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UNC is aiming for Cameron Johnson

If I was that young man and I wanted to go to UNC.....if Pitt restricted me I would simply line up a good lawyer! The young man fulfilled his contract and obligation to Pitt....he played, he represented the school very well and he graduated! This should be a moot point!
 
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Cam was going to Arizona if no release for UNC. However. Alkins just announced he is coming back which probably eliminates Arizona. He may very well end up at UK to sit the bench unless he is willing to go to an Oregon or UCLA.
 
gary-7 said:
Why would you think any of that will change anything?
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Because it has in the past, repeatedly. And it literally just happened with Brooks.

School blocks...negative publicity...school folds and allows it. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
As I understand it, he's already had a redshirt year. Which is why he has 2 years of eligibility left. So if he sits out another year, he loses that year and only has 1 year of eligibility left. Is that correct?

Similarly, why would he give up most of next year sitting on the bench for a team like UK or AZ.

Oregon lost so much talent that he could doubtless start there. And I'm sure there are other decent schools where he could start or play starter minutes.

Sounds like he wants to come to UNC.
 
So . . . it seems like it isn't the NCAA rules that let Pitt do this. From the NCAA perspective, he's done his time there and the only "catch" is that he has to pick a grad program that Pitt doesn't offer. North Carolina Folk Songs During the Depression, perhaps.

I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't the ACC that's the problem. If there isn't an NCAA rule that lets Pitt do this, there must be an ACC rule. Sure it's like blackballing or acting in restraint of trade, but apparently those antitrust sorts of laws don't apply in the sports world.

Anybody know about that? Should we be bitching about the ACC (and Pitt, of course), or the NCAA?
 
I think the real question is are we actually going to fight this or simply concede?
 
I think once the negative publicity get's too heavy to bare.. Pitt will fold. They don't want any negative publicity to affect there recruiting. The question is how long will Cam's people push and how long will Roy wait for the outcome. I believe it's worth the wait for Roy.
 
I agree that once u graduate that any transfer rules shouldnt apply

HOWEVER

I cant blame a school for sticking to their policy and restricitng a quality player from transferring eligibility to a conference rival coming off a national championship without sitting a year. Its not like this policy was a secret and unprecedented. I'm sure none of us would lose any sleep over restricting a transfer in a similar situation from going to va tech or clemson esp if they were coming off title seasons.
 
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dadika13 said:
Because it has in the past, repeatedly. And it literally just happened with Brooks.

School blocks...negative publicity...school folds and allows it. Wash, rinse, repeat.
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Perhaps. But honestly, it's not like Pitt's AD is perpetrating some moral outrage. Fact is he's got a very defensible position. Intraconference transfer restrictions are as old as the sun, and there's a good reason for them... and the kid has no family/personal mitigating factors that would justify an exception to tug at heart-strings or cause complications. In other words, it's the opposite of the Garrison Brooks situation where the kid was unduly pressured to sign there (not to mention his mom had MSU over a barrel over the scholly papers).

Cam went to Pitt of his own volition and did well there, and there are plenty of fine non-conference programs where he can finish his career. Now who knows?... maybe Stallings will ask the AD to relent out of respect for Roy, but in the long run how does providing UNC with yet another good player make sense for Pitt's position in the ACC?

Maybe it will happen but I won't blame Pitt one bit if it doesn't.
 
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To me it boils down to the fact that he has already graduated! How can they legally stop him from doing whatever the hell he wants to do?
 
gary-7 said:
Perhaps. But honestly, it's not like Pitt's AD is perpetrating some moral outrage. Fact is he's got a very defensible position. Intraconference transfer restrictions are as old as the sun, and there's a good reason for them... and the kid has no family/personal mitigating factors that would justify an exception to tug at heart-strings or cause complications. In other words, it's the opposite of the Garrison Brooks situation where the kid was unduly pressured to sign there (not to mention his mom had MSU over a barrel over the scholly papers).

Cam went to Pitt of his own volition and did well there, and there are plenty of fine non-conference programs where he can finish his career. Now who knows?... maybe Stallings will ask the AD to relent out of respect for Roy, but in the long run how does providing UNC with yet another good player make sense for Pitt's position in the ACC?

Maybe it will happen but I won't blame Pitt one bit if it doesn't.
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I get and agree with all of this.

My argument is that no matter right or wrong, negative pub on this has proven to be the factor in these types of decisions with schools.
 
GACMAN said:
To me it boils down to the fact that he has already graduated! How can they legally stop him from doing whatever the hell he wants to do?
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They're not stopping him from leaving or playing --- in fact the grad transfer rule is a recent change that gives players more freedom to play elsewhere on scholly without sitting out. They have every right to put some restrictions on it.
 
dadika13 said:
I get and agree with all of this.

