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Very quick stuff (Wake game)...

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...and I had a page full of notes, but in the final analysis, the points all came down to stuff I've previously covered.

So... stepping away from any one game in particular, a nearly pure dichotomy has shown itself thru this point of the season, i.e., when the team plays with the right apporoach we are hard to handle --- capable of beating anybody out there. But when that gets abandoned, as we've seen, we are capable of losing to anybody this side of a D2 team --- and getting embarrased when we roll out half-assery on the road vs a good team. Witnesseth...

So, why are we not used to enduring such dramatic dichotomies at UNC? The answer (being fully aware that it will fly past some folks) comes down to our default. Dean Smith invented this thing we know as Carolina basketball, and while players and teams will have bad nights, that particular default built a high basement for those off-nights (and a soaring ceiling on the good ones). There's a reason Dean went so many consecutive seasons not finishing lower than second in the ACC, personnel and talent fluctuations notwithstanding.

It's also the default that made Roy immediately successful at KU and then back home here. Sure, Roy had his tactical preferences and quirks, but the foundation was built on instilling Dean's system and culture of how fundamental things were taught and done on and off the court. Truth be known though, after the last Natty, even Roy started to let some things gradually stray from the default (and no, I'm not gonna go into much detail, lest certain heads explode), whether from expedience or his own ol' seat-of-the-pants instincts --- and to his credit, he finally realized it. The most obvious manifestation was in how players were rewarded (or not) for doing things the right way (or not).

Anyway, bottom line is that there are both system and cultural issues that have to be repaired. Task 1, 2 & 3 for Hubert and staff is to rebuild our default --- and there have been some positives there, but there's a long way to go. Thus, I would gently suggest to the staff that they make a full commitment to making these guys live and breath Carolina basketball, put the "NBA stuff" aside (save for the odd set play), and go all-in on aggressive, multiple-defense, fast/secondary break basketball, with accountability for doing things the right way. Hubert's success or lack thereof will come down to his success at restoring the Carolina default.
 
Gary, why does this team not pitch ahead or seem to make an effort to push the ball fast to get out on the break? Is it coaching philosophy? Personnel? Or laziness?
Now granted I can see see teams are making a lot of shots so there are fewer opportunities
 
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I would have been sure Roy had "Teaching the Carolina way" day during those grooming the next head coach seasons!

How do you hand pick a coach to groom and 18 games in and he hasn't gotten the fundamental concept of the head coach down yet when it comes to the Carolina way?
 
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Gary, why does this team not pitch ahead or seem to make an effort to push the ball fast to get out on the break? Is it coaching philosophy? Personnel? Or laziness?
Now granted I can see see teams are making a lot of shots so there are fewer opportunities
That question's right on point. It starts on the defensive end by being aggressive (instead of a dart-board), then yes, committing to transition by default at every opportunity --- which means everyone busting ass to hit their lanes, and yes, pitching ahead.

We've actually had spells of doing it (and the results were predictably good), but only spells --- there were none last night that I saw. And speaking of last night, when I saw a perfect Secondary opportunity forming with Garcia the first Big down, and instead of sprinting to the block as taught, he friggin peels off? Good grief. That took all the pressure off the defense and immediately killed the break --- that just made my damn head hurt.
 
I would have been sure Roy had "Teaching the Carolina way" day during those grooming the next head coach seasons!

How do you hand pick a coach to groom and 18 games in and he hasn't gotten the fundamental concept of the head coach down yet when it comes to the Carolina way?
Speaking of flying right past you...
 
I agree with the reset. I don't think our ceiling is as high as you though Gary. Maybe I'm missing it, but we do not have any guys with even good ALL around skills. Each one seems to have a niche. I know that is okay for a few players but you need a few that are just flat out basketball players. Hope that makes sense.
 
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I would have been sure Roy had "Teaching the Carolina way" day during those grooming the next head coach seasons!

How do you hand pick a coach to groom and 18 games in and he hasn't gotten the fundamental concept of the head coach down yet when it comes to the Carolina way?
Do you see any difference in this team vs the last 2? I don’t.
 
