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[UNC71-00]

And those people would be imbeciles. Considering that the universe is far too large for the human mind to even comprehend, it would be perfectly reasonable to assume that one tiny planet in a tiny solar system would be able to sustain life.

Sigh. It has nothing to do with one random planet being able to sustain life and everything to do with the natural order and design. You can think that this is all happenstance if you are so inclined but most of us don't believe in exponential coincidences.

Of course if you believe it was all "designed" you have to explain why your loving God would put us on a planet where earthquakes, tsunamis and countless other natural disasters kill countless scores of innocent people including women and children.

There are some things which we don't understand. Belief in God does not mean that everything gets explained to you.

And if your logic is that the universe must have been designed because it is too complex to not have been designed, then we must assume that your "designer" is even more complex. But if the universe is too complex to not have been drsigned, then by the same logic, your designer must have been designed as well. This sends you down an endless rabbit hole of stupidity.

It is quite possible that our Maker was designed. I don't wonder about such things though.

There is nothing stupid about faith nor lack of faith. However when you try to equate faith to logic, it is only you who looks foolish. Yet again.

 

[uncboy10]

Sigh. It has nothing to do with one random planet being able to sustain life and everything to do with the natural order and design. You can think that this is all happenstance if you are so inclined but most of us don't believe in exponential coincidences.



There are some things which we don't understand. Belief in God does not mean that everything gets explained to you.



It is quite possible that our Maker was designed. I don't wonder about such things though.

There is nothing stupid about faith nor lack of faith. However when you try to equate faith to logic, it is only you who looks foolish. Yet again.

The natural order is in no way indicative of having a designer. The sheer level of chaos in our universe very clearly demonstrates exactly the opposite. On our own planet over 99% of the species who have ever lived are now extinct. Either your "designer" is very cruel and capricious, or very incompetent.

Again its an easy cop out to say you dont understand, while refusing to acknowledge any responsibility your "designer" would have to take for the shortcomings of his design. Your lack of understanding has already been clearly documented, and disqualifies any metaphysical claims you make about the natural order of the universe.

Faith is defined as believing in something without evidence. It is irreconcilable to logic, which is superior in every way. I apply logic to faith claims as a way of disproving them. I would never equate the two. As long as you accept the fact that you have no evidence to support your claims then we are fine. When you start trying to argue that the natural order is indicative of a designer then I will use logic to refute those claims.

 

[notashelbyfan]

Nothing you believe can be proved 100% just like what I believe so you have to have faith.

Can't make something from nothing in a place that doesn't exist how would you and your scientist explain that?

It had to start somewhere and there is not scientist in the world that can 100% prove his theory, it's not possable!

 

[UNC71-00]

The natural order is in no way indicative of having a designer. The sheer level of chaos in our universe very clearly demonstrates exactly the opposite. On our own planet over 99% of the species who have ever lived are now extinct. Either your "designer" is very cruel and capricious, or very incompetent.
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Or perhaps he establishes a framework and lets nature run its course.

I wouldn't be so arrogant as to presume that I believe God's emotions are similar to those of a human's. You can be as arrogant as you would like though, but I'm pretty sure you don't need anyone to remind you of that.

 

[UNC71-00]

Nothing you believe can be proved 100% just like what I believe so you have to have faith.

Can't make something from nothing in a place that doesn't exist how would you and your scientist explain that?

It had to start somewhere and there is not scientist in the world that can 100% prove his theory, it's not possable!

Exactly. If Boy could provide scientific evidence as to the origin of life or the force behind the big bang, his arguments would hold some merit. But alas...

 

[notashelbyfan]

If there was a big bang where was it who or what created the place for the big bang to happen?

Who or what created the one singular atom or what ever that started it or set it off!

The probability of what he is saying caused all this is the equivalent of a tornado going there a scrap pile in a junk yard and sitting a branded spotless dentless BMW at the front gate with the keys in it running for you to jump in a drive off!

 

[uncboy10]

Nothing you believe can be proved 100% just like what I believe so you have to have faith.

Can't make something from nothing in a place that doesn't exist how would you and your scientist explain that?