My argument is that no matter right or wrong, negative pub on this has proven to be the factor in these types of decisions with schools.
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True. Although, in the grand scheme of things I almost hope they don't, because --- and this may not be a popular opinion right now --- I agree with the rule.
 
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heelmanwilm said:
I agree that once u graduate that any transfer rules shouldnt apply

HOWEVER

I cant blame a school for sticking to their policy and restricitng a quality player from transferring eligibility to a conference rival coming off a national championship without sitting a year. Its not like this policy was a secret and unprecedented. I'm sure none of us would lose any sleep over restricting a transfer in a similar situation from going to va tech or clemson esp if they were coming off title seasons.
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Except you are wrong. UNC just allowed TJ Thorpe to transfer to UVa, where he immediately started. While it was annoying he went to a rival, we did the right thing by letting him go. Maybe you should know these things before saying "gosh durn it, we would do it to, everyone does!".
 
gary-7 said:
Perhaps. But honestly, it's not like Pitt's AD is perpetrating some moral outrage. Fact is he's got a very defensible position. Intraconference transfer restrictions are as old as the sun, and there's a good reason for them... and the kid has no family/personal mitigating factors that would justify an exception to tug at heart-strings or cause complications. In other words, it's the opposite of the Garrison Brooks situation where the kid was unduly pressured to sign there (not to mention his mom had MSU over a barrel over the scholly papers).

Cam went to Pitt of his own volition and did well there, and there are plenty of fine non-conference programs where he can finish his career. Now who knows?... maybe Stallings will ask the AD to relent out of respect for Roy, but in the long run how does providing UNC with yet another good player make sense for Pitt's position in the ACC?

Maybe it will happen but I won't blame Pitt one bit if it doesn't.
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Yeah, you have zero reasoning behind your decision to deny a GRADUATE transfer. Especially seeing as UNC has released a grad transfer to a rival very recently.
 
gary-7 said:
True. Although, in the grand scheme of things I almost hope they don't, because --- and this may not be a popular opinion right now --- I agree with the rule.
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Yeah, then you are just wrong. A school should have ZERO say over where a GRADUATE transfers. Now, a frosh pissed over playing time, that I can see... but not a player who stayed and graduated.
 
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Except you are wrong. UNC just allowed TJ Thorpe to transfer to UVa, where he immediately started. While it was annoying he went to a rival, we did the right thing by letting him go. Maybe you should know these things before saying "gosh durn it, we would do it to, everyone does!".
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Was he a big? I dont remember him playing for us or uva.

But anyway you misrepresent what i said. I never said we would never restrict a transfer, i said we as fans wouldnt gaf if we restricted a transfer. More specefically a starter avg double figures going to the defending national champ in the same conf. Anyone says they wouldn't care is fos. We would care. We wouldnt want them to get any special exemption if in fact we have a similar policy. Graduate or not. If pinson wanted to play for va tech next year this board would be a dumpster fire. Hell just look at what happens when a recruit shuns us.
 
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UNC_Blue said:
Yeah, then you are just wrong. A school should have ZERO say over where a GRADUATE transfers. Now, a frosh pissed over playing time, that I can see... but not a player who stayed and graduated.
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ohhh k... you're welcome to your opinion but I am not "just wrong". In fact for the vast majority of NCAA history there was no grad transfer rule at all that now gives graduates some freedom to move without sitting a year. An intraconference restriction is perfectly reasonable.
 
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The fact that you all are forgetting is that Putt basically has lived under a blanket of bad press for 7-8 years now.

What's a little bit more?
 
I haven't read the NCAA rule book so I don't know all the ins and outs to this. But count me as one that thinks it's absurd that a school can restrict where a graduated player can go use the rest of his eligibility. This question might have been answered somewhere in this thread but could he play for us without scholarship? I mean, what if he just left Pitt, enrolled at UNC and "walked on". I'm sure he and his family want the scholarship but I'm just wondering if that can be done.

Honestly, if I'm him and the school did this to me, I'd make it my mission to bring some pain onto them. I'd be as public as I could be about this situation and potentially exposing them for anything else that would lead to negative PR.

Also, why does he have 2 years of eligibility left and he's been in school 3 years? Did he redshirt?
 
I agree that as a matter of principle a graduate should be released without restrictions. I have no issues with restrictions on normal transfers. It just seems like the wrong thing to do when a kid has graduated from your university. However, they are certainly allowed to do it. I think it only works against a program to do it though.
 