Gary, you aren't just speaking, you are shouting, the truth. I find it difficult to believe that the
coaches aren't teaching the DES Carolina Basketball Philosophy. As you explained, we witness
examples of our successful standards of success occasionally . But a 100% player commitment to
these standards has slipped post-2017.
So here we are. Hopefully, these young men will remember why they chose to play here and
post some victories by playing as a team and not as a collection of talented individuals.
 
I [posted this after the UK fiasco:

"UK was either an absolutely horrific game plan by the staff or complete disregard/inability to execute it by the players - whichever it was does not bode well. I will admit I am spoiled by UNC basketball. I grew up watching Coach Smith and it seemed like the bigger the stage the better the Heels looked. While they obviously lost games they never looked overwhelmed or completely lost on the court. Heading into conference play I still do not see an identity for this team. Are they going to play 4 out and beat you from deep, are they going to play solid defense and score just enough to win, precision half court execution or use transition to wear down the other team?"

Approaching conf midway point and zero has changed. Still no identity and an intensity level that reminds me of elementary schoolers at recess. UNC can beat the teams who are average, but against a team that plays with some attitude and swagger they just fall apart. That tells me they have no confidence in the staff or their teammates. The NIT may look like the ACC Tournament, part II this year.
 
Gary, you aren't just speaking, you are shouting, the truth. I find it difficult to believe that the
coaches aren't teaching the DES Carolina Basketball Philosophy. As you explained, we witness
examples of our successful standards of success occasionally . But a 100% player commitment to
these standards has slipped post-2017.
So here we are. Hopefully, these young men will remember why they chose to play here and
post some victories by playing as a team and not as a collection of talented individuals.
And I know I’ve beaten this dead horse, but AAU and the time frame you are referring to explains a lot in my opinion. No team ball. Just a collection of talent.
Our problem is added to because of lack of coaching, because there are some good teams in college basketball that battle the same problems our team does.
 
100% agree. if we are going away from the carolina way then throw the bank at billy donovan or brad stevens otherwise lets get back to being carolina.
 
The issue is that we have ridden this family thing since the get-go. Meaning it has been ingrained in the players as they have come through. So, if you go outside the family, you run the risk of alienating the guys who have been beaten over the head with "family" since they stepped on campus. Think about that. Think about Jawad, who was asked by Bubba or whomever else what he thinks they should do. And Jawad (along with what I suppose is 70%?, 80%? of other former players) state that it should be from within the family and then you don't go that way? That's going to be a slap in the face to those guys that were (1) taught that the Carolina Family was everything and (2) asked for their opinion. How are they going to then feel about their Family environment? They'll feel it was a sham. And it could potentially impact their desire to stay close to the program.

We were damned if we did or damned if we didn't. It was a lose/lose situation. Maybe this had to happen.
 
The issue is that we have ridden this family thing since the get-go. Meaning it has been ingrained in the players as they have come through. So, if you go outside the family, you run the risk of alienating the guys who have been beaten over the head with "family" since they stepped on campus. Think about that. Think about Jawad, who was asked by Bubba or whomever else what he thinks they should do. And Jawad (along with what I suppose is 70%?, 80%? of other former players) state that it should be from within the family and then you don't go that way? That's going to be a slap in the face to those guys that were (1) taught that the Carolina Family was everything and (2) asked for their opinion. How are they going to then feel about their Family environment? They'll feel it was a sham. And it could potentially impact their desire to stay close to the program.

We were damned if we did or damned if we didn't. It was a lose/lose situation. Maybe this had to happen.
If that were to happen, meaning they walked away, then they were never really a family and certainly didn't understand what Dean was trying to build. He wanted to hire outside of the family instead of inside of it once before. His goal was for the family to be about the family, not about the coach. To be honest, if they are willing to walk away, then it shows they were/are part of the problem and it would be better for them to take their toxicity with them. What's that saying people here use? Something like we'll win with you or without you. Well, there's no reason we can't win without the walk on from the 1967 team.
 