It had to start somewhere and there is not scientist in the world that can 100% prove his theory, it's not possable!

No, the evidence strongly supports the things I believe. That is not faith. Accepting that nothing can be proved 100% is a principle rule of logic. It doesn't mean that every possible positive argument or claim is faith based. That is totally flawed thinking.

And actually quantum physics has taught us that something can absolutely come from nothing. It defies human understanding, but we are very limited in our capacity to understand the complexity of the universe. Photons pop in and out of existence all the time with no explicable cause. So yes something can come out of nothing.

And we are discussing your positive claims about the metaphysical nature of the universe. You are just making the god of the gaps argument. Because science has not and completely explained the origins of the cosmos does not mean that there is a divine prime mover or designer. That is a logical fallacy. Not all claims are created equal, just because one theory has not be proven does not mean that yours is accurate or even realistically possible.

The stupid tornado blowing through a junkyard theory has already been exposed as absurd by Richard Dawkins. I cannot possibly refute as eloquently or as totally as he did so I'll simply refer you to his work

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Boeing_747_gambit

 

[notashelbyfan]

No, the evidence strongly supports the things I believe. That is not faith. Accepting that nothing can be proved 100% is a principle rule of logic. It doesn't mean that every possible positive argument or claim is faith based. That is totally flawed thinking.

And actually quantum physics has taught us that something can absolutely come from nothing. It defies human understanding, but we are very limited in our capacity to understand the complexity of the universe. Photons pop in and out of existence all the time with no explicable cause. So yes something can come out of nothing.

And we are discussing your positive claims about the metaphysical nature of the universe. You are just making the god of the gaps argument. Because science has not and completely explained the origins of the cosmos does not mean that there is a divine prime mover or designer. That is a logical fallacy. Not all claims are created equal, just because one theory has not be proven does not mean that yours is accurate or even realistically possible.

The stupid tornado blowing through a junkyard theory has already been exposed as absurd by Richard Dawkins. I cannot possibly refute as eloquently or as totally as he did so I'll simply refer you to his work

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Boeing_747_gambit

Dude if you dont think all that you just said don't take faith to believe you have lost it, you just told me that stuff can pop up from nothing and you know that because a scientist said so, nothing you are saying is a proven fact, they are all theories.

 

[uncboy10]

Dude if you dont think all that you just said don't take faith to believe you have lost it, you just told me that stuff can pop up from nothing and you know that because a scientist said so, nothing you are saying is a proven fact, they are all theories.

Yes photons can pop in and out of existence at the quantum level. This has been confirmed by repeatable quantum observation. It is as much a fact as the assertion that the Earth revolves around the sun.

 

[notashelbyfan]

Yes photons can pop in and out of existence at the quantum level. This has been confirmed by repeatable quantum observation. It is as much a fact as the assertion that the Earth revolves around the sun.

So they don't know why maybe it's a God!

 

[uncboy10]

So they don't know why maybe it's a God!

Almost certainly not. But if you're so simple minded, you're perfectly welcome to carry on believing that.

 

[notashelbyfan]

Almost certainly not. But if you're so simple minded, you're perfectly welcome to carry on believing that.

Ditto!

 

[heelmanwilm]

Yes photons can pop in and out of existence at the quantum level. This has been confirmed by repeatable quantum observation. It is as much a fact as the assertion that the Earth revolves around the sun.

And is just as roundly debunked as support for the universe arising from nothing.

 

[uncboy10]

And is just as roundly debunked as support for the universe arising from nothing.

Who is suggesting that the universe came from nothing? There is no model for the beginning of the universe that does not work without a god. But only one side of this argument is claiming to know something it cannot. The religious tell us they do indeed know exactly how the universe began. We say you cannot possibly know this. Especially not from a bronze age fairy tale.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

Photons arising from "nothing" (i.e., no "visible" matter) it is called particle annihilation. One example is Electron–positron annihilation:

Occurs when an electron (e−) and a positron (e+, the electron's antiparticle) collide. The result of the collision is the annihilation of the electron and positron, and the creation of gamma ray photons or, at higher energies, other particles:
e− + e+ → γ + γ
The process must satisfy a number of conservation laws, including:

• Conservation of electric charge. The net charge before and after is zero.
• Conservation of linear momentum and total energy. This forbids the creation of a single gamma ray. However, in quantum field theory this process is allowed; see examples of annihilation.
• Conservation of angular momentum.

