards to his hiring. Letting his top remaining player transfer to a league opponent is pretty silly on paper.
I doubt the Pitt AD would go against Stallings' wishes.
If, the young man wants to be a Tar Heel, then let him be one . . he has met his obligation to Pitt U., he wasn't even a recruit of Stallings.
Well, it's not as if it's a Duke player switching to UNC. Realistically, it's very unlikely we will be competing for the top of the ACC with Pitt. Plus we only play them once each of the next two years, so it will have minimal direct impact on the court. I'd look at it like if a UNC football player had worked extra hard to graduate in 3 years and had already decided he wants to transfer somewhere else. If he was deciding between FSU and Oklahoma, would it really benefit us to block his transfer to FSU? I don't think so, and I also think it's a bit disrespectful and petty. Just maintaining the relationship and showing your program as supportive of former players would probably make it worth it to let him go.
Exactly. It's in the best interest of the player who has just earned a degree from your school and fulfilled his commitment, plus it costs the school essentially nothing. These things have a way of not working out in the player's best interests though... (although Brooks' case did!)
Brooks case was different though. There seemed to be foul play from Dad. Uni didn't want any part of that once word got out.
amazing to watch those in power of "higher education"...Pitt becoming ACC member surely "aint" hurting from the income sharing...they stand to bank more funds if Johnson attends UNC and helps advance in the post season..quietly, behind the scenes Stallings can be encouraged to "win"
And he would have 2 years eligibility remaining. Holy moly he would be a good get for us this late in the game.
Poster from another site and the other posters say he has an inside connection.
I think this one is ovah now . . restrictions are being waived, the kid wants us & Roy would be more than happy to have him.
Tar Heel folks should be very pleased iffin' this comes to fruition.
Tar Heel folks should be very pleased iffin' this comes to fruition.
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