The issue is that we have ridden this family thing since the get-go. Meaning it has been ingrained in the players as they have come through. So, if you go outside the family, you run the risk of alienating the guys who have been beaten over the head with "family" since they stepped on campus. Think about that. Think about Jawad, who was asked by Bubba or whomever else what he thinks they should do. And Jawad (along with what I suppose is 70%?, 80%? of other former players) state that it should be from within the family and then you don't go that way? That's going to be a slap in the face to those guys that were (1) taught that the Carolina Family was everything and (2) asked for their opinion. How are they going to then feel about their Family environment? They'll feel it was a sham. And it could potentially impact their desire to stay close to the program.

We were damned if we did or damned if we didn't. It was a lose/lose situation. Maybe this had to happen.
Bubba, asking Jawad the same Jawad that was ready to bail on the family when everyone was going to leave if Dougherty wasn't canned?
 
Bubba, asking Jawad the same Jawad that was ready to bail on the family when everyone was going to leave if Dougherty wasn't canned?
It’s not about Jawad. I just used his name as it had been mentioned here a few other times recently. It’s about player X (substitute any former Carolina player for player X). And I’m not even saying that I necessarily agree with letting that factor into the decision. But it certainly is something that the powers-that-be took into consideration. Like I said, we were in a really tough spot. We’ve built up the whole Carolina Family thing to what it is. I’m sure many were scared to look like frauds if they didn’t see it through. That’s why I said “maybe this had to happen”. Those that were completely sold on it being Family, might have to learn the hard way that it wasn’t the right choice. And even those of us who would have done it differently are along for the ride. But it is what it is. The choice has been made. Some here want to continue to belabor the point. There’s no sense in that.
 
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Why can't we do both?

juat don’t think we have the coaches from the Carolina tree that are young enough and experienced enough at a high level to do And not sure the play together and play smart tenets of the Carolina way are in line with todays modern basketball game.


Maybe GSD is correct and this was inevitable and just had to happen for us to move forward. Regardless just remembering Dean and his teams—it’s a little sad to see what we have become.
 
100% agree. if we are going away from the carolina way then throw the bank at billy donovan or brad stevens otherwise lets get back to being carolina.
That is not an option they are not leaving the top level.
 
juat don’t think we have the coaches from the Carolina tree that are young enough and experienced enough at a high level to do And not sure the play together and play smart tenets of the Carolina way are in line with todays modern basketball game.


Maybe GSD is correct and this was inevitable and just had to happen for us to move forward. Regardless just remembering Dean and his teams—it’s a little sad to see what we have become.
I think you missed the point. Why can’t we hire an outsider and still teach the Carolina way.
 
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Read the Carolina way—leadership lessons from a life in coaching. Dean smith wrote it with Gerald bell and John kilgo.

play smart play together and play hard. Coach smith goes into detail about what those things meant to him and some of his non famous players weigh in on how coach smith taught them these lessons and how they applied not only to basketball but to life.

my point was someone from outside the family tree may not get the level of sacrifice coach smith demanded of the individual when it came to the team. If we are going to turn Into a pro system thats all about matchups and one on one basketball—then get the best coach that teaches that system. Jmo
 
I think you missed the point. Why can’t we hire an outsider and still teach the Carolina way.

I'm not part of "the Family" so I can't say for sure. I've watched it for 40 years but the only way you can know about the Family is by being in the Family. Hence, an outsider isn't in the Family and can't know how to continue on Family traditions. That may just be a long way of saying, "it's whatever those inside the family say it is". And you may dislike that and disagree with its application, but you're railing against something you can't control. The power-that-be are tied to this Family thing. It is what it is.
 
I'm not part of "the Family" so I can't say for sure. I've watched it for 40 years but the only way you can know about the Family is by being in the Family. Hence, an outsider isn't in the Family and can't know how to continue on Family traditions. That may just be a long way of saying, "it's whatever those inside the family say it is". And you may dislike that and disagree with its application, but you're railing against something you can't control. The power-that-be are tied to this Family thing. It is what it is.
Lol I think I agree. All I know is a lot of families have step children and they can and do turn out to be an important part of that said family.
 
Adoption is an acceptable way to become Family! There is also a difference between Family = those who follow the Carolina Way AND support the beloved U & Insiders = fat cats who control the purse strings!
 
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