As with any two charged objects, electrons and positrons may also interact with each other without annihilating, in general by elastic scattering.

 

[uncboy10]

lol Nuk figured out how to use google.

 

[notashelbyfan]

There is no model for the beginning of the universe that does not work without a god. But only one side of this argument is claiming to know something it cannot.

And your not like, I have said before you have got to have faith to believe what you are being told with out it nothing works.

We are talking about something that happened as they say trillions of years ago when no one was her to see it and yet you take what these scientist say as fact and therected is no way they could be wrong?

At least the part that I believe takes just as much faith as yours does but hey there was historical writings with eye witness accounts about what I believe, can you say that. It makes it pretty easy to believe that God created the heavens and the earth if you believe a man died was buried and rose from the dead 3 days later.

You have NOTHING but faith to base your side on I don't have to say that!

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

lol Nuk figured out how to use google.

I'm trying to dumb it down for you

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

And your not like, I have said before you have got to have faith to believe what you are being told with out it nothing works.

We are talking about something that happened as they say trillions of years ago when no one was her to see it and yet you take what these scientist say as fact and therected is no way they could be wrong?

At least the part that I believe takes just as much faith as yours does but hey there was historical writings with eye witness accounts about what I believe, can you say that. It makes it pretty easy to believe that God created the heavens and the earth if you believe a man died was buried and rose from the dead 3 days later.

You have NOTHING but faith to base your side on I don't have to say that!

I agree with you in much of this. And, I will reiterate for 'boy: It takes more faith to believe in nothing than it does to have faith in God.

 

[DeanFor President]

Well, in a way, people like him are jihadists themselves, with a different religious club card. I notice most of the people here, who claim to hate these radical Muslims, are often the same ones whose preferred remedy for "beating them" is to commit the same, or worse, acts of terror back toward THEM. They're seeing who can out-terrorize the other. It's a great show, actually.

What rampant stupidity. You should turn pro.

 

[DeanFor President]

I

I consider every religion to be a fairy tale

Like your intellect?

 

[notashelbyfan]

I think it's awesome that uncboy is about to celebrate the birth of my savior just like me, I'm pretty sure I have never celebrated the birth of any scientist!

What about Easter, another holiday the entire country practices, the getting up morning of my savior.

This secular country sure is nuts over the birth of Christ.

 

[heelmanwilm]

I think it's awesome that uncboy is about to celebrate the birth of my savior just like me, I'm pretty sure I have never celebrated the birth of any scientist!

What about Easter, another holiday the entire country practices, the getting up morning of my savior.

This secular country sure is nuts over the birth of Christ.

Well those are all pagan holidays that have been hi jacked by christianity. But its what they represent to each of us that counts i guess. I celebrate christmas as the birth of christ but i dont have a prob with those that dont. Just go ahead and go to work or do homework or whatever u normally do.

 

[heelmanwilm]

I agree with you in much of this. And, I will reiterate for 'boy: It takes more faith to believe in nothing than it does to have faith in God.

Exactly. In the absence of any other data, i employ the decision making process of "which option is harder to discredit or disprove" with the theory being the harder u have to work to not believe something the more likely its true and vice versa. Thats how i dismiss truthers, snake handlers, false flag claims, faith healers, state fans, and atheists.

 

[uncboy10]

I think it's awesome that uncboy is about to celebrate the birth of my savior just like me, I'm pretty sure I have never celebrated the birth of any scientist!

What about Easter, another holiday the entire country practices, the getting up morning of my savior.

This secular country sure is nuts over the birth of Christ.

A. The entire country doesn't celebrate Christmas or Easter. And both are pagan holidays. The entire Jesus myth was plagiarized from the myth of Horus, including his birthday.