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Pretty ridiculous them trying to block him from going here. If you're arguing a regular transfer ok I can maybe see it but the kid graduated, on top of that he wasn't even recruited by stallings.
 
gunslingerdick said:
I haven't read the NCAA rule book so I don't know all the ins and outs to this. But count me as one that thinks it's absurd that a school can restrict where a graduated player can go use the rest of his eligibility. This question might have been answered somewhere in this thread but could he play for us without scholarship? I mean, what if he just left Pitt, enrolled at UNC and "walked on". I'm sure he and his family want the scholarship but I'm just wondering if that can be done.

Honestly, if I'm him and the school did this to me, I'd make it my mission to bring some pain onto them. I'd be as public as I could be about this situation and potentially exposing them for anything else that would lead to negative PR.

Also, why does he have 2 years of eligibility left and he's been in school 3 years? Did he redshirt?
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Yes, medical redshirt first season iirc
 
dadika13 said:
It's not for us to fight.

It's Cam's fight, then he chooses a school.
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Then I imagine we're out of contention and he goes with one of the other 6 schools on his list. Seems easier than trying to fight this IMO.

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So now Johnson waits. He said that Williams, the UNC coach, is working on his behalf and trying to convince Pitt to give Johnson his full release. Williams and Stallings, the Pitt coach, are close friends, and have been since Stallings served as an assistant coach early in Williams’ tenure at Kansas.

“Right now, I’m letting coach Williams see what he can do from his end, from the North Carolina end,” Johnson said.

In the meantime, Johnson is back home, just outside of Pittsburgh. He spends his days working out and waiting. He’s still hoping for his desired outcome – that he’ll be granted his full release – and he’s doing the only thing he can these days, he said, and “just kind of letting it play out.”

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gary-7 said:
They're not stopping him from leaving or playing --- in fact the grad transfer rule is a recent change that gives players more freedom to play elsewhere on scholly without sitting out. They have every right to put some restrictions on it.
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Exactly why do they have every right to put restrictions on a kid that has fulfilled his obligation to the University? He was on scholarship and for this he performed his duties of playing basketball and going to class. He did this until he graduated...WHY does Pitt still have the RIGHT to put restrictions on him? He was not given a 4 year scholarship, they are renewed year to year.
 
RoseHeel said:
Then I imagine we're out of contention and he goes with one of the other 6 schools on his list. Seems easier than trying to fight this IMO.

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So now Johnson waits. He said that Williams, the UNC coach, is working on his behalf and trying to convince Pitt to give Johnson his full release. Williams and Stallings, the Pitt coach, are close friends, and have been since Stallings served as an assistant coach early in Williams’ tenure at Kansas.

“Right now, I’m letting coach Williams see what he can do from his end, from the North Carolina end,” Johnson said.

In the meantime, Johnson is back home, just outside of Pittsburgh. He spends his days working out and waiting. He’s still hoping for his desired outcome – that he’ll be granted his full release – and he’s doing the only thing he can these days, he said, and “just kind of letting it play out.”

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Yep. I bet you Roy is talking with his good bud Stallings.
 
gunslingerdick said:
I haven't read the NCAA rule book so I don't know all the ins and outs to this. But count me as one that thinks it's absurd that a school can restrict where a graduated player can go use the rest of his eligibility. This question might have been answered somewhere in this thread but could he play for us without scholarship? I mean, what if he just left Pitt, enrolled at UNC and "walked on". I'm sure he and his family want the scholarship but I'm just wondering if that can be done.

Honestly, if I'm him and the school did this to me, I'd make it my mission to bring some pain onto them. I'd be as public as I could be about this situation and potentially exposing them for anything else that would lead to negative PR.

Also, why does he have 2 years of eligibility left and he's been in school 3 years? Did he redshirt?
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I read he can come here and be under scholarship immediately but cant play immediately.
 
GACMAN said:
Exactly why do they have every right to put restrictions on a kid that has fulfilled his obligation to the University? He was on scholarship and for this he performed his duties of playing basketball and going to class. He did this until he graduated...WHY does Pitt still have the RIGHT to put restrictions on him? He was not given a 4 year scholarship, they are renewed year to year.
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As long as the school is willing to renew your scholarship you are under the transfer rules. Unless you want ot go JUCO or D2, you're gonna have to sit out a year unless you are eligible to benefit from the Grad transfer rule. The intraconference restriction is perfectly understandable. What if Kenny Williams graduates early? Would you want him jumping to UVA? I wouldn't.
 
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Yep. I bet you Roy is talking with his good bud Stallings.
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Yeah, and it's a good sign that:
  • Roy is still working trying to work things out, possibly hashing it out with Stallings. Was worried that we'd pack it up.
  • Johnson is still waiting. Sounds like UNC is his destination if that pesky block does get lifted
Guess we'll stay tuned.

Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
The ACC tournament...
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Ah that makes sense. I suppose that should've been obvious with the multiple "ACC" logos plastered everywhere.
 
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