B. People celebrating religious holidays does not make this a theocratic country. Our country was founded by a secular constitution that uses the word god exactly zero times. We have a clear separation of church and state that ensures religious dogma does not define public policy. Which is fortunate for people like me, because in the parts of the world where religion is in charge, non-believers are usually punished by death.

Again if you want to believe a hippy rabbi getting nailed to a tree absolves you of your sins and will exempt you from death so you can live forever, go right ahead. This is clearly wish thinking, and its also clearly nonsense. If you think it takes more faith to believe in astrophysical theories which can be demonstrated by science then you're either an idiot or using a playground argument of "I know you are but what am I." There is evidence to support the theory of the Big Bang, yet you cannot provide a single shred of existence for the evidence of a god, much less YOUR god.

 

[uncboy10]

Like your intellect?

My intellect is a fairy tale? Total failure on that one. Try again.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

A. The entire country doesn't celebrate Christmas or Easter. And both are pagan holidays. The entire Jesus myth was plagiarized from the myth of Horus, including his birthday.

B. People celebrating religious holidays does not make this a theocratic country. Our country was founded by a secular constitution that uses the word god exactly zero times. We have a clear separation of church and state that ensures religious dogma does not define public policy. Which is fortunate for people like me, because in the parts of the world where religion is in charge, non-believers are usually punished by death.

Again if you want to believe a hippy rabbi getting nailed to a tree absolves you of your sins and will exempt you from death so you can live forever, go right ahead. This is clearly wish thinking, and its also clearly nonsense. If you think it takes more faith to believe in astrophysical theories which can be demonstrated by science then you're either an idiot or using a playground argument of "I know you are but what am I." There is evidence to support the theory of the Big Bang, yet you cannot provide a single shred of existence for the evidence of a god, much less YOUR god.

Throughout your ramblings you still haven't proven that there isn't a god. You have successfully pointed out (correctly I might add) that no one here can prove that there is a god.

It's fine if you want to believe that everything in the universe materialized from particles popping in and out of existence randomly, without any influence from a "higher power". It's also fine if others want to believe that the holes in your theory are filled in by a "higher power" that caused the particles to pop in and out of existence.

You're really being a hypocrite here implying that everyone that believes in something that can't be proven is stupid, when you're doing the same thing yourself.

 

[DeanFor President]

My intellect is a fairy tale? Total failure on that one. Try again.

That's what I thought. Not even smart enough to realize it.

I guess that's bliss- to be really really stupid, in fact so stupid that you don't realize your stupidity.

 

[heelmanwilm]

i "get" atheism. I really do. I understand the logic behind it and i cant refute a lot of their talking points. Having said that i dnt agree with it and i have found the vast majority of atheists i've had contact with to be arrogant bigots who are as religious and dogmatic about their beliefs as any fundie and every bit as judgemental of those that disagree with them. So basically they're religious hypocrites ftmp.
One thing they cant deny and that boils their blood red hot is the fact that there are Hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of people with high iq's and world class educations that do believe in God.

 

[uncboy10]

Throughout your ramblings you still haven't proven that there isn't a god. You have successfully pointed out (correctly I might add) that no one here can prove that there is a god.

It's fine if you want to believe that everything in the universe materialized from particles popping in and out of existence randomly, without any influence from a "higher power". It's also fine if others want to believe that the holes in your theory are filled in by a "higher power" that caused the particles to pop in and out of existence.

You're really being a hypocrite here implying that everyone that believes in something that can't be proven is stupid, when you're doing the same thing yourself.

I can't disprove the existence of unicorns either. Doesn't mean there is any reasonable cause for believing they exist.

 

[BeezerHeel]

I can't disprove the existence of unicorns either. Doesn't mean there is any reasonable cause for believing they exist.

Sure you can bc there is absolutely no documents of such an animal that exists outside of known to be fictional books.

 

[uncboy10]

Sure you can bc there is absolutely no documents of such an animal that exists outside of known to be fictional books.

Yeah and the same could be said about god.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I can't disprove the existence of unicorns either. Doesn't mean there is any reasonable cause for believing they exist.

I'd assume you can't prove/disprove that there is life anywhere else in the whole wide universe either. But with the almost infinite space/locations that it could exist, its entirety possible, right? Do you believe there is life elsewhere? Or do you dismiss the possibility of it existing until you see definitive proof that it does?

 

[uncboy10]

I'd assume you can't prove/disprove that there is life anywhere else in the whole wide universe either. But with the almost infinite space/locations that it could exist, its entirety possible, right? Do you believe there is life elsewhere? Or do you dismiss the possibility of it existing until you see definitive proof that it does?

That analogy doesn't even remotely hold up. We know for a fact that life exists in the universe, because we're an example of it. We can observe countless other forms of life. We have evidence to prove there is life. So it is perfectly reasonable to assume there is some form of life somewhere else in our universe, as a matter of probability.

However, that same assumption does not apply at all to god(s). You cannot demonstrate the existence of even one god. There is zero evidence whatsoever to suggest the presence of a divine entity of any kind. So no matter how big the universe is, there is no reason to assume there is a god anywhere in it.

 

[BeezerHeel]

Yeah and the same could be said about god.

The Son of God?

 

[uncboy10]

The Son of God?

Yes obviously. Whether or not Jesus of Nazareth was ever a real man or not is completely irrelevant to the claim that he was the son of god. Personally, I'm perfectly willing to concede that he likely was a real man. But that doesn't even remotely come close to substantiating the claim that he was the son of god, born of a virgin, or came back from the dead. There have been no shortage of mythological characters who were based on people who actually existed.

 

[BeezerHeel]

We'll find out one day ... or we won't. Let's turn the page on such a topic.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

That analogy doesn't even remotely hold up. We know for a fact that life exists in the universe, because we're an example of it. We can observe countless other forms of life. We have evidence to prove there is life. So it is perfectly reasonable to assume there is some form of life somewhere else in our universe, as a matter of probability.

However, that same assumption does not apply at all to god(s). You cannot demonstrate the existence of even one god. There is zero evidence whatsoever to suggest the presence of a divine entity of any kind. So no matter how big the universe is, there is no reason to assume there is a god anywhere in it.

So you do believe there is life elsewhere in the universe. Do you assume that life is exactly how it is on Earth? Birds, Fish, Animals, Human-like life forms that have all the same properties/capabilities as us? Or is it possible that those life forms have significant differences from us (maybe they can move things without touching them, or change locations without physically moving, or even something more simple like living for a billion years). While telekinesis and teleportation seem farfetched - isn't it equally as farfetched to believe that life in some far off galaxy with immensely different enivronments operate in exactly the same way it does on Earth?

 

[theJRG1]

The most consistent thing about @uncboy10 is his dishonesty. Case in point:

A. The entire country doesn't celebrate Christmas or Easter. And both are pagan holidays. The entire Jesus myth was plagiarized from the myth of Horus, including his birthday.

"...all completely made up by Gerald Massey, a 19th century kookoo banana-bird self-taught Egyptologist who never provided the slightest shred of evidence for any of these claims, and was laughed out of the room by every serious Egyptologist on the planet."



More good stuff with Horus? Horus reads the internet. Where you'll get an excellent comparison between Moral Law and Ceremonial Law, and what the Bible commands of Christians and Israelites. (Psst...make sure you stick around in the video for Horus "petarding preacherman on his own hoistings" over the homosexualisms)

 

[uncboy10]

So you do believe there is life elsewhere in the universe. Do you assume that life is exactly how it is on Earth? Birds, Fish, Animals, Human-like life forms that have all the same properties/capabilities as us? Or is it possible that those life forms have significant differences from us (maybe they can move things without touching them, or change locations without physically moving, or even something more simple like living for a billion years). While telekinesis and teleportation seem farfetched - isn't it equally as farfetched to believe that life in some far off galaxy with immensely different enivronments operate in exactly the same way it does on Earth?

When did I say that I believed that life elsewhere would be the same as it is on Earth? I believe it would be evolved to suit its environment the same way life has evolved on Earth.